Sums the Milipede up nicely

Little more than one generation off the boat, never done an honest day’s work in his life, and on the strength of having attended a comprehensive school our lad’s invoking the one nation paean.

44 comments on “Sums the Milipede up nicely

  1. One Nation? He is faking it. Whatever else you can say about this odious little toad, he has not rejected his Father or his Father’s legacy.

    PaulB – “Racist crap.”

    Ooh. Double plus ungood thinkcrime! Do tell.

  2. Any racist crap is in the tacit admission of his Jewish ancestry, never, I believe, previously referred to by either brother in the political arena, and certainly not by David when in the FCO, to link himself with Disraeli, who as a politician would have eaten Ed for breakfast. A small-minded and petty action by a small-minded and petty man.

  3. I wouldn’t describe Milliband as small-minded and petty. That’s much more the preserve of Cameron and Osborne.

  4. Thus opines Arnald
    Spokesperson for the minimal intellect community.
    Careful. We’re straying into his field of expertise, here

  5. bis

    Yeah, a bit like having a fantasy political fight between Disraeli and Miliband. Top intellectualism. And look at So Fucked For Tosspottery and his fancy lines! Cor I feel like midget amongst Titans, here.

    Twat.

  6. @PaulB ‘Racist crap.’

    Hardly, you cunt.

    It was Millionaireband who raised this ‘my family haven’t been sitting around under oak trees for 500 years’ bullshit, and that – the fact that he is from a non-indigenous family – is the only possible part of the above comment which might conceivably be ‘racist’, even if one were to stretch the definition of racist to include ‘anyone who accurately describes another person as not being from an indigenous family’.

    The rest of it – that he hasn’t ever done a decent day’s work in his life – is mere fact, not crap.

    But then you’re a banker, I believe – so perhaps you’re more sensitive than some to allegations of never having done a decent day’s work in a life.

  7. Anyone else notice that neither Ed Balls or Ed Milliband mentioned a single thing that could possibly be from the Ritchie playbook.

    Not a peep about the tax gap, tax havens, aggressive tax avoidance, off shoring, HMRC resources, Hartnet, Goldman Sachs being “let off” tax…

  8. Any racist crap is in the tacit admission of his Jewish ancestry,

    Tacit? Miliband was explicit.

    “Both of my parents’ came to Britain as immigrants, Jewish refugees from the Nazis. I know I would not be standing on this stage today without the compassion and tolerance of our great country. Great Britain.”

    In what way is that racist? Is it an expression of prejudice against Jews or non-Jews?

  9. @Arnald ‘What is an indigenous family?’

    I suggest you asked Ed Millionaireband. He’s the one who’s bragging about not being from these parts.

    I ought to say, for the avoidance of doubt, that I could not care two tits where you are from, or what your name is, or what colour your skin is, or how much foreskin you possess, or whether one generation ago, or 10, your forefathers lived elsewhere.

    In a previous life, I had the pleasure and privilege of serving with men of every conceivable hue and about three dozen nationalities, and I judged them only on how they acted. Most were not found wanting. Most of the few who were were white, and from British stock going back a number of generations.

    This is the only metric by which to judge anyone, in my submission.

    PaulB is a cunt because of his reflexive grabbing of the ‘racist’ card.

  10. Miliband wasn’t bragging, he was praising Britain for its “compassion and tolerance”.

    I call racism when I see it, which is seldom. If you can suggest a non-racist construction of “little more than one generation off the boat” please go ahead. But leave female anatomy out of it.

  11. Arnald

    Haven’t seen you round here for a while- I thought matters more urgent had your attention. If they did, any chance you could get back to them?

    Thanks in advance!

  12. Interested

    As an amusing but insulting monicker, is “Millionaireband” worse, as good as, or better than “Tony Bliar” or “ZanuLiebour”?

  13. JV
    Tsk…As mentioned elsewhere, I best keep taking those pills.

    Hey, Knitting_Pattern, Shinsei67 spotted

    “Not a peep about the tax gap, tax havens, aggressive tax avoidance, off shoring, HMRC resources, Hartnet, Goldman Sachs being “let off” tax…”

    Kind of puts your repeated claims that Murphy will be shooting all our children at dawn, huh? Why the paranoia?

