A question for Tanya Gold

OK, so this is a horribly laid out table, sorry.

Table 1: Gender Pay Gap in the European Union
Comparable Structure of Earnings Survey National sources
2002 2006 2007 2008 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
EU27 : 17.7 17.6 18.0 16 16 16s 15 15 15 15s
EU15 : : : : 16 16 16 16s 15rs 15s :
BE : 9.5 9.1 9.0 13 12 : : 6b 7 7p
BG 18.9 12.4 12.4 13.6 : 22r 21r 18r 16r 15r 14
CZ 22.1 23.4 23.6 26.2 22 20 19 19 19 19 18
EGGE – European Network of Experts on Employment and Gender Equality issues–
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DK : 17.6 17.7 : 15 15 18b 18 17 18 17
DE : 22.7 23.0 23.2 21 21 22b 23 23 22 22
EE : 30.3 30.3 : 25 24 24 24 24 25 :
IE 15.1 17.2 17.1 : 19 17 : 14b 11p 9p 9
EL 25.5 20.7 21.5 22.0 15 18 17 11b 10 9p 10
ES 20.2 17.9 17.1 17.1p 15 17 21b 18 15 13p 13
FR : 15.4 16.9 19.2p 13 14 13 12b 12 12 11p
IT : 4.4 5.1 4.9 6 6 : : 7p 9 :
CY 22.5 21.8 23.1 21.6p 26 26 25 25 25 25 24p
LV : 15.1 15.4 13.4 20 16 16 16 14br 16r 16
LT 13.2 17.1 20.0 21.6 16 16 16 17 16 15 16
LU : 10.7 12.5 12.4 15 16 17 15 14 14 14
HU 19.1 14.4 16.3 17.5 21 20 16 12r 14r 11 11
MT : 5.2 2.4 9.2 11 9 6 4 4 4 3
NL 18.7 23.6 23.6 : 21 19 19 18 19 18 :
AT : 25.5 25.5 25.5 20 20 : 17b 18 18 20
PL 7.5 7.5 7.5 9.8 : 12 11 11 10 10 12
PT : 8.4 8.3 9.2 8 10 8 9 5b 9 8p
RO 16 7.8 12.7 9.0 17 18 17 18 14b 13 10
SI 6.1 8 8.3 8.5 12 11 9 7p 8 8 8p
SK 27.7 25.8 23.6 20.9 22 23 27 23 24 24 22
FI : 21.3 20.0 20.0 17 17 20b 20 20 20 20
SE : 16.5 17.9 17.1 18 18 17 16 17 16 16
UK 27.3 24.3 21.1 21.4 21 21 23b 22 22 16r 21
Note: 1) Difference between men\’s and women\’s average gross hourly earnings as a percentage of men\’s average gross hourly
earnings (for paid employees).
2) b=break in series; p=provisional value; r= revised value; s=eurostat estimate; : = not available
Source CEC 2009c; table 18M2; Eurostat 2010

But with a bit of effort it is understandable. Now, a question for Tanya Gold about her recent Guardian piece.

The pay gap in Scandinavia is the lowest in the world though occupational segregation is still a problem.

Sorry, you what?

How can you pull out of those figures the idea that the Scandanavian figures are lower than Portugal, Italy, Malta?

7 comments on “A question for Tanya Gold

  1. Albert Einstein is supposed to have said (although it appears to be contested whether he really did)

    “If the facts don’t fit the theory change the facts”

    The modern left doesn’t even seem to want to do that though, instead they just ignore the facts

  2. Look, EVERYBODY (ie the Guardian and the BBC) knows the Scandinavian countries are egalitarian paradises, we don’t need to bother with statistics! (Especially if they don’t agree with us…………).

  3. Off topic I know but sort of relevant to Jim’s post above.
    Does anyone know what the CiF moderation policy is?
    I saw a comment on one of their threads yesterday. Witty, amusing, clever, certainly devastating criticism of the article commented on but in no way offensive unless to the sensitivities of its author & definitely on topic. Later went back to find it with a view to saving a copy & it’d vanished to be replaced by “This comment has been removed by a moderator. Replies may also be deleted.”
    Do they really delete things that give the weak hearted the vapours? I can sort of understand the moderation policy over at House of Murph because he doesn’t like folk playing in his personal sandpit but a national daily?

  4. @Pete: I don’t know the answer to your question but I think the mere fact that there is such censorship at the Guardian is very revealing.

    For decades the liberal-left have had an easy ride. They have had the BBC to promote their ideas unquestioned, they have newspapers that support them too. The media has a general liberal bias. Anyone who purveys majority, or even large minority, views that they disagree with will be ruthlessly targeted as ‘populist’, ‘far rightwing’, ‘fascist’, ‘rascist’, ‘sexist’ etc etc. Such that the mainstream public discourse virtually NEVER confronts the Left. All political problems seem to be approached from the view that the State isn’t doing enough, or paying enough, and should do more.

    Thus the internet comes as a great shock to these liberal commentators. Suddenly there are reams of people disagreeing with their articles. Robustly criticising their views, and debating facts, theories, history. All these people existed before the internet but had no way of confronting the Left, other than to enter politics, and who in their right mind wants to do that?

    The reaction is disbelief. These people MUST be paid emissaries of shadowy cigar chomping evil capitalists. We KNOW we’re right, EVERYONE agrees with us!! So we have every right to delete such obvious non genuine views.

    It is the very thin end of the wedge that the concept ‘The ends justifies the means’ allows. And we know where that ends up.

  5. So why not just format it as a bloody table? Doesn’t your blogging software let you do that? If so, it’s not fit for purpose. Or put the file in CSV and provide a link.

    Oh, and the Hellograph can be almost as bad as the Dragunia. Their Disqus-based comments systems is miles ahead of Anmerkung Macht Frei, but the moderators still wield their blue pencil with a heavy hand.

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