So Miliboy really is a fascist then

21st-century technical education bill
This would deliver compulsory work experience for teenagers;


Everyone
must be a slave!

Being slightly more serious the 10 bills that he’s offering all seem pretty dickish.

Strong economic foundation bill
This would set out new rules to get the deficit down and debt to fall as soon as possible in the next parliament. It would implement a mansion tax and a tobacco levy to fund the NHS, and introduce plans for the Office of Budget Responsibility to audit all the main parties’ manifestos.

So that state bureaucracy gets to vet the appeals to voters of those who would go on to run the state bureaucracy?

Energy freeze bill
A bill to freeze energy prices until 2017. The bill would also give the regulator the power to cut prices

Yeah, like price fixing works, eh?

Make work pay bill
The make work pay bill would ban exploitative zero-hours contracts, and make it illegal to use agency workers to undercut the wages of employees. It would set a new framework for the low pay commission, so that the national minimum wage rises to at least £8 an hour by October 2019, and introduce new make work pay contracts to give a tax rebate to employers that sign up to become living-wage employers in the first year of a Labour government.

Why not raise the personal allowance for income tax so that the minimum wage is that living wage?

Stronger families bill
This would contain measures to increase free childcare for working parents of three- and four-year-olds to 25 hours a week, funded by an increase in the bank levy,

The bank levy is a Pigou Tax. There to correct a market imperfection. Not as a revenue raiser to be raided for whatever.

NHS time to care bill
This bill would repeal the market framework for the NHS and guarantee GP appointments within 48 hours, or on the same day for those who need it.

NHS Wales and NHS Scotland are less market orientated than NHS England. And work worse.

Immigration and exploitation bill
This would make it illegal for employers to undercut wages by exploiting workers,

Eh? Define exploit.

Tuition fees reduction bill
This would cut tuition fees to £6,000 and increase the student maintenance grant by £400.

Why? Why shouldn’t those who will benefit from a degree pay for getting a degree?

44 comments on “So Miliboy really is a fascist then

  1. Milliband is a product of a parallel universe driven by the power of wishful thinking, fuelled by social justice in which there are no unintended consequences (this would explain why he chokes on a sarnie and the nanny gets the decent kitchen: the family sups on moonbeams in the photoop one).

  2. New technical degrees at university

    What an arsewipe. If he wants degrees that are really only diplomas, why doesn’t he open seperate institutions rather than further dumb down universities? He could call them, oh I don’t know, how about Polytechnical Colleges?

  3. He, like Ritchie, lives in a world composed entirely of first-order effects.

    Second order effects are never to be anticipated, and are thus always the fault of the rich, the banksters, exploitative employers or whatever is the lefty bête noir du jour.

  4. JuliaM,

    Well, there’s already the thing of schools sending kids out on work experience. Most of which is an utter waste of time because you can’t just put a kid in front of a large repository of C# code and get them to work it, or even put them on the call centre. These jobs require some training or specialised education. You can’t have them seeing marketing campaigns or product launches as that’s commercially sensitive.

    It probably worked in the era of men bashing metal. You could get a kid to screw some bumpers onto Austin Marinas. But when those are fixed on by a robot, not so much.

  5. Morris Marinas, surely. But you are right. If these people hailed from the real world order, we may get some realistic policy promises instead of this ‘populist’ crap.

  6. In favour of compulsory work experience, but against zero-hours contracts? Isn’t that a little incoherent?

  7. The bank levy is a Pigou Tax. There to correct a market imperfection. Not as a revenue raiser to be raided for whatever.

    This is the thing I can’t figure out about Tim W. He’s obviously a clever chap, and yet seems to actually believe that any tax in the real world is a Pigou Tax. This kind of naivety is almost charming.

    and a tobacco levy

    Talking of which, aren’t smokers already paying far, far above “Pigou Level”?

    Taxation- by any party is a system in which tax is levied on those deemed unable to avoid paying and who are unlikely to vote for that party, to purchase votes from those who do.

  8. abacab,

    “He, like Ritchie, lives in a world composed entirely of first-order effects.”

    This “sin tax” on tobacco companies will just see them fuck off elsewhere, won’t it? Plenty of parts of the world that would welcome BAT and many of their highly skilled jobs with open arms.

  9. Who is going to provide this ‘work experience’?

    People with two kitchens. It will take place in the below stairs one.

  10. Depressing to think that these policies will have been focus grouped to death for their popularity. Are the English that thick now?

  11. “…yet seems to actually believe that any tax in the real world is a Pigou tax.”

