This’ll persuade them to stay, ho yus

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Labour to flood Scotland with MPs to save union – and their political future
More than 100 MPs and ministers will travel to Scotland between now and the date of the referendum on September 18

I’m pretty sure that Labour don’t have any minister at present but…..seriously, that crowd is to be used as evidence to stay?

I realise I’m a tad biased but 100 MPs of any party at all would be good evidence to me to leave whatever system they came from.

On to more important matters though. Does Miliboy actually gurn a great deal more than other politicians or is it picture editors making fun of him through their selections?

31 comments on “This’ll persuade them to stay, ho yus

  1. Pretty sure Labour have ministers in Wales. Though who will be convinced by Carewyn Jones I don’t know.

  2. I feel a sudden urge to vote for Independence. Or I would if I didn’t know that everyone in the Scottish Parliament is worse than Miliband.

    Scotland must be one of those rare places the biggest turds have not floated to the top.

  3. SMFS,

    “I feel a sudden urge to vote for Independence. Or I would if I didn’t know that everyone in the Scottish Parliament is worse than Miliband.”

    Exactly. When Gordon Brown is the better option, when everyone from Tories to Paul Krugman is saying this is a bad idea, it really is a bad idea.

    It’s funny listening to the SNP telling the people of Scotland about all the stuff they’ll still be able to do, like keep the BBC and travel to the UK without a passport, like they’ll have any power over the UKs border when they’re a separate country. It’s like telling your boss to shove his job, but still expecting to get invited to the Christmas party.

  4. No farm subsidies, no EU roads and bridges, no lovely renewable studies grants. No 30bn from England, 100,000 public sector jobs go back over the border. But you get to keep all the revenue from the oil. Problem is even at their optimistic end of the range you are still 25bn or so short – and having just doubled your unemployment rate. Cuba with drizzle indeed….

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  6. “Cuba with drizzle indeed….”

    But unlike Cuba, very easy to leave.

    One of the reasons why I think the union works is that culturally, the Scots and English aren’t that far apart. Sure, they drink more Irn Bru and support different sports teams, You’ll never be perfectly in tune, but it’s close enough to make one country.

    The problem with this for the Scots Nats is that it means that if they start ramping up the nationalism/socialism, people will quit and go south. It won’t be like going to France, where you have to learn another language, get used to how the French live and all that.

  7. The Scots are buying a lovely house in the Highlands.

    They don’t know quite where it is, they don’t know how many bedrooms it has, they don’t know whether it has running water, mains gas or electricity, whether it has sewers and they certainly haven’t the faintest idea how much it costs.

    But they have set their heart on it because the biggest estate agents in Scotland, Slamond, Liar and Tit say it’s really beautiful.

  8. David Moore
    September 9, 2014 at 6:17 am

    Doesn’t everyone know this is a Tory plot to get rid of Scotland?

    We’ve discussed that and it it were true all he would have to do is go up there and campaign for a No vote.

    The problem with this for the Scots Nats is that it means that if they start ramping up the nationalism/socialism, people will quit and go south. It won’t be like going to France, where you have to learn another language, get used to how the French live and all that.

    Another reason to hope for Yes vote. We get to continue offering a good market for all their highly qualified and highly motivated people and at the same time we can refuse benefits to the rest.

    The more I think about the consequences of a Yes vote the more I’m convinced it’s in rUK’s best interest.

    As a slight O/T I’m also deeply pissed off that the current establishment can pull all this devo max crap out of the hat without so much as a by your leave nod to the rest of us.

  9. BwaB – I am with you entirely. I thought ‘devo max’ was ruled out initially, so how does Brown (of all people!) get to bring it back?

  10. Certain people should never be elected party leader due to strange looks, demeanour, speech etc. They just don’t look or sound credible for a position in a powerful office of state. Miliband is one. Ian Duncan Smith was another.

    Mind, Miliband suffers more of these defects than most, so is a particularly ridiculous choice for an aspiring PM – one might almost think the Labour party/unions had a death wish in selecting him.

  11. Will they vote Yes? We can but dream. If they do, it is seriously bad news for Labour, who can expect to be eradicated in Scotland in the Holyrood and general elections next year. Labour then a spent force in England unless they relearn Blairism. Ouchy. It may be all up for Cameron too, of, course. Hey ho. Isn’t political fragmentation a wonderful spectator sport?

  12. “As a slight O/T I’m also deeply pissed off that the current establishment can pull all this devo max crap out of the hat without so much as a by your leave nod to the rest of us.”
    Seething, seems to be most peoples reaction to this further act of capitulation from Cameron & Darling around these parts.

  13. BwaB,

    The more I think about the consequences of a Yes vote the more I’m convinced it’s in rUK’s best interest.