  14. Is there a non-racist reason for thinking that being a second generation immigrant somehow disqualifies you from, or means you’ve got a cheek, or whatever, “invoking the one nation paean”?

    Would any (non-racist) body blink, for example, if a second generation immigrant to the USA came over all patriotic? Happens all the time.

    the only non-racist reason I can think of is that the writer is just an idiot and mistakenly thinks that being able to invoke the one nation paean has something to do with ones ancestors having been in the country for sufficiently long, for some reason I can’t fathom.

    But Tim cites it approvingly so perhaps he can explain.
    [I don’t really see what never having done an honest day’s work in his life has to do with the one nation stuff either, but there you go]

  15. If was was to write “one generation off the boat and he’s claiming to be one of us” that would clearly be racist unless you had some other reason for thinking you can’t be one of us until some arbitrary number of generations have passed since your ancestors first turned up on these shores.

    My grandparents immigrated from Belgium just before WW1, am I allowed to feel like I’m part of the British nation yet?

  16. Um, if I emigrated to Jamaica, and made comments to the locals about how I hadn’t been sitting around under a palm tree for 500 years, would that be considered reasonable political discourse?

  17. Van_Patten // Oct 3, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    “Arnald

    Haven’t seen you round here for a while- I thought matters more urgent had your attention.”

    The thought has occurred, in Arnald we could be looking at a future leader of the Labour Party* here. Maybe not the next but the next but one. He would be eminently qualified.

    Could he have been busy preparing his challenge? Should we be more respectful?

    *or Conservative party for that matter, the two becoming indistinguishable.

  18. Oh, yes. I do appreciate he’s not actually a UK resident but what the hell. If one, a generation off the boat, is an advantage another yet to find a boat should be a shoo in.

  19. Arnald

    Great to see you back here! It’s always good to know the uninformed are seeking enlightenment. Good for you Tim hasn’t adopted your sensei’s attitude to ‘offensive comments’, right?

    I actually thought it was not a bad speech -a touch too long, but it came across well! As for policies influenced by Murphy- reinstating the 50% Tax Rate, a Tax on bankers bonuses and a cap on management fees for Private pensions seems to be evidence of hs influence. The ‘shooting at dawn’ might take a while – also I’d expect you, as a self-confessed ‘radical’ to be about five groups in front of me in the queue for the fring squad. Wouldn’t be much consolation!

  20. Um, if I emigrated to Jamaica, and made comments to the locals about how I hadn’t been sitting around under a palm tree for 500 years, would that be considered reasonable political discourse?

    I missed the oak tree bit. Not sure how to take it. Does seem a bit off:

    My conviction is rooted in my family’s story, a story that starts 1,000 miles from here, because the Miliband’s haven’t sat under the same oak tree for the last five hundred years.

    (Labour List’s apostrophe, not mine)

  21. Bloke in Spain

    The thought had occurred to me – he (Arnald) has the right combination of self- delusion and self- righteousness that would make him a perfect fit!

  22. @PaulB ‘ If you can suggest a non-racist construction of “little more than one generation off the boat” please go ahead.’

    Well, the Oxford Dictionary defines racism as:

    ‘the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races’

    There is no way, outside a 6th form common room, in which this guy’s comment about EM being ‘little more than one generation off the boat’ implies anything, whatsoever, about his race, or any other race, be it their inferiority, superiority, or otherwise.

    Ergo, it is not ‘racist’.

    But you *are* a cunt.

  23. Interested,

    PaulB might be wrong to think it racism, perhaps it’s “nationalism” instead, a close cousin. But PaulB being wrong does not make him a cunt. However the way you choose to conduct yourself in these comments makes your nature plain to all.

  24. Luis Enrique

    Whilst I agree that the lack of etiquette in the posts does the man a disservice , I’m not sure nationalism is a ‘close cousin’ to racism! That’s almost Delorsian in its Europhilia!