    No, Tim Worstall has said on numerous occasions that Pigou taxes, seemingly inevitably, get seized upon as easy revenue – raising measures.

  12. And yet he continually advocates them. If you advocate X knowing Y will be the inevitable result, it’s pointless complaining about Y.

    And even the idealised Pigou tax is a stupid idea anyway.

  13. “This would … increase the student maintenance grant by £400.” That’s the student grant that Tony Blair said Labour would preserve, only to abolish it as soon as they took office. That grant?

    Here we are, from the Tel:
    “David Blunkett, the Labour Education Secretary, announces the introduction of £1,000 tuition fees to be paid by every student in each year of study, beginning in September 1998. The student grant of £1,710 is abolished to be replaced by means-tested student loans.”

  14. It is all moronic garbage but the energy bullshit is the most enraging. Prices are to be frozen by the same green-sucking twat who put them up in the first place to pay for piddle-power?

  15. “NHS time to care bill
    This bill would repeal the market framework for the NHS and guarantee GP appointments within 48 hours, or on the same day for those who need it.”

    So won’t everyone demand one on the same day? How will ‘need’ be determined before you’ve even seen the doctor? Let me guess – favoured groups first, regardless of actual need?

    The great thing about targets though is that no one gives a shit if you miss them, even if you miss by miles. What are the consequences for Milliband if he breaks this ‘promise’? None whatsoever.

  16. Ecks-

    That’s because the sole purpose of modern government is to create problems which it then takes credit for “addressing”.

  17. >it probably worked in the era of men bashing metal. You could get a kid to screw some bumpers onto Austin Marinas. But when those are fixed on by a robot, not so much.

    Speaking as a professional metal basher, we have kids in on work experience regularly. I usually look after them, as I quite like explaining stuff to them, and have the patience of the proverbial saint (certainly compared to the rest of our lads).

    They have convinced my that our education system is petty dysfunctional – they usually can’t add up, estimate (especially in imperial measurement, which is often how the world still works in realty), mark out stuff using basic geometry, or be trusted to do what you tell them.

    I let them do all kinds of things using dangerous kit (how many of you would want to stand near a 14year old holding a ferociously powerful gas torch heating large sections of metal to ~1000deg c ), although if anything ever went wrong I (and my boss) would be kicked from here to the moon and back. It’s clear most of them have never been allowed near anything more dangerous than a screwdriver before…
    If we didn’t do this, about all they would be allowed to do is brush the floor and make tea. (I.e what most work experience consists of).

    Oh, and most of them are arrogant little so and so’s around whom the universe should revolve.

  18. Strong economic foundation bill

    The ‘Ed Balls Is Going To Steal Your Pension’ Bill

    Energy freeze bill

    The Brownouts Bill.

    Make work pay bill

    The Make Low Paid Jobs Illegal Bill

    Stronger families bill

    The ‘Let Strangers Raise Your Children’ Bill

    NHS time to care bill

    And by ‘care’ we mean like the Liverpool Care Pathway

    Immigration and exploitation bill

    The ‘I Can’t Believe It Used To Be Britain’ Bill

    Tuition fees reduction bill

    The Jazz Hands Bill

    21st-century technical education bill

    YTS 2000.

    Anti-tax avoidance finance bill

    The Economic Activity Reduction Bill

    More homes and fair rents bill

    The More homes and fair rents and a pony Bill.

  19. DocBud – “He could call them, oh I don’t know, how about Polytechnical Colleges?”

    He needn’t go that far. He could call them Technical or Secondary Moderns.

  20. “make it illegal to use agency workers to undercut the wages of employees”

    In what business model is it cheaper to use agency workers rather than FTE other than when a bit of flexibility is needed?

  21. I can’t believe this pansy might be our next PM:

    When asked if he had ever cried over a film, Red Ed said: “Have you seen Pride? It’s about the lesbian and gay communities in London and they go and help the miners in Wales.

    “Justine and I watched it recently. I blubbed.”

    What a fanny. Can you imagine Maggie, Winston, Wilson or even John Major behaving like that? Note to Ed: gay men don’t like simpering wimps either.

    And this is why I’ve been telling people: bring back bullying. It served to keep the soft boys in their place. Which is horrible, I know, but it’s nature’s way.

    I might have to vote Tory again just to help keep this gurning clown away from Downing Street. What a shite state of affairs.

  22. “This bill would repeal the market framework for the NHS and guarantee GP appointments within 48 hours, or on the same day for those who need it.”

