Please vote yes, please, please!

Support for Scottish independence has risen eight points in a month, according to a new poll.

The No camp are now six points ahead of the Yes campaign, down from 14 points in mid-August and 22 points early last month, excluding undecided voters.

The latest YouGov poll found that, excluding ”don’t knows”, 53% of those questioned planned to vote No, while 47% would back Yes.

This compares to 57% for Yes and 43% for No in mid August and 61% for Yes and 39% for No at the beginning of last month.

Go on, gooo oooonnnn, puhlease?

Imagine, both Danny Alexander and Gordon Brown banished from Westminster forever. No more Scottish MPs. The near impossibility of a majority Labour government ever again in Jerusalem’s green and pleasant land.

So, how much do we have to bribe you all to vote yes?

41 comments on “Please vote yes, please, please!

  1. Ha fucking ha. Some us will have to live in McVenezuela if the worst happens. Don’t be a superficial cunt, Tim.

  2. The yes campaign is fascist – I use the term advisedly. Scotsmen such as Surreptitious Evil and BraveFart deserve better.

    So regardless of any other consideration – and I have become increasingly open to Scotland’s independence – I think if I had a vote I would vote No. Because in its present incarnation Scottish indpendence is fascism.

  3. They used to say the people of Natal used to vote Progressive Freedom Party and thank God for the National Party. I suspect something similar is happening here. Many want a no vote but would be happier being able to say they voted yes. If the gap narrows too much, they’ll bottle it and vote no on the day.

  4. It astounds me that Cameron & Co aren’t pushing the “Yes” vote for all they’re worth (which is “not a lot” IMHO)… It’s just about the only chance they have of forming a Conservative government in 2015.

  5. Yet another reason why I can never vote for UKIP. Petty, chippy, Little Englander nationalists. Even the “libertarian” ones. You disappoint me, Worstall.

  6. To misquote HL Mencken, they deserve to get independance – good and hard. Blair’s Scottish too don’t forget, we’ll be sad to see him go.
    Just a shame Lady Thatcher isn’t around to campaign for the ‘No’ vote. That’d definitely swing it for English Liberation.

  7. It might be “chippy” (though what chip shops have to do with this I fail to see) or “little englander” but it’s be worth it to get shot of all of Scotland’s Labour MPs!

  8. What they should be doing, Pogo, is campaigning no but in a very antagonistic manner, e.g. saying the Scots are not mature enough for independence and need the English.

  9. @Pogo, Cameron isn’t pushing the “no” vote because he knows he will poison it. He’ll be portrayed as the arrogant colonialist and the incarnation of why you should vote yes.

    It’s one of his shrewder moves.

  10. The primary driver for the majority of Yes supporters I’ve encountered is “Keep the evil Tories out”. As pointed out above, the vision for an iScotland seems to be a McVenezuela.

    At the weekend I asked some Yes street campaigners whether, in the event of independence, we would get another referendum to see if the Scottish voters genuinely do want to join the EU. This caused the red mist to descend: “But of course we’ll join the EU! We’re not little Englanders!”. Treating Scotland as a new blank canvas just doesn’t seem part of the deal.

    I then asked what would happen if a new, or rebranded, Conservative party got a significant part of the Scottish vote or even gained a majority. (It’s not inconceivable. It wasn’t that long ago that Scotland had several Tory MPs and there is probably a core vote of around 20% that would be swelled from SNP voters switching back post-independence. The left wing factions would no doubt split up post the referendum, fragmenting their own vote as well). The response – “That wouldn’t happen here – Scotland’s a left wing country!”.

    For fun I then asked what would happen if, as seems very likely, the wealthiest and most pro-business cities of Edinburgh and Aberdeen vote strongly No but the rest of Scotland votes Yes. Would Edinburgh/Aberdeen then be entitled to seek Independence from Scotland, or indeed could they envision a point in the future where Scotland seeks independence from Edinburgh/Aberdeen? After all, they would then be likely to take on the position in an independent Scotland that London currently takes in the UK: driving most of the growth and subsidising much of the country. The Yessers went a wee bit quiet on that one.

  11. It’s not going to happen. It’ll be like the 1992 election where stated and actual preferences were shown to be quite different. People can say that they want independence but when they’ve got to tick the box to enter the unknown, they’ll recoil.

  12. Fear not Glendorran, they are teenagers till the day they die. Half of the Yes street campaigners will vote No. The Yes campaign is one long teenage rant:I hate you; it’s so unfair!

  13. Do remember that the 1979 Scottish Referendum gave a Yes vote, albeit for an Assembly with fewer powers than the current Scottish Parliament.
    The UK Parliament had set a 40% rule which was not achieved by the Yes campaign (about 33%, in fact), so the nation was saved. Admittedly, the Callaghan government fell and we got 18 years of the Tories, so every silver lining has a cloud (have I got that the right way round?).
    I’m looking forward to voting the SNP into political oblivion in May 2016, either because they failed to get independence or because they succeeded and are no longer necessary. They are becoming quite a dangerous and unpleasant bunch. But then, successful politicians often are.

