Perhaps the allegations are just bollocks then?

Police forces are not treating allegations of racism against officers robustly, a police watchdog has said after an investigation found less than one per cent of complaints to forces were upheld.

Channel 4’s Dispatches programme used freedom of information laws to discover that only a tiny proportion of 7,963 complaints of racism lodged with police forces in England and Wales led to action being taken against officers.

Between 2005 and 2012 only 77, or 0.97 per cent of the total, upheld after internal inquiries were completed.

It also found some officers had faced repeated claims about their attitudes to race.

The programme said 43 police officers in England and Wales had had four allegations of racism made against them and 16 officers had five or more. None of the officers involved was sanctioned.

That allegations are made does not prove that there is indeed racism going on.

The problem with the evidence as presented is that there are two equally viable explanations.

1) When someone complains of police racism the investigators simply state “Fuck off nigger” and nothing else is done.

2) The standards of what is racist in law and racist in the popular imagination are different. We can certainly imagine some idiot declaiming the identifying the skin colour of a suspect by shouting “Dat’s raacist”. That this is something that a police officer should be punished for is not entirely clear.

My own suspicion would be that neither of these are wholly true. I wouldn’t doubt for a moment that there are truly racist police officers: I wouldn’t doubt that there are truly racist vicars either. Nor would I doubt that there are race mongers out there willing to make an accusation at the drop of a mention of melanin.

The problem with the evidence presented to us here though is that it just doesn’t give us any guidance at all as to which is actually the problem. That accusations are made and then no punishments handed out could point to either explanation.

25 comments on “Perhaps the allegations are just bollocks then?

  1. Perhaps the Despatches allegations are bollocks, but simple common sense tells us that it’s very unlikely there have only been 77 incidents of police racism in seven years. That’s a bit under one a month, nationwide.

    Since, I would presume, a single black mark in this regard is not a sackable offence, we might be talking about no more than one or two officers a year being sacked for racism. Out of 140k officers. Believable?

  2. Dave
    I’d love to know what your baseline for common sense telling us that can’t have been only 77 incidents is? Does it just feel too low? Seems like we can apply the same reasoning, only one incidence of racism per month nationwide might point to excellent standards of professionalism in the police force just as much as under-reporting.

  3. “That accusations are made and then no punishments handed out could point to either explanation.”

    It’s the same bollocks we hear from the feminists on rape convictions, isn’t it?

  4. Exactly what JuliaM said.

    Whether it’s police racism or rape – or indeed satanic cult abuse or shapeshifting lizards – some people just know that it’s going on all the time and everywhere, and the lack of actual evidence just proves how effective the conspiracy is.

  5. Having spent a lot of time in one of the ethnically diverse areas of London, I can assure you there’s little doubt the Met are racist. If it’s drug dealing on the corner, running a car without tax or insurance, even enjoying a quite spliff in Tottenham High Street, I can assure you ” Yer only pickin’ on me coz I’m white!” gets no traction whatsoever. They won’t even log the complaint.

  6. Yup, yet another leftie ishooo.

    It’s rather like the article in the ‘Telegraph’ over criminalisation of forced marriage. Lefties screech and whine about something, rending their garments in angst at the unfairness of it all and demanding someone DO SOMETHING!

    The government sighs, says ‘OK, you win, we’ll treat this as a priority and clamp down’ and the lefties immediately screech and whine that this is terrible and will stop people coming forward if their loved ones (the people the lefties accuse of hideous crimes against humanity) are imprisoned.
    So I’ve come to the conclusion the lefties just like to screech and whine.

  7. bloke (not) in spain – “Having spent a lot of time in one of the ethnically diverse areas of London, I can assure you there’s little doubt the Met are racist.”

    I have no doubt that dealing with low life scum every day tends to put you off low life scum. And if a lot of that scum happen to be Black or Muslims from South Asia, or poor White Trash for that matter, at some point policemen are going to start making connections.

