Oh dear Polly

Rather shot yourself in the foot again.

But it\’s also a rubbish figure concocting a fallacious average. You can\’t average out the two sectors because there are five times more unskilled workers in the private sector – most manual jobs have been contracted out from the public sector. The state sector is far more highly skilled: ONS figures show only 8.6% of people in the private sector are in professional grades, against nearly a quarter in the public sector. Comparing grade for grade, they are paid 70p an hour less for working for the state.

OK, arguendo, we\’ll accept this. We cannot simply compare private sector and public sector wages. Those averages we get from the ONS for mean and median pay in public and private sectors. For they are different people, doing different jobs, with different levels of responsibility, training, working hours and all the rest.

Fine. That also means that we cannot take those same means and medians from the ONS on the differences between male and female wages because they are different people, doing different jobs, with different levels of responsibility, training, working hours and all the rest. Thus the squealing about the gender pay gap is based upon faulty figures.

That really is something of a problem then, isn\’t it? Either we acept the argument that public and private sector workers are not some homogenous lump, in which case we must do the same with men and women, or we use the figures that do treat them as a homogenous lump in which case we must do the same for public and private sector workers.

As the man said, comment is free but facts are sacred: as is logic.

5 comments on “Oh dear Polly

  1. “The state sector is far more highly skilled: ONS figures show only 8.6% of people in the private sector are in professional grades, against nearly a quarter in the public sector.”

    No, that doesn’t mean the public sector are more skilled; it means they have cushier jobs.

  2. Oh ta Tim I read that article helpless with mirth . Poor old Polly do you think she really believes what she writes. Public Sector salaries have out stripped private sector by a factor of two over the last ten years , the multiplication of grades and promotions is evidence of a rotting carcass of chief stuffed waste not under reward .
    You would not believe the way this works either ….don`t get me started is all I can say.

    When I think how life has been in my industry which (unnoticed) has been subject to upheaval redundancy risk and ferocious competition( This is London Market surplus Insurance Broking / Freedom of provision of services) , the idea that she thinks teacher who hangs around and gets grand poo bah or two is comparable is breath taking.

    In the tribe some people paint the cave look after the children and sing songs , other have to go out and ankle the wooly mammoth go extinct so we can all eat. We are paying the cave painters more than the hunters and the hunters sometimes don’t come back. I bet they had grades of cave painter as well

    Rage rage rage

  3. Just because people in the public sector have more letters after their names doesn’t make them any more intelligent, or indeed skilled. It just means they sat on their arses for 3 years at some ex-polytechnic spouting a load of sociology bollocks. Give me a private sector skilled manual worker any day. You’d get a better standard of conversation and much more productive work done.

  4. If Armageddon hit, which group of people would you rather be marooned with: a randomly-selected group of ‘unskilled’ private sector workers or Polly’s gang of cod-intellectual drones? The zombies would be eating Polly’s duodenum while my bunch would be improvising weapons and formulating tactics.

    STATEMENT: a Polly Toynbee cannot exist in any meaningful sense* in a society in which her ideas, if pursued to their ultimate logical conclusion, were ultimately brought about.

    * which is to state: in her present incarnation, and not a) running, terrified, for her life; b) locked in a loony-bin; c) gunned down outside her £2 million house, but d) sitting like a smug, wrinkly, profoundly deluded Gramscian tosspot in a pile of accumulated mental shit and not having the nose to smell when she’d camped out in a pile of ordure. Good Lord, you stupid raddled old bag: the Wall came down 20 years ago and it didn’t just crush the huge toothy bears on the other side. The pathetic squeaky bunnies of soft-Marxism lay crushed and bleeding in the rubble. Give it up. The driving factor behind Socialism’s failure was, as P. J. O’Rourke (PBUH) said, no-one wanted to buy Bulgarian shoes. But the driving factor behind the desuetude of your brand of soapy authoritarianism has its fons et origo in the same fatal conceit: that people like you (necessarily limited in numbers) are somehow, by the gift of some epiphanic enlightenment, qualified to rule me, and everyone else, necessarily in the majority.

    FUCK OFF.

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