There’s the ignorant and then there’s the positively stupid

I took Andrew Bolt to court – because free speech should never mean the right to savagely hurt others

There is free speech, and then there is the responsibility we all share as decent human beings not to savagely hurt others or incite hatred within the community

Err, yes, free speech does indeed mean that you can use the words cunt, nigger, abo, slag, shite, even, if we are to be outrageously offensive, Australian, as mere insults or even as fully meant descriptions of another. Whatever they happen to think about it too.

It’s also true that good manners, social mores, the respect of your peers and many other things place limits on which might be used in what circumstances. But free speech really does mean that there should be no laws to prevent you from using those words.

We might, perhaps, make one restriction, where their use would be so inflammatory as to be likely to incite violence or cause a breach of the peace. But it is incite violence, not hatred, a breach of the peace not savagely hurt others.

Another way of putting this would be that being a “decent human being” is a matter of manners, being a peaceful one is a matter for the law.

And I do think Ms. Cole might have been helped a little by the subeditors at The Guardian:

And yes, on the flipside, other people will have their right to be viscously bigoted removed,

Viscously, thickly, bigoted is rather good there but I’m sure that’s not what she meant.

46 comments on “There’s the ignorant and then there’s the positively stupid

  1. She also leaves out the bit how being inflamed or hurt is a variable setting depending on the advantages.

  2. IIUC, breach of the peace is basically incitement to violence against oneself. Which I guess is why certain fundagelical Christians can picket the funerals of gays and soldiers in the USA but not in the UK.

  3. Which I guess is why certain fundagelical Christians can picket the funerals of gays and soldiers in the USA but not in the UK.

    No, that’s because Benny F (with his long experience in France) tried but couldn’t quite get them to go with his suggestion for the First Amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech (except for people who insist on being complete dickheads) , or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Emphasis added.

  4. Ah, Australians. Last year I sent a confidential email to a project manager in Melbourne, informing him that one of his employees was incompetent in the position to which he was assigned, and he passed it to the employee in question and went squealing to a lawyer. If this happened in Aberdeen he’d have been laughed out of the office. Australians aren’t half as tough and thick-skinned as they like to make out.

  5. I get so pissed off with the political torturing of language. Yes, “hurt” can mean physically or emotionally, but putting “savagely” in front of it is really just a lie here.

  6. Australians these days are mostly urban manginas and lady-manginas. I hope they get eaten by kangaroos.

    Anyway. So this sheila:

    http://www.aboriginalartdirectory.com/images/ealert/eblastartist6-portrait-bindi.jpg

    Claims to be an aborigine.

    Huffing petrol is not a good idea, kids.

    People who say they are aborigines get free money from the Australian government. Because, manginas.

    So it’s probably an amazing coincidence this pasty faced “artist” claims to be an aborigine.

  7. It isn’t simply the free money, though that is welcome of course. I suspect it is mostly the feeling of Otherness, the oneupmanship on her fellow hipster travellers? You are merely a lesbian? Oh dear, you see I’m Aboriginal. It is the arms race of hipsterism.

  8. And finally on the manginas if Australia – it is funny how national stereotypes persist. The myth of Australians as tough, swearing, outdoor types has persisted, and foreigners, especially in the US, still have this image of Englishmen as polite, inarticulate chaps with stiff upper lips, whereas if you actually live here I doubt you would meet one in a hundred which met that criteria. You would be very likely to meet a fat, boorish loud yob, however.

  9. The villages round our way are full of Englishmen like that, Rob – bar the inarticulacy. I’ve met quite a few fairly roughtie toughtie Aussies, too, and they’re mostly from the smaller towns.

    Maybe it’s in the cities that the stereotypes no longer hold – which is progress, I suppose!

  10. Who’s the doris in the States who insists she’s a Cherokee, or an A-patch, on the basis of her grandma had high cheekbones? Can’t recall or be bothered to google, but she’s now in Congress. Liz Warren, that’s it. There’s gold in them thar fake hills.