    As a slight O/T I’m also deeply pissed off that the current establishment can pull all this devo max crap out of the hat without so much as a by your leave nod to the rest of us.

    To be honest, if Scotland went full North Korea, would anyone miss it? I mean, I’ve done a little work up there, but even then, it was for offices of UK companies. I’ve not holidayed there, and not bothered about doing so. I’d miss the whisky, but it’s not like you can’t make malt whisky down here. There’s Tunnock’s tea cakes I suppose.

    I don’t think Scotland has any idea how much they’re a junior partner in the union, how much they depend on England rather than the other way around, or even that there could be a backlash of English nationalism.

    As far as the Devo Max, it won’t make any difference. I think anyone in Scotland who views government as an organisation for emptying the bins is already a No voter. The Yes campaign is kilts, pipes and Braveheart. Everything about them has the same roots of fascism as Venezuela, Zimbabwe and the BNP: appeal to nationalism, ramp up socialism and the state, and find a bogeyman to blame their ills on.

  14. Don’t worry about the whisky. Japan has plenty of brands and styles, and will be perfectly happy to supply the market. I happen to have a Nikka Black in front of me. Bottom of the range blended whisky, and nothing wrong about that.

    Price for a bottle of whisky here starts at about 800 Yen. Call it 4 pounds 70p. Do I miss the UK? Yes. Will I return? Not if I can help it.

  15. @ Rob

    Thatcher. The dead aul’ crone is good for at least 30 more years of being the cause of all ills.

  16. Many Scots seem to believe it is perfectly OK to still hate and despise the Tories for having Thatcher as leader more than 20 years ago.

    At the risk of Godwin, is it ok for people to still hate and despise the Germans and Japanese for what they did more than 70 years ago? I personally know several pensioners who do, yet they get denounced as racists and xenophobes if they dare to say this out loud.

  17. I’m conflicted. I truly want all those ‘Yes’ dickheads to just vote yes and go go go. I know they won’t of course, because teenagers always change their minds at the last minute (the press is full of lost souls who were thrown out of the family home by evil parents. Well I’m on the side of the parent.)

    On the other hand I cannot forget that Scotland is the home of the type of Scotsman that I actually get to meet and know; the likes of GlenDorran, BraveFart and SE.

  18. @Ironman ‘On the other hand I cannot forget that Scotland is the home of the type of Scotsman that I actually get to meet and know; the likes of GlenDorran, BraveFart and SE.’

    Nothing stopping you continuing to meet and know those guys. In fact, if they vote yes the North west will be flooded with loads more of them in the next decade or so!

  19. I wonder if I should be trying to cultivate a Geordie accent so that I can slip across the border sometime in 2015 in the event of dire results from a yes vote?

    I seem to remember their favourite song being

    “Tha will buy a fishie on a little dishie, tha will buy a fishie when the boat comes in”???

  20. Just heard on Swiss radio Labour’s latest argument – if Scotland leaves, it’ll be hard for Lab to gain a majority in Westminster.

    We all knew this was Lab’s reason, but if they think it’s a good argument to bring, they’ve lost the plot.

    In summary> Scots, vote NO so that we can be in power in England….

  21. There is something I don’t understand about all of this.

    All the press talk about is what Salmond wants, what Salmond is going to do, how Salmond is going to deliver free pizza, etc, if the vote is a yes.

    For Scots who want to vote yes, surely Salmond is simply a means to an end, and nothing more?

    Once they have voted yes, can’t they simply plonk him in the nearest extra sized wheelie bin and move on – and vote for whatever party they want at the next Holyrood elections; and which will then determine how Scotland will start to shape its future?

    OK, they have to put up with him for the exit negotiation with rUK (as the SNP currently has a majority at Holyrood), but surely then that is it?

    For example, who gives a damn if Salmon wants a Trident free Scotland. After the next Holyrood elections, it might be Labour (or more likely a Coalition) taking those kind of decisions.

    Ie, could they – as a legitimate Scottish government – not simply reverse anything that Salmond had waffled on about during the exit process?

    What am I missing?

  22. PF:

    You are absolutely right; the referendum is on independence and not on the White Paper.

    The problem is that Salmond has written a dream paper for all the left-wingers and that is why so many of them are voting Yes. They are imagining some Back To The Future style Scotland, only it’s 1983 not 1955 and it’s Michael Foot, not J. Fox.

  23. The more I think about the consequences of a Yes vote the more I’m convinced it’s in rUK’s best interest.”
    Which was precisely our situation in Canada a few years back, when the Quebec nationalists were holding their referendum. Since they tried a couple of times to get the result they wanted, the process was popularly known as the “neverendum.” Didn’t manage to get what they wanted, which avoided lots of acrimony I suppose.

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