A lone nutter does not prove that the world is misogynist

Women have had enough. The stares. The butt-grabs. The little comments. And now this: a man writes a 140-page misogynist manifesto before killing six people, and yet – still – women are called hysterical for insisting this tragedy was driven by sexism.

In the days since Elliot Rodger murdered six people in Isla Vista, California, citing hatred of women and sexual rejection as the reason for his rampage, women across the world have come out en masse to share their stories of everyday sexism and misogyny – and to tell the world that enough is enough. On Twitter, Tumblr and on the streets, women laid bare just how pervasive sexism still is, and shot back against detractors desperate to believe that misogyny had nothing to do with the Rodger rampage.

The reason women mobilized so quickly after the shooting is because we recognized immediately the language and ideology in Rodger’s videos and manifesto: the over-the-top sexual entitlement; the rage against women who “dared” to reject him; the antiquated, but nonetheless terrifying, belief that women should not be in control of their own sexual choices. Regardless of Rodger’s mental health issues – which we still don’t know much about – his ideas were not “crazy” by the standards of the world today. They are the norm.

No dear. That 3.5 billion men did not, this past week, wander out and murder 6 people because said 3.5 billion men were not getting laid enough shows the opposite of what you are claiming. That it was a rare event shows that society isn’t like that, not that it is.

33 comments on “A lone nutter does not prove that the world is misogynist

  1. I really don’t know who is madder, this self- absorbed murderous little twat or the wimminz studies graduates who rushed to make political capital out of the tragedy before the corpses had achieved room temperature…

  2. Women have had enough. The stares. The butt-grabs. The little comments. And now this: a man writes a 140-page misogynist manifesto before killing six people, and yet – still – women are called hysterical for insisting this tragedy was driven by sexism.

    Wot Julia said. Because there is a difference between a butt grab and hacking someone to death while they sleep.

    Speaking of which, this nutter killed six people. Four of them were men. Yet for Da Sistas, it is about them.

    Hysterical is not the right word. Narcissistic is.

  3. “Regardless of Roger’s mental health issues – which we still don’t know much about”

    Oh don’t you? I do. And I’m beginning to form a picture of yours.

  4. Spot on SMFS.

    Loony kills four men and two women in the US, but it’s all about me #anastymantouchedmybottomonce

  5. MC – “Loony kills four men and two women in the US, but it’s all about me #anastymantouchedmybottomonce”

    Or – worse – #nomanevertouchedmybottom. Hence why so many feminists look the way they do.

  6. I note that the writer of the article uses quite garish red lipstick to imply the presence of her twat and black eye makeup to both make her look younger and to increase her allure – in effect bait for men to stare and butt grab. Yet complains when it is done.

    What she needs is a good kick in the cvnt to demonstrate what real misogyny is.

  7. I think the gunman was a classic narcissist. If it wasn’t women he used as an excuse for his own failings, it would have been some other group. He would have blamed black people and been a neo Nazi, or blamed the rich and been a Guardian columnist.

    That said, the “pick up artist” and men’s rights extremists certainly played their part in whipping up the hatred, in the same way that Islam can turn incoherent inadequates into suicide bombers.

  8. Afew days ago two women (mother and daughter with the help of a local municipal policewoman) shot dead, in cold blood, a woman politician they had hated for years over a labour dispute affecting the daughter.

    Can anyone help me interpret this? From a patriarchy/matriarchy pov?

  9. I was struck by how handsome the kid was. Given that he was Hollywood connected and in California he must have been very deeply weird not to have got laid.

    But hey, never mind, a wolf whistle is just like a murder spree really.

    I wonder if the bereaved will find this article in acceptable taste.

  10. Matthew L – “If it wasn’t women he used as an excuse for his own failings, it would have been some other group. He would have blamed black people and been a neo Nazi, or blamed the rich and been a Guardian columnist.”

    Hard for him to have been a neo-Nazi. Being Asian and all. Well half Asian. His mother is Chinese Indonesian by the looks of her.

    “That said, the “pick up artist” and men’s rights extremists certainly played their part in whipping up the hatred, in the same way that Islam can turn incoherent inadequates into suicide bombers.”

    He hated the PUA community. He does not appear to have been a Men’s Rights activist. In other words his interest in them is the same as yours – he had contempt for them. So does that mean you pose a risk of going on a mad shooting spree too?

    Just because he is deeply weird and the MRAs are mostly deeply weird, doesn’t mean they are deeply weird together. But of course because feminists hate one, the other must be at least a little bit, you know, kosher or something.

  11. Incidentally I know it is unfair to mock the mentally ill, but Laurie Penny wrote pretty much the same article at the New Statesman.