  11. I’m always amazed at what people think free speech means and doesn’t mean. All it means is that you cannot be prosecuted for saying something.* Which is why this woman is completely wrong.

    But where other people (on both sides) also get it wrong is that It does not mean that you have a ‘right to be heard.’ it does not mean you have a right to a platform that belongs to someone else. It does not mean anyone has to listen to you. It doesn’t mean they have to respect your opinions. It doesn’t meant that they have to host you, endure you, or tolerate you without getting all up in your face and exercising their right to tell you they think you’re a c***. It certainly doesn’t mean that a news outlet has to invite you on simply becuase they’ve also invited someone you disagree with (although they very well might for shits and giggles).

    It just means you can’t be prosecuted.

    *NB which is why we do not have free speech in the UK any more.

  12. Eddy – Yarp.

    As a proud black Eskimo woman, I know how hurtful it can be when people doubt your outlandish claims of improbable ancestry.

    So it was quite right of Bindi to sue that nasty journalist who questioned her aboriginalness. She raised her mighty boomerang of justice and struck a blow for blue eyed, pale skinned, freckled, ginger aborigines everywhere.

    As she says, people in Australia still have free speech to agree with her and indulge her didgeridoo delusions. So what’s the problem?

  13. There are various scholarships, awards, prizes and such like aimed at so-called disadvantaged aboriginals, these are nearly all hoovered up by white aboriginals who cannot possibly be discriminated against because nobody knows that they are aboriginals.

    My son was at uni with a white aboriginal who got free money from the taxpayer so he could overcome the disadvantage of his white, middle-class background and go to university.

  14. Rob – “I suspect it is mostly the feeling of Otherness, the oneupmanship on her fellow hipster travellers? You are merely a lesbian? Oh dear, you see I’m Aboriginal. It is the arms race of hipsterism.”

    Yes, it’s rather instructive to watch the endless game of victimhood top trumps played by the identity politics Left, where what you have to say is less important than who you claim to be.

    It’s the anti-Enlightenment.

    Simply claiming to be a lesbian or even an aborigine isn’t enough to be avant garde these days. Why do you think Facebook created its Heinz 57 varieties of gender options?

    As far as I can tell, the rules of victim top trumps are:

    The more pathetically oppressed you claim to be, the higher your status.

    The more psychotically thin-skinned you purport to be, wielding trigger warnings and microaggressions and grimly frolicking in the roiling sea of social justice rage that is Twitter, the higher your status.

    Your status is always dependent on cleaving to Marxist dogma. Even a pangendered brown lesbian deaf midget dolphin – normally a high-ranking Victim – will be cast into the outer darkness if Shim is a conservative or libertarian.

    Bonus points if you have a tragic backstory. For those victims who are distressingly white, middle class, able bodied or male, this may be your best chance of overcoming your inborn disadvantages. Claiming to have been almost raped or a victim of a hate crime can help you close the gap on more obviously exotic victims.

    If it turns out you fabricated the hate crime, don’t worry. The Left will still back you up for raising awareness about the evil things right wing cis white males might have done if you hadn’t done it first.

    Where even fake hates crimes aren’t an option, because you’re cursed by being a white, middle class, university educated, heterosexual, non-disabled male, you can still elevate yourself above the other white guys through some careful positioning. You must publicly denounce your privilege and be cautious to never incur the displeasure of your more victimised betters though. Aggressively white knighting for feminists or obnoxiously championing leftwing causes can be a good strategy here.

  15. Aggressively white knighting

    Violent, racist, sexist, militarist scum that you are. You are hereby denounced and are to report to the gulag for your self-criticism programme.

    You are no longer “Steve”. You are “Criminal_12461”

  16. Err, yes, free speech does indeed mean that you can use the words cunt, nigger, abo, slag, shite, even, if we are to be outrageously offensive, Australian, as mere insults or even as fully meant descriptions of another.

    It is probably worth pointing out that Andrew Bolt was sued and silenced *despite*not*using*a*single*one* of these words. That I can see anyway.

