Vaguely interesting geek point

The computers in the office have just been upgraded, cleaned up and generally supported. Just in passing, the tech said that the EU Parliament will not allow anyone on the network to run Windows Vista. Everyone\’s on XP.

Not exactly a vote of confidence in the latest iteration of Wndows, eh?

18 comments on “Vaguely interesting geek point

  1. Probably means that Vista is excellent.

    Either that or they are still angry with microsoft, and want to impose another fine.

  2. Well, to defend the EC (for once) they’re definitely not the only organisation banning Vista, so is for example the company that I’m working for…

  3. An acquaintance of mine does some work at Microsoft in Reading – apparently very few users of Vista, almost everyone uses XP or Server2003

  4. It’s more complicated than that.

    Large organisations don’t like having stuff on their network other than what’s been tested and what’s supported. Not sure about the EU but a lot of large companies have a locked-down standard build that’s been configured, the idea being that the helpdesk can more easily support them. It’s more about bureaucracy than Vista.

    To defend Vista a little… Vista was poor when it first came out. The processors were too slow, memory was too expensive, some applications hadn’t been properly written in terms of permissions for locked-down desktops/User Activation Control, and developers hadn’t got used to building drivers in the new driver model.

    Most of these issues are now resolved. I know quite a few people running Vista who are happy with it.

  5. Hi

    Just a point of fact from someone who does actually work at Microsoft in the Reading office. I am not aware of a single person who uses Windows XP there. We all use Windows Vista and many of us are now running the beta version of Windows 7, which is great.

    Cheers

    James

  6. Crap, the first time in history I agree with the EU. Hoons!

    Tim, Vista _might_ be better than when it was released but frankly it does nothing of use which you can’t do under XP, and it _definitely_ uses more resource to achieve the same thing than either XP or Win7.

  7. Zorro,

    There are ways to do most of the things that Vista does in XP but you get them out of the box with Vista. For instance, disk partitioning is built in – you don’t need to have a copy of Disk Director.

    But I’m personally waiting for Windows 7 now.

  8. Tim,

    If you asked 1,000,000 retail users of Windows how many times they had the need to repartition their disks, the answer would be frighteningly close to zero. (or more likely, meh?). If that’s the best example of why XP users should “upgrade”, then frankly that’s an epic fail.

    Outside of the MS bubble, Vista is viewed as a disaster. When my dear old mum tells me “I don’t want Vista, I’ve heard it’s crap”, you know it must true.

  9. I run a network of around 50 PC’s. Vista will be installed over my dead body.

    Also, MS will have to try really hard to convince me that Windows 7 isn’t just Vista SP2.5. Every machine we buy, we always upgrade them to XP.

  10. Jason,

    No, it’s not the best example. It’s just one feature that happens to be useful to me (although I think that Acronis Disk Director is an excellent alternative for about £25 for XP). How about:-

    – built in photo organiser
    – windows sidebars
    – enhanced version of media center
    – file shadow copies
    – new mail application
    – user activation control
    – new version of remote desktop which supports program-specific remote access
    – windows defender
    – parental controls
    – encrypted disk volumes
    – a whole load of internal security protection to prevent things like buffer overflows, greater application isolation, data execution protection, a new driver framework to prevent kernel crashes.

    The biggest thing about Vista is actually that last point – Microsoft did a lot of stuff that the public don’t see, and that will be carried forward into Windows 7.

    And yes, it’s viewed as a disaster. And there’s a lot of noise on the internet amplified by Mac fanboys about its problems, but personally, I know far more people who are satisfied with Vista than people who wanted to go back to XP.

  11. I run a small network of 20 computers. We use both XP and Vista and despise them about equally.

    If the hardware were not so enormously powerful…

    How can anyone could write and sell such bad code and incomprehensible, jargon and buzz word laden documentation is a mystery to me.

  12. Vista is an appallingly bad example of engineering. For a CTO to recommend installing it in a commercial environment would be to leave himself open to claims that he was in breach of his fiduciary duty. XP is just routinely crap. Vista takes Microsoft ineptness to a whole, sublime new plane. Many organisations (mine included) have a a no-Vista policy.

    If it doesn’t have a Unix or Unix-like kernel, then it’s not getting on my desktop.

  13. Vista is slow, hungry, awkward, unfamiliar, and doesn’t do anything people need, that XP doesn’t do quicker and cheaper.

    But banning it from the network seems odd. It definitely isn’t less secure or more prone to malware than XP is. I guess Tim’s got the right idea, and this is a support thing.

    As for Microsoft, well they’ve had a policy for ages that they eat their own dogfood – ever since a few years ago it become public that they were running their line-of-business accounts on AS/400’s because – it had to be assumed – they themselves did not trust the then-current version of SQL Server.

    Actually Windows Server 2008 with the Vista desktop experience add-on is not bad at all, as long as you’ve got some seriously potent hardware to run it on – which I don’t expect will be a problem for the Microsofties.

  14. Mr. Gillies undoubtedly has a beard and sandals.

    Such people can safely be ignored.

    (Removes tongue from cheek; ducks under desk)

  15. I have both a beard and wear sandals, ’tis true. Software engineers such as I can, of course, be safely ignored until you want someone to develop a government IT project.

    And you do know that MacOS X is based on BSD Unix, don’t you? Hardly the exclusive domain of hardcore nerds.

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