These insane cunts and minimum booze prices

What is it with these idiots?

Even if we grant them their contention that cheap booze kills, that the poor should be deprived of their pleasures to suit the puritans, that booze prices must rise for the sake of the children. Even if we grant them all of that minimum pricing is illegal.

And not only that: what sort of idiot cunt would deliberately set up a system so that booze company profits rose instead of revenue to the Treasury doing so? Quite seriously, that\’s the bit that is so damn mindboggling: why are the fools arguing for minimum prices and not duty rises?

MUCH debate about the problems of alcohol focuses on individual drinkers, in terms of both health and social impacts. Less attention is given to victims who are invisible to the public eye.

As the recent report from the children’s commissioner for England highlighted, young people and families all too often suffer the consequences of problem drinking, with some 2.5m children in the UK living with a hazardous drinker.

The Alcohol Health Alliance UK and other organisations with an interest in safeguarding children and families support the commissioner’s call for the government to take action. We support its commitment to introduce a minimum unit price for alcohol and call for this to be set at 50p in the first instance. This policy will tackle head-on the problems caused by cheap drink, not only to drinkers but to those around them — the innocent victims of alcohol harm.

Minimum unit pricing will target the heaviest drinkers: those who cause the most damage to themselves and others. A child who lives with a problem drinker is vulnerable to neglect, violence and abuse, and a significant number of child protection cases are linked to alcohol. It is essential that the government stands firm in tackling problem drinking in order to turn the tide of alcohol harm.

While minimum unit pricing is not a silver bullet, there is good evidence to suggest it will make a real difference. Harmful alcohol consumption affects more than just the drinker. We must support measures to help protect the next generation.
Professor Sir Ian Gilmore, Alcohol Health Alliance and British Society of Gastroenterology; Dr Vivienne Nathanson, British Medical Association; Dr Clare Gerada, Royal College of General Practitioners; Dr Hilary Emery, National Children’s Bureau; Professor Lindsey Davies, Faculty of Public Health; Eric Appleby, Alcohol Concern; Katherine Brown, Institute of Alcohol Studies; Dr Kieran Moriarty, British Society of Gastroenterology; Professor Graham Foster, British Association of the Study of the Liver; Professor Jonathan Shepherd, Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery, Royal College of Surgeons of England; Mike Farrar, Chief Executive, NHS Confederation; Professor Colin Drummond, Medical Council on Alcohol; Dr Fiona Wisniacki, College of Emergency Medicine; Alan Higgins, Director for Public Health on Alcohol, Greater Manchester; Julie Webster, Director for Public Health, Cheshire and Merseyside; Lord Victor Adebowale, Turning Point; Dr Peter Rice, Royal Society of Psychiatrists in Scotland; Paul Lincoln, National Heart Forum; Eric Carlin, Scottish Health Action on Alcohol Problems, Dr Jennifer R Lisle, Royal Society of Public Health, Dr Marsha Morgan, University College London, Professor John Strang, Institute of Psychiatry, King\’s College London, Andrew Langford, British Liver Trust, Hadas Altwarg, Drink Wise North West, Dr Evelyn Gillan, Alcohol Focus Scotland, Dr Arif Rajpura, Public Health on alcohol, North West, Martin Astbury, President, Royal Pharmaceutical Society

What are these idiots doing?

16 comments on “These insane cunts and minimum booze prices

  1. Ah, but minimum pricing allows them to maintain the fiction (and it is a fiction) that “responsible drinkers will not be affected”.

    We already have about the second highest duty levels in the EU so it’s rather obvious that policy lever is pretty ineffective in their terms.

  2. “why are the fools arguing for minimum prices and not duty rises?”

    Because they don’t want the price of their chilled Chablis to go up, just buckfast and diamond white.

  3. Fun.

    “young people and families all too often suffer the consequences of problem drinking, with some 2.5m children in the UK living with a hazardous drinker.”

    The total number of children in the UK is a bit under 5 million. Apparently half of all families include at least one ‘hazardous drinker’, whatever that is, so evidently that’s not a problem.

    In other news, I’ve been thinking about setting up a small brewery for a while. Now it feels too much like rent-seeking. The only solution will be to reduce profits by drinking more of the product per amount sold.

  4. There’s no mention of why these people are drinking so much in the first place. I suggest that boredom, stress relief, and a desire to have fun are the driving factors.

    We can reduce the demand for alcohol by offering alternative sources of entertainment. I’m thinking specifically youth clubs and sports clubs: if you’re in the boxing ring you won’t be necking 14 pints. Obesity rates might come down too. As a child I was kept out of trouble by a distinctly middle-class round of after-school activities, while many of my peers drank and smoked instead. As individuals that’s their choice, but their parents certainly wouldn’t have approved (had they known).

  5. Minimum unit pricing will only reduce the standard of living of the poor by cutting the amount left over to buy food.
    I second David C’s comment

  6. John77 beat me to it.

    The bigger idiocy is believing that increasing the price of cheap booze will make those hazardous drinkers virtuous and good parents.

  7. Andrew M: “As a child I was kept out of trouble by a distinctly middle-class round of after-school activities…”

    I fear those times have gone.

  8. I can see the drinkers spending a higher percentage of the family budget on booze with increased prices.
    How many drinkers cut down voluntarily? And how many need help to cut down?

  9. I think it’s one of those “Nudge” things again. If you charge people a fine for doing something, they think the fine absolves them, so that what they did isn’t morally wrong. But if you ban something outright (like selling booze below a certain price) it retains the sense that doing it is immoral. So basically they’re a load of moralising cunts.

  10. What’s the shop price of booze over your way, Tim? I just stocked up on carton vino. 70 pence/litre for cooking but certainly drinkable. Same store had vodka at £3/bottle. Social deprivation? We’ve unemployment over 25%, under 25, 50%+. Safety net’s largely non-existent. So by rights, we should be tripping over gutters full of alkies. Our drink problem’s with Brit-yoof swilling 5€ a go slammers in the disco- bars.
    France. Last time I bought a pack of Leffe it was under £7/24. Supermarket sells pure alcohol for fortifying home made liqueurs at £3.50/litre if some froggy wanted to pickle his liver. But they don’t. Never seen a problem with drunks in our local town & Flanders is a quaffing culture. Belgium’s even cheaper so we drive over to Mont Noir to stock up
    Contrast the Swedes off the ferry vomiting on Copenhagen pavements. At Danish prices!
    Travelling round Europe, seems a constant. The research results are in. High alcohol prices = drink problems.
    No reason this shouldn’t be true either. You make something expensive, people value it. It must be good or it wouldn’t cost so much. Leaving half a glass on the bar’s something we do here. It’s in the expensive countries they try to wring the last drop out of a bottle. If high prices were going to work, they already would have.

  11. “As a child I was kept out of trouble by a distinctly middle-class round of after-school activities, while many of my peers drank and smoked instead”

    I drank, smoked and had sex (solo and in company), I gave up smoking 30 years ago.

  12. But presumably if they make more profits they pay more tax, and anyway we know that money finishing in private hands is spent more intelligently that that finishing in the dead hand o f the state… having said that, I agree with you they are stupid moralising idiot bastards and hanging’s too good for ‘em.

  13. If by ‘problem’ drinkers they mean alcoholics then, as a former alcoholic myself, I can assure them than minimum pricing will make no difference. Getting enough alcohol matters and anything else can go hang.

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