    The question is whether it matters. If a policeman is doing his job in a professional manner it shouldn’t matter if he thinks all Welsh men shag sheep or Scots are tight fisted bastards or that all people of Pakistani origin have the worst features of both communities and are probably married to their sisters to boot.

    But of course we can’t have double plus ungood Crime think.

  8. SMFS – there was a story in the press recently about a Somalian drug entrepreneur who was gunned down in a quiet Edinburgh suburb by three other Somalian drug entrepreneurs over a business disagreement. They used a submachine gun to settle their dispute, and in doing so ran afoul of the racist police.

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27831474

    What struck me most about this story was that the victim – a terrible loss to our vibrant diversity to be sure – was the son of a Muslim Imam who plies his trade at the “Central Mosque” of Edinburgh.

    One might draw all sorts of unkind conclusions from this sorry tale, but the important thing to remember is that Mo Farah seems like a nice guy.

  9. @SMfS
    I rather think you miss the point, old son.
    I’m currently lodging in one of those repulsively twee little towns in London’s stockbroker belt. One walks in fear because the local Volkspolitzie, constantly circulating in their candy-striped cars, are likely to descend on you for the merest infraction. Contrast a more “enriched” neighbourhood, where the filth rarely venture without armed support. Or just rarely venture. Not saying I blame them.
    From the article:
    “He had been driving in south London when he saw his cousin being arrested, and stopped to speak to the officers involved. He claimed he was beaten and racially abused. ”
    Yeah. Well we’ve all seen that one. Plod has a word with Leroy & before he’s got two sentences in there’s half a dozen of the “bro” materialised out of thin air giving it “Wha yo’ harrassin’ me man fo’, ruff clat?” It’s back off smartish or hello to a developing riot situation.
    It’s called “policing by consent”. Meaning, not a lot.

  10. Last time I was at a sporting event, an extremely foul mouthed woman several rows in front of me was eventually ejected after multiple complaints from many spectators.

    She screamed “racist” all the way to the gate.

    Yeah, right.

  11. From the article:
    “He had been driving in south London when he saw his cousin being arrested, and stopped to speak to the officers involved. He claimed he was beaten and racially abused. ”
    Yeah. Well we’ve all seen that one. Plod has a word with Leroy & before he’s got two sentences in there’s half a dozen of the “bro” materialised out of thin air giving it “Wha yo’ harrassin’ me man fo’, ruff clat?” It’s back off smartish or hello to a developing riot situation.
    It’s called “policing by consent”. Meaning, not a lot.

    In that particular case the officers didn’t simply arrest the men or “back off smartish”, they assaulted, falsely imprisoned and (having lied about the events) maliciously prosecuted the men. This sequence of events having started when the officers saw a third man – a cafe owner, also assaulted by the officers – wave to a black man driving a BMW. Not their finest hour. It cost the public purse at least £330k and the police whatever respect the “respectable, middle-aged family man of good character” (and his family, friends etc) held for them before they permanently damaged him.

  12. Since I’m relating anecdotal evidence told to me by others, I’ve gone deep, deep under cover. (No racism there, then).

    Every single contact between a police officer and a non-white Caucasian will include the word “racist”, usually followed by a graphic description of the officer’s mother or male friends.

    Police officers are aware that an allegation of racism that sticks is career ending, given Theresa May’s culling of white males in the police, err, service (as is an out of date MOT, but that’s another story).

    There are undoubtedly many racists in the police force, but few acts of racism.

    And finally, a bit OT, it seems it is impossible to fire a non-white Caucasian nurse (in fact, pretty much anyone who works for the NHS). It is considered fatal to one’s career to even try. But the wife of a friend did try, so incensed was she by the appalling mistreatment of patients by one nurse. She had the backing of everyone from the accused’s fellow nurses up to the hospital management. The black barrister turned up to the IT and didn’t even bother rebutting the allegations. He merely repeated the word racist every three minutes for two days. Result? £123,528 compensation to the nurse and my friend’s wife’s career has stalled.

    So, there we have two public institutions where you would have to be completely bonkers to actually commit a racist act.

