As Chris Snowden has been saying for some time now

Professor of Clinical Epidemiology at the University of Liverpool, UK, Simon Capewell says, “Sugar is the new tobacco.

“Everywhere, sugary drinks and junk foods are now pressed on unsuspecting parents and children by a cynical industry focussed on profit not health.

“The obesity epidemic is already generating a huge burden of disease and death.”


Lying tossers
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As soon as you allow one prodnose to rule part of your life you’ll find all prodnoses trying to rule all of your life.

33 comments on “As Chris Snowden has been saying for some time now

  1. Although sugary drinks are known to be a problem scientists say many people are unaware that flavoured waters, soups, ketchup and ready meals also contain large amounts of hidden sugars.

    No, the sugar is not hidden, it’s all there on the label. We may therefore conclude that people are knowingly consuming the sugar or don’t care. Either way it is their choice.

    Bloody hell! When we were kids our mums gave us Wonderloaf (white) with butter and sugar. We had sugar in our tea. I’m not obese and have all my own teeth (bar the half that got knocked out).

    People can look around to see there is no obesity epidemic, especially among children. Yes, there are a few fatties which is an individual problem (if they see it as such), not a societal one.

  2. They want to reduce the sugar content of a Barley Sugar by 30%?!?
    If they let kids cycle to school, play football with their pals unsupervised, cancelled day-time TV, turned off the central heating etc there wouldn’t be a obesity/diabetes scare, which is due to an excess of sugar eaten over utlised by exercise/simply living rather than simply to the amount consumed. But that would mean less state intervention rather than more.
    I think/hope DocBud means with butter & jam (which is 50% sugar).
    Round here there are a *lot* of fatties, not just a few, but that still does not make it an obesity epidemic

  3. So if they reduce the sugar in foods and drinks we’ll have to add sugar ourselves to get the flavour we want?
    So when are they going to ban entire bags, yes its sold in kilograms not just spoonfuls – when are they going to ban large quantities of sugar we can keep in the house?

    Have these idiots ever given a thought to what we eat and drink maybe impacting on obesity? Takeaways, large portions, beer, bottled water etc? Rather than the sugar within certain things.

  4. It’s a job creation project which can then extend new graduates eager to avoid the hazards of the private sector: inquisators for sweetness, blandness coordinators, glycemic index inspectors, twits for twatter to report from dessert menus, campaigners to ensure Marsbars and suchlike are sold in identical plain packaging and banned from parks and playgrounds. What about the victims of passive sweetening, to be saved from watching the consumption of cakes or colas?

  5. The basis of their diet, therefore, is white bread and margarine, corned beef, sugared tea, and potatoes — an appalling diet. Would it not be better if they spent more money on wholesome things like oranges and wholemeal bread or if they even, like the writer of the letter to the New Statesman, saved on fuel and ate their carrots raw? Yes, it would, but the point is that no ordinary human being is ever going to do such a thing. The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is this, that the less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food. A millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits; an unemployed man doesn’t. Here the tendency of which I spoke at the end of the last chapter comes into play. When you are unemployed, which is to say when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don’t want to eat dull wholesome food. You want something a little bit ‘tasty’. There is always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you. Let’s have three pennorth of chips! Run out and buy us a twopenny ice-cream! Put the kettle on and we’ll all have a nice cup of tea! That is how your mind works when you are at the P.A.C. level. White bread-and-marg and sugared tea don’t nourish you to any extent, but they are nicer (at least most people think so) than brown bread-and-dripping and cold water. Unemployment is an endless misery that has got to be constantly palliated, and especially with tea, the English-man’s opium. A cup of tea or even an aspirin is much better as a temporary stimulant than a crust of brown bread.
    George Orwell, The Road To Wigan Pier, 1937

    Nothing new here. The prodnoses have been at it for over 70 years.

  6. I love that Wigan Pier quote. It’s on a par with the one about the Letchworth nutters on the bus.

  7. “white bread and margarine, corned beef, sugared tea, and potatoes — an appalling diet”: but as part of a diet corned beef and potatoes are just fine. In fact, if you replaced the marge by butter and went easy on the sugar in the tea, I’d reckon that all of it would be OK as part of a diet.

    Mind you, I still wince when I see people who ought to be adult drinking brown sugar water. Beer, you bastards! Or wine, tea, coffee, milk or water.

  8. You would think that a “Professor of Clinical Epidemiology” would know what the fucking word ‘epidemic’ meant, wouldn’t you?