    He merely said that some very White looking urban middle class people were claiming benefits intended for rural poor Black people.

  17. Bolt’s words regarding Bindi Cole:

    Meet, say, acclaimed St Kilda artist Bindi Cole, who was raised by her English-Jewish mother yet calls herself “Aboriginal but white”.

    She rarely saw her part-Aboriginal father, and could in truth join any one of several ethnic groups, but chose Aboriginal, insisting on a racial identity you could not guess from her features.

    She also chose, incidentally, the one identity open to her that has political and career clout.

    And how popular a choice that now is.

    I do like the vicious innuendo of the “, incidentally,” aside.

    Special snowflake time, certainly.

  18. Pace Steve above, there are certain words that are very useful because their non-ironic use tells you one can safely disregard anything further the author has to say. ‘Cisgendered’ is a good one. “Intersectionality’ is another. I’m sure you can think of more.

    Conversely, using them can be enough to gain you points, if points you need, amongst the lackwitted dullards that inhabit the grauniad and staggers.

    Which is why I keep my Cambridge Shorter Primer of Crypto-Marxist Claptrap* fully up to date and current.

    *not Oxford, of course. Who do you think comes up with this bullshit in the first place?

  19. sam-

    Can’t we just add “cis” to the LGBTQ… and then we’re all special? I’m LGBTQC, I am.

  20. I don’t we should read too much into this; it’s not about cultural Marxism or libtard one-upmanship.

    It is about thieving bastards nicking cash that was meant to be set aside for poor people.

  21. MC:Yes it is–there would be no cash to thieve were it not for cultural Marxist bollocks.

    Altho’ looking at the article Steve links to above–I wonder if these blokes are really leftists or 5th columnists subverting from within. The two “aboriginals” are so obviously white and the successful claim of one of them to a prize intended for a black woman almost suggests they are a pair of moles gnawing away at leftist insanity.

    What next–if “I am what I (say) I am” is the new anthem of the left–perhaps Tim should declare that he is the Emperor Napoleon and demand a Nobel peace prize. If a Kenyan-American from Indonesia can get one–who knows?

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  23. So all those people who have been savagely hurt by being called ‘Fascist’ by the Left can now prosecute and silence their tormentors?

  24. In taking this money intended for poor disadvantaged folk, she is rather like the fat greedy neighbour who raids your bird table for the bread you left out and justifies doing so by claiming to be part-Eagle by self-identification, which the Law in its infinite majesty and stupidity permits.

  25. MC – “I don’t we should read too much into this; it’s not about cultural Marxism or libtard one-upmanship. It is about thieving bastards nicking cash that was meant to be set aside for poor people.”

    It *was* about thieving bastards nicking cash that was meant for poor people. It *is* about Cultural Marxists using the power of the State to silence opinions they do not like.

    Bindi Cole is a blight on civilisation.

  26. Runcie Balspune – Poor Michael, the white aboriginal Jew. Have his people not suffered enough in the ghettoes of the Gold Coast and the shtetls of Sydney?

    Isn’t it enough that the land of his tribal forefathers is terrorised by baby-stealing dingos, Lord Humungus, and Priscilla: Queen of the Desert?

    Why must they persecute him so, and rob him of his potpourri, which holds a special significance in the white Aboriginal Jewish culture due to its ability to make a room smell nicer? You racists just wouldn’t understand. 🙁

    Next time he should try being a mermaid, then he could swim past those fascist quarantine officers.

  27. I’m just wondering, are they recursive?

    Like, might I possibly be a trans(transwoman)? That is, a man trapped in a woman trapped in a man?

  28. Ian B – “I’m just wondering, are they recursive? Like, might I possibly be a trans(transwoman)? That is, a man trapped in a woman trapped in a man?”

    I think that this is too limited. The real question is are you a dolphin trapped in a trans-woman trapped in a cis-man?

    I think that is the question we all want answered.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

    Although the other good question is why should some dumb bint who thinks she is a dragon trapped in the body of an obese Middle England-er have the right to vote?

