Any graduate students teaching at the LSE out there?

Is it possible to get those who know to confirm this about pay rates?

Based on the information published by the university so far, Tim Leunig, chief economist with the thinktank Centreforum, calculates that the New College of the Humanities could expect to pay its academics £75 for a one-to-one tutorial and £250 for a lecture.

But Leunig said: \”I am pretty sure LSE pays graduate students more than this to act as class teachers. So no, the economics don\’t seem to me to add up.\”

I have to say that I don\’t think that the LSE does pay those sorts of rates.

Let us take a reasonable teaching load. 15 hours a week. At £75 an hour we\’re talking £1,125 a week. OK, the academic year isn\’t all that long, perhaps 30 weeks? So £34k ish for a reasonable teaching load.

According to the LSE recruitment website, that\’s slap bang in the middle of what they pay LSE  Fellows.

No, I\’m not quite sure that that means but I doubt very much that \”graduate student\” and \”Fellow\” are quite the same thing.

And if we try 10 hours a week of lecturing (again, not an excessive workload, that\’s two one hour lectures per working day) for 30 weeks a year then…..£75,000 is more than a full professor gets.

But I know there are at least two current LSE graduate students who read this blog (at least occasionally).

Anyone care to report what the actual rates on offer to graduate students for taking a class or giving a lecture are?

10 comments on “Any graduate students teaching at the LSE out there?

  1. “…could expect to pay its academics £75 for a one-to-one tutorial”: a good deal more than many of the Cambridge colleges pay.

  2. Hrothgar, that’s actually £57.45 per hour’s teaching (£4,596, 80 hours teaching).

    The rest of the time is preparation, admin, marking etc., which all has to be paid for.

    If you pay for every hour worked, the average comes down to around £15 per hour. But if you’re only paying for the actual classroom hour, or calculating the cost per classroom hour (which is the only hour that directly earns money for the college), then that’s £57.

    Which is less than the £75 he says they can afford for a tutorial, but not much less.

    Having said that, we don’t know if any of these figures are accurate. I don’t know where Centreforum got their £75 from, and the LSE’s figures may be heavily padded (3 hours of non-teaching time for each hour of teaching seems very generous, but I think it’s typical for an ‘old’ university; a ‘new’ one would be more like 1:1).

    It could be that the New College has a radically new model (there’s certainly a lot of middle-management fat to be cut out of most universities), in which case perhaps they could afford to pay more than Centreforum calculated.

    But on the numbers we’ve been given, that’s not generous pay.

  3. Glasgow pay £60 for a 2 hour lecture. And then generally buy me a beer.

    The other universities I lecture at just do the beer (and travel expenses.)

  4. Indeed, I did not qualify that the £15/hour is not per hour of actual contact time.

    In my experience (teaching at two old universities), 3 hours of non-teaching time for every hour of classroom time is about right, marking circa 10-20 papers per hour long class, plus prep, plus exam marking. Sometimes it can be considerably more. I agree it is probably far less for new universities.

  5. I read Leunig’s figure and it is slightly difficult to credit.

    That said, I’m struggling to swallow Hrothgar’s! Taking the sample contract, at York, this would pay roughly the following:

    80hrs Grade 5 teaching @ £26.86/hr = £2,148.80
    80hrs marking @ £8.75/hr = £700.00
    Total = £2,848.80
    (Some departments negotiate a bit on the basis of the HR figures linked below, so it’s not exact.)

    http://www.york.ac.uk/admin/hr/managers/casual_workers/rate-of-pay-teaching.htm
    http://www.york.ac.uk/admin/hr/resources/pay_scales/hourly_rates/

    Two possibilities. One: London weighting. But can this account for a difference of more than 50%? Two: this may be for a ‘teaching fellowship’ graduate student, who basically has to teach for their stipend.

    Ok, three: York’s HR and management are proletarian-oppressing money-grubbers of the first order. That is as may be, but all the rates for comparator institutions outside London seem very similar.

    So I’m no further on in understanding (a) how LSE can afford such a high rate, or (b) how NCHum won’t go bankrupt very quickly.

  6. To teach actual classes, rather than be a teaching assistant at my old place, you needed a PhD and to be faculty. TA’s like me got something risible like £12/hour, classroom time for faculty as more like £26/hour. This was nearly 15 years ago, so numbers will have changed quite a bit.

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