    Based on anecdotal evidence…

  13. Yeah. Well we’ve all seen that one. Plod has a word with Leroy & before he’s got two sentences in there’s half a dozen of the “bro” materialised out of thin air giving it “Wha yo’ harrassin’ me man fo’, ruff clat?” It’s back off smartish or hello to a developing riot situation.

    The police might have been able to count on some public sympathy for their situation if an awful lot of their number didn’t go out of their way to harass otherwise law-abiding, contributing members of society for minor infractions of some new Blair-era law (which they probably didn’t even know they were breaking).

    As an anecdote, and I mentioned this over at David Thompson’s place, a guy I knew recently got dumped by a girl he had been seeing, in a rather unceremonious and humiliating manner. He was seriously pissed off and, having received no explanation much less an apology, sent her a series of emails telling her exactly what he thought of her. A few mildish insults the worst of which was “you’re a piece of shit”, some frank views but absolutely no threats or racism, in 10 or so emails spread over 2-2 weeks before he got over it and fell silent. Only to find the Met turning up on his doorstep over an allegation of “harassment” and “abuse”. London’s serious crime rate must have dropped off a lot since I last lived in the UK.

  14. ““respectable, middle-aged family man of good character”
    Aren’t they always, UK Lib? Aren’t they always? The percentage of the enriching community that are pillars of society, inspiration to us all is … almost..unbelievable..

    Depends what “public” you’re talking about there, Tim N. There’s the “public” gets visits over mildly direct e-mails. Or arrested for quoting Churchill. There’s the “public” cops £330k for getting their feelings hurt. So some of the “public” wouldn’t cross the street to piss on a copper if he was alight. Wonder why?

  15. The problem is that neither side in general are worth much.

    The individual in this case may be a solid middle-class citizen. There is however, a large amount of ethnic criminal scum in this country who should not be here–we have enough trash of our own. And amongst that trash I would include a considerable percentage of the state’s costumed thug squad. I have zero time for either side of this conflict. If they could both lose and wipe each other out in the process we would all be better off by far.

  16. ““respectable, middle-aged family man of good character”
    Aren’t they always, UK Lib? Aren’t they always? The percentage of the enriching community that are pillars of society, inspiration to us all is … almost..unbelievable..

    No, I don’t think all complainants are “respectable, middle-aged family men of good character,” I was just quoting the judge’s description of that particular man.

  17. There’s the “public” cops £330k for getting their feelings hurt.

    That number comprised of:
    £250k awarded by a civil court to that man not only because he had been “subjected to explicit racist abuse in the street and a particularly vicious and cowardly form of racist abuse at the police station,” but also because they physically injured him and then lied about the events and maliciously prosecuted him in an effort to cover up what happened.

    And £80k in an out of court settlement to the other two men they assaulted.

    Rather more than “feelings hurt”.

  18. “£250k awarded by a civil court to that man not only because he had been “subjected to explicit racist abuse in the street and a particularly vicious and cowardly form of racist abuse at the police station,” but also because they physically injured him”

    My heart does truly bleed. Remind me what the reward for getting a leg blown off serving Queen’n Cuntry in the Ghan is?

  19. Blimey. I’m not suggesting your heart should bleed or that other people don’t have it worse, just that particular case was rather wose than “feelings hurt”.

  20. My heart does truly bleed. Remind me what the reward for getting a leg blown off serving Queen’n Cuntry in the Ghan is?

    £380k immediately, a tax free guaranteed income of at least 100% of your current salary + allowances, your pay continuing until you are both ready for NHS rehab and no longer employable in MoD and, when you do retire, your pension immediately.

    It has got better.

  21. It seems enough time has passed for you all to believe that ‘racism’ is bad.
    Yet there are large blocks of people who regard their own race as best. And have the guns to prove it.
    China , Indonesia etc. lean this way. Time seems to be on their side. What then?

  22. It seems to me that being found by a judge to have lied in pursuit of a malicious prosecution ought to end an officer’s police career.

  23. @Paul
    You’d think a politician lying to achieve election would be a career ender. But….
    In the less than perfect real world it’s ends & means.

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