  9. I bought a Marathon/Snickers bar the other day for the first time in years. My first irrational thought was that my hand had got mysteriously bigger, but of course the size of the bar had been reduced because of the dictat of miserable lemon-sucking bastards in the Public (Marxist) Health cesspit.

  10. It’s the pretence that they are taking a brave stand against the evul corporayshuns that drives me up the wall.

    Notionally any economic transaction requires at least two parties – a buyer and a seller. Interfering in that transaction is consequential – it requires the use of force and so the ends must justify the means.

    So they assert, without evidence, that the transaction was conducted on illegitimate terms in the first place – the intrusion is therefore justified. So spake the fiend and with necessity, the tyrant’s plea, his devilish deeds excused.

    No-one would claim that everyone takes decisions that are wise, or fully informed. But the argument of these little turds (including that clown Tom Chivers at the Telegraph) is that because a choice may be poorly informed it should be replaced by no choice at all.

  11. Ian B

    “It’s puritan anti-salt maniac Graham MacGregor and his harem, punting another front group. Experienced puritan watchers will also note the presence of obesophobic Tam Fry and other familiar figures like Mike Rayner, etc.”

    CASH! Love it, his goal hidden in plain sight?

  12. They must have a fucking fit at some cookery shows the amount of butter and salt that goes in.
    The only time anyone over 18 should drink cola is in a large serving of Jack Daniels

  13. “Obesity and diabetes already costs the UK over £5 billion every year which is likely to rise to £50 billion in the next 36 years.”

    The reason behind this is we are taxed to provide the welfare money for the unemployable obese to continue to enjoy unhealthy eating and then we are taxed again to provide for their medical needs. Getting fat is not costly, particularly if someone else pays for it.

    The proposed solution is “more tax”, the correct solution is “less tax” (less spending on welfare and medical expenses).

  14. The “diabetes epidemic” is largely a consequence of altering the definition of diabetes. Come to that, the obesity epidemic is partly a matter of definitions too. Anyway, around here the best place to see lots and lots of fatties is the hospital – most of them are staff rather than patients.

    Mind you, I’d be unsurprised if it turns out that part of what is going on is a matter of infection.

  15. Anyway, around here the best place to see lots and lots of fatties is the hospital – most of them are staff rather than patients.

    In terms of anecdata, it’s hard not to notice how few nurses are slim. At least on the NHS. I’m underclass, so for all I know all the fit ones are snapped up by BUPA, and they totter around the wards there in short skirts and heels, regularly giggling in a dirty way. But anyway, at the local general, they’re all big lasses.

    Mind you, I’d be unsurprised if it turns out that part of what is going on is a matter of infection.

    Srsly. I’ve wondered that myself.

  16. As soon as you allow one prodnose to rule part of your life you’ll find all prodnoses trying to rule all of your life.

    Actually I think it is more of a zero sum game. We had all the prodnoses nicely contained – they obsessed over adultery and homosexuals getting at our children and so were mostly harmless. The Sixties decided those things were fine, so they broke free and are now roaming around looking for new areas where they can boss us about.

    The solution is to find an area of social life where they can do little harm, lock them up and make sure they stay there.

    (Mind you, I don’t think he has a point, but I do think he is within a million miles of having a point – a lot of sugary drinks contain caffeine, which in my experience is, well not addictive as I don’t think that exists, let’s say habit forming. Not sure that they should be giving children habit forming drinks. Especially if they are going to make them fat)

  17. Mind you, I’d be unsurprised if it turns out that part of what is going on is a matter of infection.

    Just google obesity bacteria and read a few of the articles. The evidence for the obesity epidemic being an … er… epidemic is mounting.

  18. Not sure that they should be giving children habit forming drinks

    There you go, SMFS, you’ve found a whole new purpose in your life, Society for Action on Caffeine for Kids (SACK). There will be no end of government bodies queuing up to give you money and like every good not for profit you can pay yourself a handsome salary as CEO.

  19. Ian B – “I love that Wigan Pier quote. It’s on a par with the one about the Letchworth nutters on the bus.”

    I don’t. I mean it is a lovely quote, but it is misapplied here and is possibly factually wrong. It is misapplied because it is so irrelevant to modern Britain – our feckless non-working under class is not so tired from sitting on the couch all day they need some sort of sugar rush to make up for it. The obese in the UK are mostly among the poorer people – people who at that time would have been classed as middle class and are probably the least hard working group of people in the history of the human race.