    I quote:

    Women and girls and queer people have been told that online misogynists pose no real threat, even when they’re sharing intimate guides to how to destroy a woman’s self-esteem and force her into sexual submission. Well, now we have seen what the new ideology of misogyny looks like at its most extreme. We have seen incontrovertible evidence of real people being shot and killed in the name of that ideology, by a young man barely out of childhood himself who had been seduced into a disturbing cult of woman-hatred. Elliot Rodger was a victim – but not for the reasons he believed.

    So she does not accept the evidence that he was deeply weird from an early age. It was because he surfed the Net and found the rather sad little community of Men’s Right Activists.

    OK. Fair enough. We know this stuff doesn’t work right? That it is just the rantings of the mentally disturbed? That any sensible woman can see through it, right?

    There are certainly men out there who engage with the ideas of “Pickup Artistry” without absorbing the contemptuous misogyny at its core, much less pursuing it to its conclusion. One of my best relationships, in fact, was with a young man who swore by The Game as a handbook for shy boys who wanted to be able to talk to girls at parties, whilst mocking the sexism at its core.

    So no, it’s not all men. But then it never was.

    For F**k’s Sake girl. It f**king well worked on her. She fell for it. Admittedly, LP’s best relationship is not a particularly high bar, but here is a real reason to keep the f**k away from them – you may end up sleeping with Laurie Penny.

  12. Matthew L – “That said, the “pick up artist” and men’s rights extremists certainly played their part in whipping up the hatred, in the same way that Islam can turn incoherent inadequates into suicide bombers.”

    Sorry mate, that’s bollocks.

    Pick up artists are just men who try to help other men improve their success with women. I’m guessing their target audience skews towards young, shy, awkward men like Rodger. He might have benefited from some of their tips. Maybe if he had sex it would have prevented his frustration combined with his sociopathic personality building up to a killing spree.

    Instead he frequented a forum of deranged loners called “pick up artist hate”.

    And mens rights activists are mostly bitter divorced dads who want more access to their children.

    The only climate of hate here is the one being fermented by sick feminists who want to use the murder of four men and two women as a political platform against people who criticise feminism.

    Bloke in France – “I was struck by how handsome the kid was. Given that he was Hollywood connected and in California he must have been very deeply weird not to have got laid.”

    He was a scrawny, effeminate runt with obvious personality problems. Women often make poor choices in men but those choices tend to skew towards confident, sexy bad boys with big muscles, not fey-looking creeps who give off a Norman Bates vibe.

    Women can smell crazy a mile off. I’m not surprised they rejected him.

  13. Steve – “Women can smell crazy a mile off. I’m not surprised they rejected him.”

    The world is full of women tweeting how cute he looked. But he shot himself. If he didn’t, like that Chechen bomber in Boston, he would be getting women’s underwear in the mail.

  14. SMFS – “The world is full of women tweeting how cute he looked”

    Is it? I’m not surprised. But I’d suggest “cute” doesn’t necessarily mean “want to shag”. Although it might. The prison correspondence of famous killers shows a lot of women like violent men.

  15. She has plenty of theories but zero solutions. You can’t ask for a “change in culture” without anything to drive that change.

    Attitudes to smoking and drink driving have hardened as the laws against them have hardened; attitudes to soft drugs have softened as the laws (or at least the enforcement of said laws) has softened. Attitudes towards ethnic and sexual-orientation minorities have changed as the police have changed their attitudes towards them, and as their visibility in the media has increased. The paralympics transformed attitudes towards the disabled.

    For example she could advocate on-the-spot fines for wolf-whistling, or women-only carriages on trains, or civil offences for men who tweet disparaging comments towards women, or televised naming-and-shaming of men who harass women. These aren’t necessarily changes most of us would welcome; but they would certainly cause the “sea change on sexism” that she wants.

    Rant over.

    The killer is a fool – if he’d just waited a few years, he would have matured (physically and emotionally), probably ended up with a fair bit of money by sheer virtue of having wealthy parents in America, and thus would be automatically attractive to the opposite sex. He should have moved north to somewhere like Portland or Seattle, where the colder beaches means there’s less of a gym culture than in southern California.

  16. definition of cute – ugly but fuckable, so he definitely wasn’t cute then……..

  17. Andrew M – “She has plenty of theories but zero solutions”

    That’s because there needs to be a problem before you can define a solution.

    Does misogyny exist in the world today? Yes. Ask the girls kidnapped by Boko Haram.

