Despite it being true isn’t he getting stick over it?

Jon Snow points out what every man knows:

Jon Snow has admitted he thinks about sex every time he meets a woman for the first time and ponders “what could be”.

The Channel 4 News host insisted it was “natural” for men to think of all women as potential sexual partners.

He claimed men were “defined by women”.

In an interview with the London Evening Standard, the broadcaster said: “Sex comes into every evaluation of a woman, there’s no doubt about it. It’s there.

“Once you’ve established a friendship or a working relationship with a woman, it’s parked. But it’s an interesting barrier. When you’ve gone through it and arrived at the other side, it’s never a problem again.

Clearly and obviously so. There is a scoping out on first meeting and then an allocation, at some later point in time, into “chase for a shag” or “do not chase for a shag”.

That many might wish that it were not so could be true but that doesn’t stop it being so.

12 comments on “Despite it being true isn’t he getting stick over it?

  1. It is all fainting Victorian maidens and covered piano legs.

    But in the end, either people want to hear, and can handle, the truth or they don’t. Which will it be I wonder.

    I actually enjoyed Julie Bindel on the BBC the other day. Having fainting fits with the claim homosexuality is genetic. Because if it is, then there may be a scientific basis to the idea that girls are made of sugar and spice.

    It is not just the Born Again Creationists who deny the science

  2. What we need to add though is that women do just the same thing. And it’s not just sexual. People on meeting new people start forming judgements as to that other person’s utility to them; might be a good business contact, might be a friend, this one’s just an acquaintance, I don’t want to see this person ever again, and so on. It’s an inevitable and essential part of human interaction.

    And this is the thing about objectification; it is simply the process of focussing on particular aspects of other people based upon their subjective utility to oneself. Absolutely vital to life.

  3. SMFS-

    Bindel is a true radical feminist and in a strange way admirable for that; despite thinking such people are barking mad and dangerous, I can at least admire their intellectual consistency more than the pick’n’mix princess feminists who purely judge the whole of society on its immediate benefit to themselves.

    The radical lesbian feminists have always- against most of the Gay Rights mainstream- considered gayness to be a lifestyle choice. To Bindel, becoming a lesbian was a conscious political act of the rejection of patriarchy. Indeed, Sheila Jeffries stated quite clearly that a lesbian feminist is not a woman who (necessarily) fancies women, but a woman who “does not fuck men”.

    So to a radical lesbian, the idea of being at the mercy of nature is really a personal insult; a deprivation of agency. And also, in fact, probably correct (if for the wrong reasons). The idea of a gay gene is pretty absurd.

  4. Ian B – “And this is the thing about objectification; it is simply the process of focussing on particular aspects of other people based upon their subjective utility to oneself. Absolutely vital to life.”

    True. But it is necessary for social life to pretend otherwise? Humans are one of the few primate species that suppress overt displays of sexual availability. We also have problems having sex in public. Unlike virtually all other primates.

    It may well be that to co-operate as a group, we need to pretend we are not thinking about sex all the time. If we want to co-operate with women in the office, it is more important that we do so. Of course we can’t, and it is, if I dare say so, unnatural. Which may be why groups that do well tend to be distinctly male – even the Economist was forced to admit that “diversity” was bad for creativity.

    So we can hypocritically pretend, or we can segregate.

  5. “What we need to add though is that women do just the same thing.” Ian B

    It’s true. Every time a woman meets me, she thinks “shag him or not”.

    I’m just continually disappointed with their conclusion.

  6. SMFS-

    But it is necessary for social life to pretend otherwise?

    Probably, but the degree of pretence required is uncertain and will tend to vary in different social contexts. Which sort of ties in with what I’ve been saying in other threads about the relatively loose and bohemian cultures in, say, the entertainment industry which are now suffering a damnatio memoriae via the crucifixion of octagenarians.

    I think it’s pretty safe to say though that if my accountant happens to be a hot chick (not that he is, but let’s pretend) that it’s pretty essential that I objectify her as an accountant, rather than as a hot chick, in order for our business relationship to be functional.

  7. There is a scoping out on first meeting and then an allocation, at some later point in time, into “chase for a shag” or “do not chase for a shag”.

    Unless the meeting is with Ann Widdicombe, of course.

  8. Ann Widdicombe was all right as a young lady.

    What makes me laugh is that some women make a great deal of fuss about how terrible it is that they are sexual objects when they’re young (eg. the complaints Cate Blanchett made recently, as reported by Tim Blair). But then when they get past it they complain about how they’ve become invisible.

    It also needs to be repeated that sex is not the only thing a man instantly weighs up when he meets a women. As Ian B said, you also make judgements on things like ‘Is she a decent person?’, ‘Is she trustworthy?’, ‘Is she fun’, ‘Has she got anything to say worth listening to’, ‘Has she got an agenda, or baggage?’, etc. And vice versa with women and men.

  9. By the way, I love the fact that Snow is getting stick. His type have been giving my type stick (or trying to) for the last 50 years.

  10. As Ian B said, you also make judgements on things like ‘Is she a decent person?’, ‘Is she trustworthy?’, ‘Is she fun’, ‘Has she got anything to say worth listening to’, ‘Has she got an agenda, or baggage?’, etc.

    Will she tell my wife?!

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