21 comments on “You’re not making any friends here mate

  1. If freedom of expression can be sacrificed for criminalising incitement & hatred, Why not for insulting the Prophet of Allah?

    He has got a point. After all Blair promised to make that sort of thing illegal. If not for the old pre-Blaired House of Lords, it would have been.

    All he has to do now is wait. And it will be.

    The British are unwilling to protect their own daughters. They are like the Moriori as the Maori went around, killing the men, castrating the boys, taking their women as slaves. People who won’t protect themselves end up in the dustbin of history. So it doesn’t matter if he makes friends or not.

  2. I heard some bint on Radio 4 stating how Christianity used to be protected by blasphemy laws and that that law no longer exists. What she did not mention was that the new laws about “hatred” have taken their place and as far as Islam is concerned, it is the most protected and “respected” religion of all.

  3. People who won’t protect themselves end up in the dustbin of history.

    It’s worse than that: people aren’t allowed to protect themselves these days. At least if a marauding Maori had ended up with an iron spike through his skull, the chief Moriori wouldn’t have had the perpetrator arrested.

  4. The question is legitimate (the timing perhaps less so). The answer is that none of it should be illegal.

  5. Tim Newman – “It’s worse than that: people aren’t allowed to protect themselves these days.”

    Let’s hear it for France’s gun laws. Good thing they had those. God knows how bad it would have been if the French government hadn’t denied these people the ability to defend themselves and then failed to protect them properly.

    “At least if a marauding Maori had ended up with an iron spike through his skull, the chief Moriori wouldn’t have had the perpetrator arrested.”

    And prosecuted for hate crimes too these days.

  6. Rob – “Hasn’t done him any harm getting on the BBC. Maybe he has friends there.”

    No doubt he will have pride of place on Comment is Free tomorrow. Pointing out that it is all Blair’s fault because if religious vilification laws were in place, these nice Muslim boys wouldn’t be forced, forced I tell you, to take things in their own hands.

  7. At least they can’t blame this on the Iraq War. The French, the fools, though they could avoid all this so long as they painted the Yanks and the Brits as the bad guys.

  8. Even substituting by for for in his tweet, this makes no sense on the face of it. But then the guy’s a lawyer, so only the initiates are supposed to get the message that the gun is mightier than the pen.

    I can’t say that Charlie Hebdo is my cup of tea. The humour is so juvenile that the murderers should be done for infanticide. But I’ll be buying it this weekend.

  9. The really scary thing about all this is that the practice of shutting out negative comment, shutting down legitimate debate, is now so widespread and accepted by so many who would rule by PC, that we are in danger of accepting serious curbs on freedom because many people now think its right right that we should.

  10. Who have the above 15 or so commentators voted for over the last 10 years? I bet about 14 of them voted for one of the three pro-mass immigration pro-PC parties, i.e. Lib, Lab or Con, rather than one of those wicked un-PC “far right” parties.

    You’ve got what you voted for folks: the Islamisation of Europe. Still the tables might at last be turning with the rise of UKIP.

  11. Who have the above 15 or so commentators voted for over the last 10 years?

    For my part, I’ve barely lived in democracies, let alone functioning ones where I am allowed to vote. Had I the choice, I’d vote for a party that, among other things, encouraged immigration of educated, civilized people who were deemed to be a benefit to society and told the rest to fuck off.

  12. Wot Snag said.

    He’s right. If it’s ok to prosecute someone for refusing to decorate a Gay Pride cake, then it must be ok to prosecute someone who defies the wishes of a sky fairy.

    Obviously, if one were some kind of crazy right-wing libertarian fundamentalist nutter then one might suggest that nobody should ever be prosecuted for refusing to decorate a cake, or for upsetting some cult members.. but let’s not be silly here!

  13. He doesn’t want to make friends. He’s preaching to the choir and those hovering in their very near vicinity.

  14. > Who have the above 15 or so commentators voted for over the last 10 years?

    I voted Labour when I lived in Glasgow, but I wasn’t voting for them; I was voting against the SNP. Also, my local MP was Mohammed Sarwar, a good man with form for pissing off both the Islamists and the racist wing of Scottish Labour. I have no regrets. Politics is about voting for the least shitty option; we rarely get to vote for an actual good choice.

    In NI, I’ve voted for Sylvia Herman, the ex-UUP independent, who is a good MP who gives a damn about her constituents and works her arse off for them, and who wasn’t committing expenses fraud. In the last EU elections, I voted UKIP.

    > You’ve got what you voted for folks

    Not really. Party politics is about coalition and compromise. You’re supposed to hold your nose when you vote.

  15. If you voted for compromise, SQ2, you certainly got what you voted for.. It’d be hard to think of anything more compromised than the three main parties, the last few years.

  16. “Still the tables might at last be turning with the rise of UKIP.”

    I wouldn’t bank on it. What are UKIP going to do with Islam already well established and growing quickly in this country?

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