    You can go to parts of the world and see people who really work hard and are really poor. India’s peasants. Even some of China’s peasants. They do not indulge in these little luxuries. Because they are so poor. Even then the British poor were not poor by world standards.

    Is it true? The millionaire does not enjoy his horrible diet because he is a millionaire. He is more likely to be a millionaire because of the lifestyle associated with that horrible diet. He probably came from one of those Puritan Churches you hate so much. And because he (or more likely his grandfather) did not fritter his time away on things like sugar, beer, gambling, loose women, you know, having fun, the family rose to wealth. The feckless remained poor.

    I don’t think Orwell gets cause and effect right.

    DocBud – “There you go, SMFS, you’ve found a whole new purpose in your life, Society for Action on Caffeine for Kids (SACK). There will be no end of government bodies queuing up to give you money and like every good not for profit you can pay yourself a handsome salary as CEO.”

    Yeah. I have long known about how to have a jet set life on the tax payer’s dime. I could have worked for the UN. But frankly I would rather take up drug dealing or working as a lap dancer. You know, professions with more integrity.

    Still doesn’t mean that coke is good for children.

  20. “The obesity epidemic is already generating a huge burden of disease and death.”

    I think people are missing the real point – is there any evidence of this at all? People have been getting fatter for virtually my entire life. They have been living longer too.

    I bet you could graph world obesity rates with life expectancy and there would be a perfectly smooth line match.

    The fat are aesthetically displeasing – and one of the few ways that nice Guardian-reading middle class people can sneer at the Coloured Peoples of the world (because when Americans i nm particular talk about obese people, they are really talking about minorities). But that is about it from what I can see.

  21. I think people are missing the real point – is there any evidence of this at all? People have been getting fatter for virtually my entire life. They have been living longer too.

    According to this study, it is only the very obese (BMI>35) who suffer health effects due to their weight:

    Relative to normal weight, both obesity (all grades) and grades 2 and 3 obesity were associated with significantly higher all-cause mortality. Grade 1 obesity overall was not associated with higher mortality, and overweight was associated with significantly lower all-cause mortality.

    So by trying to get us to reduce our weight to ‘normal’, they are actually trying to make us die earlier.

  22. Just think, solve the obesity epidemic and the unhealthy eating epidemic and the smoking epidemic and drinking epidemic and so on – and bankrupt the country with pension payments! Will have more people livint to age 100!
    It is known that some of those who develop health issues will not survive to draw a pension. Of those that do some will die within a few years. Does the pension industry including government’s own pension payments not rely on people becoming ex-people, they have ceased to be?

  23. What more is there to say?
    Obesity is a (lifestyle) choice.
    What right have we to deny it to those who choose to suffer thereby?
    At this point someone will complain that we have to pay for it – but no we don’t – that is a completely separate argument.
    Do we pay for people suffering from self-inflicted problems including alcoholics, those suffering diabetes as a result of becoming clinically obese, single mothers who have left the father (rather than vice-versa, where the deserted mother deserves sympathy and support), etc?

  24. DocBud – “According to this study, it is only the very obese (BMI>35) who suffer health effects due to their weight:”

    Just as the passive smoking campaign is driven by something other than the facts, so too does the campaign against obesity. And there is no denying fat people are ugly and, in the case of women, absolutely undesirable. But that is no reason to ban sugars. Mockery seems the more sensible solution.

    So by trying to get us to reduce our weight to ‘normal’, they are actually trying to make us die earlier.

    Well we have all given up smoking and there are those pensions to think of ….

    Martin Davies – “Just think, solve the obesity epidemic and the unhealthy eating epidemic and the smoking epidemic and drinking epidemic and so on – and bankrupt the country with pension payments! Will have more people livint to age 100!”

    The fat are national heroes? Like smokers? I would love to see this campaign. After all, think of all the tax they pay!

    john77 – “Obesity is a (lifestyle) choice. What right have we to deny it to those who choose to suffer thereby?”

    I don’t think they are denying it. Just making it more expensive. Especially as the obesity epidemic may have been driven by the government’s advice to avoid fats and eat carbs. We have done what they told us and now we are all fat.

    “At this point someone will complain that we have to pay for it – but no we don’t – that is a completely separate argument.”

    It is. We do pay for it in one way – fat people are ugly. We all have to look at them. What is worse these days we have to pretend we don’t mind. I can’t believe I sat through Piers Morgan talking about Rachel Jeantel as if she was Mother Teresa.

  25. SMFS – please avoid me, I am fat.
    Thats due to 3 disabilities and medically prescribed pills (side effect is weight gain from two different pills).

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