Polly on gender equality

Women earn less, own less, have less secure jobs, with three times more men than women earning in the top 10%.

Not quite true, the wealth distribution tips female: all those widows inheriting you see?

But more importantly, as every damn advertiser in the land knows, women control some 80% of the spending. Because, and I know this is an amazing insight, the standard human unit is the family. In a number of gloriously different forms, agreed, not rigidly bound by gender, permanence or role. But we do tend to, just quite naturally (it\’s this being mammals thing, see?) meet up, settle down and share out the roles of production and deciding upon consumption.

The pay gap has narrowed annually for a generation, though women still earn 15.5% less than men.

And Polly is still using the wrong numbers. Here\’s the actual numbers.

For full timers it\’s under 10% now. For part timers women earn more than men.

14 comments on “Polly on gender equality

  1. From now on my business will hire only women. With a 15.5% saving on payroll costs, my company will demolish the competition and I will reap vast profits. Or at least that’s the logical conclusion of Polly’s argument.

  2. @AndrewM: well I hope your business isn’t in construction, or the oil industry, or farming, or fishery, or heavy engineering, or waste disposal, or car maintenance, or any one of the 1001 business sectors which are dirty, smelly, dangerous and/or physical hard work. You may find a lack of female applicants…………

  3. I work, she spends

    That’s marriage, and if women are not married, then they are less likely to be losing out due to sprogs.

    Why do lefties always focus on money. For many women who feel they have hit a glass ceiling, I am sure that they are focused just as much on the status of reaching that which seems out of their grasp.

  4. Perhaps the following would help to explain why it’s right for there to be a gender pay gap .
    It’s a few points taken from a Labour Force Survey done by the Health and Safety Executive, way back in 2000 but I don’t think much will have changed.
    (i) Men have a substantially higher rate of workplace injury than women. But men face around 20% higher relative risk of all workplace injury not explained by job characteristics. Men also face a higher risk of reportable injury.

    (ii) The statistics of RIDDOR show that 95-98 % of fatalities are to men and that the rate of fatal injury is nearly 80 times higher in men than women.

    RIDDOR = Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations 1995.

  5. Women show a strong preference to pair up with men more successful than themselves.
    Women moan that men are more successful than themselves.
    Women’s logic.

    Polly, put the kettle on, love.

  6. @Serf: ‘Why do lefties always focus on money.’

    Something that has always bemused me. Left-wing people are obsessed with money, more so (in my experience) than poorer right-wing people – and yet the right wing are accused of ‘greed’.

    They are more conservative than us, they are more obsessed with race than us, they are more sexist than us – how come we’re the ‘nasty’ ones?

  7. @ Tim, even the figures to which you link do not tell the whole story and explain all of it. There are differences due to the different mix of careers chosen by men and women. Men opt for jobs with higher pay while women opt for lower-paid ones that give them a better “work-life balance” in terms of shorter and/or flexible working hours, less stress, less danger, less working outdoors in rain, snow, hail or, (worst in my opinion) sleet. The famous or infamous Cammell Laird case arose when the premium paid to shipyard workers for working outside in winter was consolidated into basic pay and a female cook (who never had to go out in the rain or snow) sued for equal pay because her nominal pay was then lower – her *effective* hourly rate was still higher than men doing equally skilled work because her regular breaks were treated as working time!
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  8. @ Tim, even the figures to which you link do not tell the whole story and explain all of it. There are differences due to the different mix of careers chosen by men and women. Men opt for jobs with higher pay while women opt for lower-paid ones that give them a better “work-life balance” in terms of shorter and/or flexible working hours, less stress, less danger, less working outdoors in rain, snow, hail or, (worst in my opinion) sleet. The famous or infamous Cammell Laird case arose when the premium paid to shipyard workers for working outside in winter was consolidated into basic pay and a female cook (who never had to go out in the rain or snow) sued for equal pay because her nominal pay was then lower – her *effective* hourly rate was still higher than men doing equally skilled work because her regular breaks were treated as working time!
    Once you adjust for men’s longer hours, greater average experience in their job (most women in their forties and fifties have less total work experience than men of the same age and, on average, significantly less in their own job), higher qualifications (still true for the workforce as a whole but not for the youngest cohort) as well as the job mix, even ignoring the higher cost of women’s DB pensions it is clear that the crude differential is *too low*. It should be higher but the higher pay rates in the public where the majority of employees are female distorts the average.

  9. @Interested
    ” Left-wing people are obsessed with money, ..”
    Not quite true. They’re obsessed with other peoples money, and how they can get their hands on it.

  10. The mentioned corrections that need to apply (actually you only need to compare men and women doing the same job with similar qualifications/experience balance) will not be applied when there is a political point to be made. The well-known differences, on average, between what jobs, how many hours and so on women prefer compared to men are confounders that largely work in one direction, so it’s convenient for the pushers of the sex pay gap to ignore them, or even do downright fraudulent things by comparing part-time women against full-time men.

    The issue was entirely solved by legislation decades ago prohibiting direct sex discrimination. Either you are in a job on a pay scale, in which your salary is determined by some predetermined scale for the job plus years of experience (in which it is rightly illegal to discriminate on the basis of sex), or you negotiate your salary in which case it is your own lookout. In the latter position, there is an element of trading off salary for security – ultimately that is what all salaried people do – accept a lower income than they could get freelance but in doing so get someone else to do the tedious overhead stuff and have security of income during the fallow periods. It’s a jolly good idea not to be the most expensive person in the office when the cuts come. No surprise that on average women will settle for less pay and coupled with that, lower risk, than men.

  11. Serf,

    Why do lefties always focus on money. For many women who feel they have hit a glass ceiling, I am sure that they are focused just as much on the status of reaching that which seems out of their grasp.

    My own observation is that the women that moan most about the “glass ceiling” are pretty lacking in talent, but have an exaggerated sense of worth.

    I’ve met a few sexist pigs in my time, but most people in business just want to have the best people working for them, regardless of melanin, gonads or gayness, because a good team working for you means you have an easy life. The “old boy network” is irrational.

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