    Scott

    PS you can keep Anthony Blair as a gift from the people of Scotland. He’s such a nice chap.

  14. “The near impossibility of a majority Labour government ever again in Jerusalem’s green and pleasant land.” You can’t visit the country much, Tim. Haven’t you noticed that Labour’s plant to admit and breed a Labour-supporting electorate is proceeding on plan?

  15. DocBud – close but wasn’t it “vote Progressive FEDERAL Party and thank God for the Nationals”?

    I like to think under that environment I’d have voted proggie and actually meant it, but who knows how such an Alternative Universe me would have been shaped by my surroundings …

  16. Alas Ukip and the Tories will split the right of centre vote. Left of centre Tories will join the LibDems. And Miliband will still win the election. We’re going to hell in a hand-cart.

  17. Bernice G

    Yep.

    And afterwards, as Militant introduces one Ritchie – inspired policy after another, I’m going to be on this blog reminding them that is exactly the LibLabCon all – the – same cap you said you wanted.

  18. Pogo, Separation wouldn’t happen in time for the next Uk general election. So Scotland last gift to the UK might well be a Miliband government. No need to thank uk.

    Ironman, you’re being too harsh on Scottish teenagers. All the indications are that Salmonds idea of giving teenagers the vote has backfired spectacularly : they’re solidly in the no camp. Worried about their futures in the event of independence, for some reason. Sensible lot.

  19. Hugh:

    Indeed.

    And there was a lot of bleating from the usual suspects about “Thatcher’s children” when surveys showed that teenagers and those under 26 had distinctly non-left wing opinions (e.g. In favour of cutting welfare and government spending, happy to be more self-reliant).

  20. Hugh/GlenDorran

    What’s going on?

    Here on Merseyside the yoof have been taught as a matter of absolute fact what opinions decent people hold, how they vote etc. Indeed they know for A FACT that Tories are evil or just sick in the head, all of their policies are stupid and they are bought-and-paid-for by the forces-of-evil (these being, in no particular order: Tesco, Sainsbury, “leccy” companies, private train companies, academy schools, anybody wanting to set up a free school, “zionists” and Americans – who are also stupid)

    So, if the Scottish State, sorry, the SNP, BBC Scotland, the newspapers and no doubt their teachers up there are telling them what they should think and why they should be grateful to Wee Alec anyhow for giving them the vote unlike those evil English Tories, what on earth is happening to make them think different?

    And how dare they?

  21. Can we just nail this ‘little englander’ canard once and for all.

    The little englanders are the ones who don’t want to get out from under Frau EU’s skirts.

    UKIP and the rest of the eurosceptics would like to see a Big England that was able to negotiate free trade agreements with the whole rest of the planet. You know, China, the US, the South Americans and all the rest of the big wide world out there including the EU, the non-EU rest of Europe and even Scotland.

    And then of course we could have foreign policies to suit us, our own immigration policy and even a legal system that wasn’t dependant on a judiciary brought up in a completely alien philosophy.

  22. I live in an affluent city centre area of Edinburgh. The only posters displayed in windows are Yes, not a single No. While I’m willing to believe there are is a substantial Yes vote here, I know there is an equal or greater No constituency, just that the Nos do not want to announce this in case a bottle is lobbed at them at the weekend.

    That’s my overall take on the Yes opinion poll numbers – they are probably artificially high for a whole number of reasons.

    But, we’ll have to wait c 2 weeks to see. I sincerely hope the vote either way is decisive, but I fear it will be a narrow No, setting us up for years of bleating and demands for another referendum.

    I’d quite happily kick Wee Eck in the cvnt.

  23. Kevin B

    Let’s nail another cannard while we’re at it shall we:

    “UKIP and the rest of the eurosceptics would like to see a Big England that was able to negotiate free trade agreements with the whole rest of the planet”

    Really? Because the Ukip Deputy Leader, Pail Nuttall is an MEP from round my way. And he IS a thick-as-shit little englander who isn’t interested in free trade agremeents but instead argues in local rags that German engineering firms should be barred from tendering to replace Merseyrail’s rolling stock.

    Douglas Carswell may be a libertairian free-trader, Nigel Farage may be a classic liberal free-trader, Tim Worstall defintiely is. The rest of you? Isn’t it all about those Romanian gypos?

  24. Do you all get to vote for that or only the Scots?

    I’d think side should get a vote and if *any* side comes up with a majority ‘yes to secession’ then they go.

  25. I’m with Chris.

    I am old enough to remember Harold Wilson’s socialist paradise, I have no wish to live in Salmond’s.

  26. So UKIP is a bunch of little englanders on the basis of your perceptions of one MEP’s stance compared to three other fairly high profile members. While the rest of us are RAAACIIISSS!!!