    Food for thought there.

  29. SMFS – Because they just want to be true to themselves:

    http://www.otherkin.net/articles/identifying.html

    “I have quite strong connections to draconity, and these may reflect the fact that, possibly, I was a dragon once. I even believed it myself for some time, but ultimately, draconity didn’t “fit” me. I didn’t “feel” like a dragon. When I frequented draconic communities, I felt like an outsider. I didn’t have the impulses and sensations that dragons should have. I simply don’t know, or at best have forgotten, what it’s like to be a winged pseudoreptilian being. Eventually I decided that “dragon”, the label, wasn’t for me. It’s something I connect to, it’s something that’s like me. It’s not who I am, and so I let it go.”

  30. Well this is the interesting thing; once you’ve said that what you feel is valid regardless of its consistency with reality, you’ve effectively abolished the idea that somebody can be delusional.

    “Hello, I am Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte. Pleased to meet you.”

    Transexuality is an interesting one. It started off with the plausible assertion that (a) sex identity is innate (genetic or congenital effectively) and therefore (b) some unlucky souls are born with the wrong one. Assertion (a) is not unreasonable, though we have no actual evidence as to whether it is true or not. That is, the idea that you are born in some way biologically wired to know that you are male, or female, as part of a package of brain wiring that will fit you to your gender roles (manly or womanly behaviours) or at least a sense of association with that gender so you know who to hang out with. If (a) is reasonable, so is (b).

    But even if true, it may not be that every transexual has the same cause. It’s a common human fallacy that all cases of one effect have the same cause. It may be that some people are “genuine” transexuals, and some people are delusional- that is, people whose madness manifests as a belief that they are transexual.

    But now they’re in the “identity group” paradigm, effectlvely an form of sceptical investigation is verboten, and we have simply a dogma that what you feel is what you are. And if that includes feeling like a dragon- which is certainly not explicable by (a), then that’s your identity, and that is that.

  31. Ian B – I have some degree of sympathy for trannies, because that’s a lonely and sad existence and the poor buggers go through a lot of painful surgery and social isolation just to look like ugly women – if they’re lucky.

    Saw a programme about an Army officer who decided, in his 40’s, to “become a woman”. His wife (understandably) now hates him, he’s unemployed, his parents and kids don’t speak to him, and he looks like a burly man wearing a dress. That’s quite typical of men who get sex changes.

    No wonder so many of those poor bastards commit suicide. Their situation is the direct opposite of people like Bindi the didgerideluded ginger or Michael the bush Abo-jew, whose implausible ethnic identity costs them nothing and gains them special perks, and can always be shrugged off if something better comes along in future, such as claiming to be a minotaur or something.

    However, at the risk of burnishing my hatey hater credentials even further, many trannies also seem to be mentalists, if Twitter is anything to go by. “DIE CIS SCUM!” is a surprisingly common sentiment, especially when they have online slap-fights with radfems.

  32. Steve – ““I have quite strong connections to draconity, and these may reflect the fact that, possibly, I was a dragon once.”

    Yeah. Care in the Community. It is not working out is it?

    Ian B – “It may be that some people are “genuine” transexuals, and some people are delusional- that is, people whose madness manifests as a belief that they are transexual.”

    Careful saying that. The Trans lobby will try to get you fired or even thrown in jail. Even though it is obviously true. The theory that I like, but Deirdre McClusky does not, is that some men are raised with such spite towards male sexuality that they can only be sexually fulfilled if they become “women”. All that men want is bad, you see, and all that women like is fine. So by becoming “lesbians” these rather sad men can enjoy a happier sex life with women.

    “But now they’re in the “identity group” paradigm, effectlvely an form of sceptical investigation is verboten, and we have simply a dogma that what you feel is what you are.”

    Lysenkoism in fact.

    Steve – “No wonder so many of those poor bastards commit suicide.”

    Follow up studies have found that sex change operations make trans no happier or functional. Whatever their problem is, it is not their genitalia.

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