    Is misogyny a serious problem for Western women? Our survey says…. nope. Western women are more likely to go to university, live longer, and control most of the spending decisions. They initiate most divorces and almost always walk away with the house and kids. They are treated more leniently by the criminal justice system, and the health service spends a lot more on addressing women’s health issues than it does men’s.

    Western women on the whole aren’t oppressed. They’re privileged.

    So Western feminism, with its illogical mood swings between Rosie the Riveter memes boasting about how strong and empowered they are one minute and crying about something they read on the internet that offended them the next, is more about striking a pose than it is about thinking up solutions.

    It may in fact be a marker for mental illness.

  18. The irrationality of such a good-looking, fairly attractive kid failing to get laid is kind of the whole point. Of course it was irrational, because he was fucking nuts. That’s all there is to say about the whole thing. A nutbar did nutty things, end of story. If he hadn’t picked one topic for fixation, he’d have picked another.

  19. Reading the Laurie Penny screed, you’d think that the vast majority of Rodger’s victims were female. She does mention “unlucky male bystanders” once, early on.

    I can’t find any information about the sexes of the wounded.

  20. Rodger wrote the following in his manifesto:

    In order to completely abolish sex, women themselves would have to be abolished. All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. In order carry this out, there must exist a new and powerful type of government, under the control of one divine ruler, such as myself. The ruler that establishes this new order would have complete control over every aspect of society, in order to direct it towards a good and pure place.”

    Change the target:

    In order to completely abolish tax avoidance, all freedoms themselves would have to be abolished. All free thinking people must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. In order carry this out, there must exist a new and powerful type of government, under the control of one divine ruler, such as myself. The ruler that establishes this new order would have complete control over every aspect of society, in order to direct it towards a good and pure place.”

    And who do we have:D

  21. I’m just suprised he didn’t pay a prostitute or escort to have sex with.
    If his lack of sex was really an issue rather than the sheer rejection by females of a loony guy.

  22. Martin – “I’m just suprised he didn’t pay a prostitute or escort to have sex with.”

    I’m not. For he was a “nice guy”.

    He’d internalised the feminist bullshit about how people should like you “for who you are” and actively hated the pickup artists who say no, you have to improve yourself if you want to get women.

    Until he finally snapped, he was passive and timid and consumed with self pity and seething rage that women weren’t flocking to him.

  23. Well at least we now have an objective measure of the feminist value of men – 4 male deaths outweighed by 2 female ones. Ergo a man is worth less than half a woman in their eyes. I ‘think’ that if it had been 4 male and 1 female victims we might not have heard so much of the misogyny sthick, so I’ll estimate the feminist male value quotient as between 0.25 and 0.5 of a woman. Thats even less than the RoP give women. Nice.

  24. Misogyny, hating women as a group, and not liking being turned down by them are not the same. Indeed they could be said to be opposites.

  25. Of course Jessica Valenti sees sexism as driving the Rodger shootings… Jessica Valenti sees sexism in everything she looks at.

    That’s because Jessica Valenti is selling sexism.

    It’s what she does. It’s how she makes her living. Without it, she’d be working in a call center somewhere taking orders for women’s shoes and fashion accessories.

  26. I wasn’t much cop with women when I was his age, either, and even I would have looked down on such a snivelling, epicene, narcissistic little shitbag. I wish toerags like this could just skip the mass-murder and go straight to the blowing-their-brains-out part.

    Here’s another thing: 3 out 4 of the four male victims were academically high-flying Asians. Haven’t seen much made of that by the grievance-mongerers yet. Give ’em time, no doubt.

  27. What people like Laurie Penny don’t understand is that society evolved. If you change lots of inputs quite quickly you will get lots of new outputs. They have changed the inputs, this is one of the outputs.

  28. Dave – “The irrationality of such a good-looking, fairly attractive kid failing to get laid is kind of the whole point. Of course it was irrational, because he was fucking nuts. That’s all there is to say about the whole thing. A nutbar did nutty things, end of story. If he hadn’t picked one topic for fixation, he’d have picked another.”

    Agree totally. Because he wasn’t just fairly good looking. He was the son of two people who work in Hollywood. How can you not get laid by saying your Dad worked on the Hunger Games? Instant chick magnet I would have thought.

    That he is another product of divorce is no surprise. Seems to be common in spree killers. As does being Asian – pushy Tiger mothers may be very successful …. until they are not any more. Load the boy up with so much guilt and he is bound to do nutty things. Add to that a father that seems pretty absent, divorced, and focused on “exotic” women (ie he seems to have had his own problems with women) and there is no need to play the misogyny card.

  29. 22 is very young to “go postal” because you can’t get laid. Give it another 10 years yet son. oop too late.

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