We\’re Ruled By The Insane!

Britain\’s biggest retailers are planning to ask the Government to extend opening times by four hours on the last Sunday before Christmas.

Shops – except for the very smallest – are allowed to open their tills for no more than six hours on a Sunday, a law which came into force in 1994 after a long struggle by the business community.

What in fuck is the government of 60 million people doing interfering in something as minor as shop opening hours for? We can handle that ourselves.

10 comments on “We\’re Ruled By The Insane!

  1. “What in fuck is the government of 60 million people doing interfering in something as minor as shop opening hours for?”

    Oh, probably just keeping up the pretence that we’re a nation, not a market, possessing shared values based in Christianity.

  2. My favourite politicians are Neville Chamberlain, Jimmy Carter and Sir John Major.

    Sir John ended this crappy afternoon closing of pubs and pushed through Sunday shopping. Plus houses were easily affordable when he was in charge. And so on.

  3. Martin, speak for yourself about the Christianity part, I’ve no problem with those that refuse to trade on a Sunday as a result of their religion, but don’t force it on me also. If those Christian sentiments were as strong as you suggest, they shouldn’t need legal enforcement to see the outcomes you so desire. I work during the week so Sunday represents a big opportunity for me to get stuff done, or rather it would if not for the impositions of your ilk.

  4. “I’ve no problem with those that refuse to trade on a Sunday as a result of their religion, but don’t force it on me also.”

    Sorry, Bub, it’s an evangelising faith. I’ll try and force it on you whether you like it or not. Otherwise I’m failing in my duty.

    ” If those Christian sentiments were as strong as you suggest, they shouldn’t need legal enforcement to see the outcomes you so desire.”

    I haven’t expressed a desire to see any particular outcomes. You have assumed that I have – your problem, not mine.

    “I work during the week”

    You want a medal?

    ” Sunday represents a big opportunity for me to get stuff done”

    And presumably Saturdays are for…what?

    “or rather it would if not for the impositions of your ilk.”

    Remind me how achingly tolerant you are the next time one of your ilk imposes themself on me.

  5. Martin, in response to your points

    “Sorry, Bub, it’s an evangelising faith. I’ll try and force it on you whether you like it or not. Otherwise I’m failing in my duty.”

    Don’t expect me to be grateful for you assuming my current belief system and behaviour is inadequate simply because it differs from yours.

    “I haven’t expressed a desire to see any particular outcomes. You have assumed that I have – your problem, not mine.”

    You defended the government’s policy towards Sunday hours on the basis of Christian principle, so am I wrong to assume that you hope for the outcome that this day becomes/remains a distinct day for rest and religious reflection rather than work, trade, etc? What other connection is there between Christianity and the Sabbath? Besides, there are legitimate arguments that it shouldn’t be on a Sunday at all.

    “You want a medal?”

    If you wouldn’t mind.

    “And presumably Saturdays are for…what?”

    Desperately trying to do all the fucking things I could spread over two days if it weren’t for evangelists.

    “Remind me how achingly tolerant you are the next time one of your ilk imposes themself on me.”

    I never said I was tolerant, I just let people alone to do their own thing is all. I’ll argue and offend, but very rarely seek to force. It’s in the latter that we differ.

  6. “Don’t expect me to be grateful for you assuming my current belief system and behaviour is inadequate simply because it differs from yours.”

    The ease with which your ‘tolerance’ slips into insolence and arrogance had already made that evident.

    “You defended the government’s policy towards Sunday hours on the basis of Christian principle, so am I wrong to assume that you hope for the outcome that this day becomes/remains a distinct day for rest and religious reflection rather than work, trade, etc?”

    No, you’re not. I’ve worked too many 11 hour Sunday call centre shifts speaking to lazy bastards who can’t be bothered phoning any other time.

    “Besides, there are legitimate arguments that it shouldn’t be on a Sunday at all.”

    I know this isn’t very Christian, but…WTF? Easter Sunday? You know, the day that the Resurrection and all that other irrational, inefficient stuff, like angels appearing in gardens and all, happened? Er, I was talking about Christianity. There isn’t any really any argument for being any day other than on a Sunday.

    Now, if you don’t feel it’s beneath you, kindly enlighten me as to what these other ‘perfectly legitimate’ arguments are. On the other hand, I’ve never read Hayek, and you boys don’t seem ever to have read anything else, so the arguments are probably in there.

    ““You want a medal?”

    If you wouldn’t mind.”

    Arrogance again – a very unappealing character trait.

    “Desperately trying to do all the fucking things I could spread over two days if it weren’t for evangelists.”

    Which presumably includes posting blog comments – most certainly not the most productive use of time ever invented. Never mind, I suppose you can’t have had much to do this weekend.

    “I never said I was tolerant, I just let people alone to do their own thing is all. I’ll argue and offend, but very rarely seek to force. It’s in the latter that we differ.”

    No, I don’t think so. You would force people to stay away from their families on what are commonly held to be days of rest for no reason other than that you want to be served. If that’s not seeking to force someone, I don’t know what is.

    Tim Almond,

    “Isn’t there something in Christianity about rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s?”

    Indeed there is. It’s the bit that appears just before “and render unto God that which is God’s”.

  7. Errr, Matthew, I was against the government legislating when businesses could open on a Sunday, not for the government legislating that businesses had to be open on a Sunday. Seeing as you’re keen on grossly misrepresenting my opinions, there isn’t much point in continuing to express them ergo last post here.

    As for when the Sabbath is, I recommend you read the wiki page here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_in_Christianity

    Much of it revolves around Jesus being a Jew and thus following the way he worshipped. I wasn’t advocating this interpretation, I was merely trying to point out that even within your faith group there are different points of view and that to impose yours on others through the law is going way way way too far.

  8. “Errr, Matthew,”

    Errr, Philip…I know we’re in the Biblical mood and all, but my name is ‘Martin Kelly’. ‘Matthew Kelly’ is the big beardy bloke who used to present ‘Stars In Their Eyes’.

    And I don’t have any mates called Mark, Luke, John or Da Vinci either.

    “I was against the government legislating when businesses could open on a Sunday, not for the government legislating that businesses had to be open on a Sunday. ”

    I have seen worms on hooks put up more convincing struggles.

    “Seeing as you’re keen on grossly misrepresenting my opinions, there isn’t much point in continuing to express them ergo last post here”

    Or as we say in the West of Scotland – “It’s ma’ baw – an’ ahm no’ playin’ any mair!”

    “Much of it revolves around Jesus being a Jew and thus following the way he worshipped.”

    Too heavy for me, chief.

    “I was merely trying to point out that even within your faith group there are different points of view”

    Indeed. We call many of them ‘heresies’.

    “and that to impose yours on others through the law is going way way way too far.”

    That’s your point of view – not one I share.

    And it’s a great big Arrivederci to Phil…

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