    So, vote for the Liberals then. They’ll have a policy you like. Any policy, any time. They’ll promise you it. Or vote Labour. They’re really into free trade. As long as the state controls every tiny detail of it. Or vote Tory. That party is full of libertarians and classic liberals and they’ll get rid of the wets and take over anytime now. Or you could vote Libertarian or Raving Loony or some other protest party because you wouldn’t want to dirty your hands joining UKIP and attempting to steer it in the direction preferred by its leader, its most high profile recruit, our host here on this blog or any number of members from councillors to MEPs.

    No, stay outside and yell “Racist” and “little englander” and all the rest of the positive encouragement English politics really needs from it’s participants.

  27. BraveFart: this sounds exactly right. My Aunt in Embra would like to put a No poster on her window but dursn’t. The real problem, as she points out, is that whichever way the vote goes it will engender an acrimonious and permanent split between the two camps.

  28. Kevin B

    By your howls of injured outrage one would think we were making it up about you.
    So that famous radio interview about Romanians living next door – didn’t happen?
    So those election posters featuring an unemployed decent English worker being screwed out of a job by ‘foreigners’ coming and taking them – didn’t happen?
    So those Ukip leaflets in Wythenshaw “Ukip is against the bedroom tax” – didn’t happen?
    And that letter from your party’s Deputy Leader (is he not?) seeking protectionist laws – didn’t happen?
    Or for that matter his campaign – if you can call it that – to have betting shops kept away from “poor areas” because “there are enough of them already” – didn’t happen?
    Or his call for for an English parliament so that the Scots can’t pass laws on English matters – didn’t happen?

    I don’t need to shout anything about you; you’re doing that yourselves. Please, you can’t keep saying and doing these things and then crying “it’s not true; it’s a smear” when it gets pointed out.

  29. @ DocBud

    “What they should be doing, Pogo, is campaigning no but in a very antagonistic manner, e.g. saying the Scots are not mature enough for independence and need the English.”

    I think you are spot on.

    Myself, I am struggling to understand how, given the opportunity, any proud Scot could turn down the chance to freely govern themselves and determine their own future?

    Forget the money, the currency, and all the rest of it, those are simply details.

    This is surely about heart, that’s where the Yes campaign have failed to properly counter Darling’s various “details” over currency and similar.

    The only possible explanation can be is fear – they are frightened. As Ironman says above, like teenagers, come the vote they simply won’t have the confidence to take that first glorious step out into the light…

    @ Scott

    PS you can keep Anthony Blair as a gift from the people of Scotland. He’s such a nice chap.

    Get lost – he’s yours! 🙂

    @Ironman

    “The rest of you? Isn’t it all about those Romanian gypos?”

    And you! No, it’s not, as you well know, let’s not go there all over again!

  30. PF

    I didn’t say Scots are like teenagers; I said the Yes campaigners were. Not very impressive Sir!

    And Scots who prefer the Union ARE proud, proud of the Union. They’re the Scots who serve in the military the Scots who built the Empire. How dare you suggest they don’t have pride.

  31. @ Ironman

    PF

    I didn’t say Scots are like teenagers; I said the Yes campaigners were. Not very impressive Sir!

    And Scots who prefer the Union ARE proud, proud of the Union. They’re the Scots who serve in the military the Scots who built the Empire. How dare you suggest they don’t have pride.

    I actually agree 100%. Many Scots who prefer the Union will be proud of the Union, undoubtedly.

    But they werent really my target audience above!

    What I was saying was : “this is surely about heart”.

    And for those whose hearts lead them to Scotland, rather than to the Union, I was suggesting that practical details – or even fear perhaps – shouldn’t deter them from voting for a bright new future..!?

    My apologies, I didn’t actually intend to mis-quote you, I was referring more specifically to those who may be inclined towards the yes vote.

    And, of course, in response to Scott re that great statesman Anthony Blair, I should have said:

    “No, actually, you should keep him. As an independent fledgling nation, you are going to need the very best available to help you succeed in the years ahead…”

  32. BraveFart
    September 2, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    But, we’ll have to wait c 2 weeks to see. I sincerely hope the vote either way is decisive, but I fear it will be a narrow No, setting us up for years of bleating and demands for another referendum.

    The problem is that if its a No vote, no matter how decisive, the Yes campaign will find a reason why they lost, probably the English and Tories will get the blame, and will start all over again. As they Economist put it last week, using Quebec as a template, now that its started it will become a Neverendum.

  33. Will they take that arsehole Cameron with them?
    Yes, please!
    Just fuck-off the whole lot of you!

  34. This will never end.
    If they vote No, it’ll be by a modest margin and the demands for another vote will start again.
    If they vote Yes and then fuck it up, the rest of the UK will have to bail them out, and if they don’t fuck it up they’ll feel strong and come back for more.

  35. I think Scottish independence will re-energize English identity. It seems to me that all the smaller bits of UK call themselves, Scots, Welsh etc, but the average English person would say British first, not English. Or that they live in UK not England.

    OK its anecdotal but thats how I see it.

    I think the tail has been wagging the dog for far too long, the sooner the Scots leave Westminster the better.

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