  25. Luis, fuck off. I find bullshit accusations of racism far more offensive than the word ‘cunt’.

  26. Van Patten,

    we’re not talking about somebody who wants to leave the EU, we’re talking about somebody who thinks a second generation immigrant has no business calling themselves one of us, not because he’s racist but because he’s a “nationalist”.

    If you ask me the individuals who possess that brand of nationalism aren’t a million miles from racists. Can you think of any political parties that emphasize nationalism that aren’t also home to racists? The BNP? The Hungarian Jobbiks? The Greek Golden Dawn?

  27. Interest

    oh I see, that makes it all right then – spew all the invective you like, and we shall think none the worse of you for it.

  28. Luis Enrique

    Finland’s ‘True Finns’ immediately spring to mind, possibly UKIP in the UK?

  29. @Luis ‘oh I see, that makes it all right then – spew all the invective you like, and we shall think none the worse of you for it.’

    Well, you seem to think it’s OK to ‘spew’ the ‘invective’ of ‘racist’.

    I suppose the difference between us is that I do think the worse of you for it.

  30. @UKLiberty ‘Interested, why are you being unpleasant? Bad day?’

    Great day, actually. Thanks for asking.

    I just find the constant use of the word ‘racist’ irritating.

  31. well I certainly think somebody – let’s call them Paul – can describe “little more than one generation off the boat …[and] invoking the one nation paean” as racist, without being a cunt. He might be wrong (it’s just “nationalism”!), he might even irritate Interested, but cunt. no.

  32. hell, I’ll even come further in your direction – I think there are plenty of people that make accusations of racism that are cunts for it. But then there are people that make accusations of racism with reasonable grounds. And then some of these people are corrected by others pointing out that “nationalism” rather than racism explains things.

  33. You would think that being from a family who fled Nazi persecution, Milibland would be a little more careful with “Eine Volk” platitudes.

  34. Good grief, what a palaver. I’m certainly not going to parade my liberal sympathies in public, so you’ll have to take my word on the racist issue. Let’s just say my history and ethnic makeup is ambivalent. That said, Tim is correct is ascribing an occasional resort to tribalism on my part, and not just when it comes to footy. It’s worth mentioning that some of my drinking companions in this neck of the woods can trace their ancestors to within a 50 mile radius all the way back to the 1600s. My immediate neighbour moved here 48 years ago and the old boys still joke about his being an incomer. I’ve noticed the one thing that gets up people’s nose is a Metropolitan arriviste intent on taking over the local council. Accordingly, having only moved to the southwest several years ago, I keep my head down. I’m sure Millipede is a useful team member; whether we would want to make the lad our national team manager is another story.

    Tim adds: Just to add to the fun I myself was born within that 50 mile radius Gudgeon speaks of. Rather closer in than that in fact. 20 mile maybe.

  35. I personally think that Millipede minor is a muppet, but being little more than one generation off the boat while invoking “one nation” doesn’t seem that problematic – isn’t Disraeli generally associated with the phrase?

    “some of my drinking companions in this neck of the woods can trace their ancestors to within a 50 mile radius all the way back to the 1600s” – chances are, some of them have local ancestors going much further back:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man

  36. Luis Enrique,

    Miliband made reference to his family’s apparent superiority* coming as they do from off-island. Once he’s highlighted something and pronounced it superior, how can it be bigoted to declare it inferior?

    *Honestly, I don’t quite understand the oak tree remark. It seems a bizarre thing to count as a benefit, but I can’t see another interpretation.

  37. I’d have thought there were more important matters to talk about at the present time. Why are you all obsessed with what Milliband has to say? Please get a life.

  38. ““Both of my parents’ came to Britain as immigrants, Jewish refugees from the Nazis. I know I would not be standing on this stage today without the compassion and tolerance of our great country. Great Britain.””
    Of course as communists if they had been honest they should have moved to East Germany.
    The fact that they didn’t implies hypocriscy on a massive scale.

    Tim adds: That doesn’t really work until 1945 or so. By which time those who didn’t leave Germany would be dead. So no cigar there I’m afraid.

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