This is fun about Godders

On the Bongo Bongo land comments:

But the ticking off is unlikely to end the controversy over Mr Bloom\’s remarks, because Ukip is about to publish its list of candidates for next year\’s elections to the European Parliament. Several MPs have demanded that Mr Bloom be struck off the list, which Ukip\’s leasers are clearly not willing to do.

I\’m trying to recall how many MPs UKIP has. Hmm, that\’s none, isn\’t it? So, by definition, those calling for Godders to be off the list are not in UKIP.

And since when does a not a member of a political party get to decide who stands for that political party they\’re not a member of?

My views on the suitability of, say, Peter Hain or David Cameron running a whelk stall are pretty sulphurous. But I do acknowledge that the parties of liars and thieves have every right to propose them as candidates.

21 comments on “This is fun about Godders

  1. the thing is that he’s unlikely to have put off any Ukip-voters through the comments, and may have even dog-whistled to a few undecideds. In terms of publicity, this is a bit of a win for him. If I weren’t a firm believer in Hanlon’s Razor, I might even suspect this was a sophisticated piece of PR management, rather than a gaffe.

  2. @JamesV

    Maybe he should have called it Wonga Wonga Land?

    Don’t forget “bunga bunga land” – as an Italian friend very eloquently described it recently!

    @sam

    I think that nails it. Some BBC and Guardian types are simply too far removed from reality (or too far up their own backsides) to understand any of this.

  3. My respect for Bloom for not caving in (“I’ll apologise to the imaginary ambassador”) is truly without bound.

  4. @PF
    The Graun or the Beeb would have no problem with “bunga-bunga land” But then wops are the right sort of wogs, aren’t they?
    (Amusing. My spellchecker just accepted wops but rejected wogs. Seems to validate my conjecture.)

  5. The central serious point here, I think, is that the only way to take down an oppressive hegemonic discourse is to (a) flout it openly and (b) treat your opponents as ridiculous. On that second point, laughing at people is far more effective than calling them evil, because ridicule makes them look weak, whereas evil has an aura of strength.

    If I had a political party, I’d do something like opening the annual conference with a sumptuously staged rendition of “Mammy” by scantily clad 14 year old schoolgirls in blackface.

    Which is probably one reason I don’t have a political party.

  6. If I had a political party, I’d do something like opening the annual conference with a sumptuously staged rendition of “Mammy” by scantily clad 14 year old schoolgirls in blackface.

    Yup, this is why we ain’t allowed to be politicians. Every time someone asks an MP one of those stupid questions with only one possible answer (designed to trap them into supporting a cause) like “Minister, are you worried about sexual violence against children?” I’m secretly disappointed they don’t reply “No, I like it. I think it’s good.”

  7. I suspect one of the origins of the phrase Bongo Bongo Land is the land of Omar Bongo – the former dictator of Gabon (which is almost an anagram of Bongo itself), who was one of history’s longest serving dictators and managed to amass a huge personal fortune while his country remained dirt poor and receiving foreign aid, before his son took over a couple of years ago.

    According to a small but vocal class of British people, it is racist to use such terms because most inhabitants of such countries have darker skin than most inhabitants of the UK. Such people, of course, have no qualms about using terms such as yanks, rednecks and ascribing somebody’s place of origin as Bumfuck, Alabama.

  8. @sam – I used to get constantly harangued by those charity mugger types. They used to say things like “all we’re saying is that everybody deserves a place to live, wouldn’t you agree”

    and I would say, in the most gentle and sincere way, no I don’t agree. Some people don’t deserve a place to live because they are very naughty and cause lots of problems for their neighbours. Maybe a good long period of homelessness would teach them some important life lessons.

    It was priceless to see their reactions

  9. Bloom’s reply that he was happy to apologise to their ambassador for any offence caused to the inhabitants of BB land was perfect, IMO. You could almost hear Jim Naughtie’s brain processing the thought that pursuing that line of questioning might prove even more embarrassing.

  10. OK crash-helmet on.

    Look, by ‘BongoBongoLand’ he means black countries, populated by black people, who wear bones through their noses and boil nice white people in pots.

    No, the other parties should their noses out, but I’m a voter; I think he’s a bit of a prick.

    I think Peter Hain is a complete prick and my local UKIP MEP, Paul Nuttall, he’s just fucking thick.

    BTW Tim, could you ask him to start writing letters to the Crosby Herald again please, he’s good sport.

  11. “Look, by ‘BongoBongoLand’ he means black countries, populated by black people, who wear bones through their noses and boil nice white people in pots.”

    So? That was much the condition the advanced world discovered them in, after all, and thus hardly an unreasonable stereotype.

  12. So…

    So it makes him appear to me at least like a bit of al knob, not very serious and not the sort of person I personally want passing laws by which I will have to live, that’s all.

    Now my exposure to him is very limited and I might have him wrong. That though is for him to show me…if he wants my vote.

  13. The distress caused to the professional offended was personified by some “racism out the classroom” (not its real name) representee who stated that this is racist as it refers to Bongo drums. The irony being that Bongo drums are not African, but Cuban. Who’s assuming things now ?

  14. “My views on the suitability of, say, Peter Hain or David Cameron running a whelk stall are pretty sulphurous. But I do acknowledge that the parties of liars and thieves have every right to propose them as candidates.”

    But you are a member of UKIP. In that capacity, do you think he’s a twat?

  15. I really do think our overseas aid budget needs to be thought through much more than it is and I applaud UKIP for forcing it onto the agenda. But for God’s sake, do it seriously!!

  16. So it makes him appear to me at least like a bit of al knob, not very serious and not the sort of person I personally want passing laws by which I will have to live, that’s all.

    Consider the 650 or so utter and total shits we’ve got doing that at the moment, I fail to see your point.

  17. No there aren’t 650 shits in Parliament. There are quite a few chancers and bullshitters, my own MP is one. However, there are a large number of extremely thoughtful and decent people. I know who I want in Parliamnet.

    ‘650 shites’ is too easy, too lazy.

  18. However, there are a large number of extremely thoughtful and decent people. I know who I want in Parliamnet.

    From a libertarian perspective, far too few of those seem to succeed in government. Instead, we mostly have a faux left versus right pantomime. Maybe it’s something in the water.

    btw, Luke, no, I don’t think he’s a twat. I think he simply refused to be brow beaten by a bunch of useless establishment PC’ers, which is what he alluded to in the interview.

  19. Well, this ended with UKIP – very quickly, which is impressive – getting him to apologise for any offense caused. So UKIP is indeed a party for grown ups; how does it make us look?

  20. It makes us look like people who live under a ghastly ideological tyranny, that’s how it makes us look. It makes us look like a society governed by shits, that’s how it makes us look.

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