    We have been here before ten years ago, complete with Tony Blair on Question Time looking perplexed when told by a person in the audience that their surgery achieved a 48hr target by simply not allowing appointments more than 48hrs ahead.

    The Labour leader said he was “astonished” when the complaint was raised by a woman on BBC Question Time.

  23. On the mess that Labour, (and Miliband in particular), the Liberals, (and Huhne and Davey in particular), and the Conservatives, (and Cameron in particular), have made and are continuing to make of our energy supply infrastructure, I really am quite annoyed with Nigel and his chums for not banging on about it constantly.

    There are two areas that cry out for a vociferous campaign:

    1) The greenie mess that lib/lab/con are making of energy policy will mean that the voters will get intermitant and very expensive energy supply and if their meddling continues for another year, let alone for the next five years, the consequences will take a long time and a lot of money to put right. We will have to live with a crap energy infrastructure for a decade or more.

    2) One of the main reasons Australia shook off the green climate change yoke was that a lot of people kept asking the question: “What difference will our sacrifice make?”

    If Nigel and his pals were to keep asking the question: “If Britain follows the precepts of the ridiculous Climate Change Act to the letter, then what difference will the destruction of our economy make to the global temperature in ten years, a hundred years or a thousand years?”

    Given that the honest answer to that question is ‘a small smidgeon of fuck all’ and that the warmists can only stutter about ‘setting an example’ then it ought to be a big vote winner for UKIP.

  24. I might have to vote Tory again just to help keep this gurning clown away from Downing Street. What a shite state of affairs.

    Theo, it’s working! 😉

  25. PF – I know, right? Theo will probably invite me to his bowling club now.

    Haven’t made up my mind yet but I voted UKIP in the Euros and Tory in the local elections. My MP is actually a sound bloke who hates Cameron’s guts and votes against eco-wank so…

  26. @Steve: May 2, 2015 at 11:37 am

    I think that it might be more concisely described as –

    (Please, please,please vote for me) x 10.

  27. Kevin B. I’ve been wondering the same thing. It should be a shoe in for Nigel as he wants to repeal the act anyway, to draw peoples attention to the elephant in the room, and the cost to them of supporting any other party that tacitly supports it.

  28. If you vote Tory, you’re voting for the extension of the Progressive Left regime. Bigger government, fewer rights, more laws, no chance of a change.

    And Polly Toynbee saying that “people don’t vote for non-progressive parties”.

    Vote Tory, you’re supporting Polly Toynbee. Don’t do it.

  29. Steve,

    You’re spot on in that it comes down to individual MPs. And if yours is a good one, and ignores the whips when sensible, you’re lucky.

    Mine’s wet, and far too safe. And also, whatever he is, I would prefer his visible electoral threat to come from his right (to dissuade him from dribbling) rather than from his left (which might otherwise encourage him).

  30. dearieme, uni class of 2012, had a decent student grant plus student loan plus tuition fees loan. Grant was around £3k a year.
    The loans will eventually be written off so really those were also grants.

  31. PF: “Theo, it’s working!”

    More joy in heaven…etc

    Steve: I don’t even know how to play bowls. Nor do I smoke a pipe or wear cardigans.

    IanB: Vote Tory and support Polly Toynbee? Your non sequiturs just plumbed new depths of irrationality!

  32. Hmmm. On the student fee thing (and speaking as one of the last recipients of a maintenance grant of any sort, which theprole will be delighted to know puts me squarely in the only generation to be reasonably comfortable using both imperial and metric measures), I’d say that you have some form of market failure in play when people with no income are made to stare down the barrel of £30k upwards in debt to start their lives with.

    Introducing tuition fees clearly hasn’t led to a reduction in popularity of the various Jolyon and Jemima degrees, let alone meejah studies and golf course management (B.Sc.) so the fees aren’t nudging people towards sensible choices. My own largely science track was, as I was young and idealistic at the time, chosen for idealistic rather than economic reasons.

    And since fees basically mean those with rich parents won’t think at all but those without (but who might benefit from an eductation) will think three times, we have a problem. So by all means have fees, but have a proper market rather than fixing (oops, sorry, “capping”) fees, and a generous, tax-funded, bursary scheme for those who can’t afford it. Even the USA with its largely private higher education system has got that bit right.

  33. “dearieme, uni class of 2012, had a decent student grant plus student loan plus tuition fees loan. Grant was around £3k a year.” Jolly good. What’s your point?

  34. The grant was not abolished? Because still being given.

    And what student cares about £30k debt that is not debt? It has apparently not made a negative impact on people wanting to go uni. Whether golf course management – which a few years back had a large employment result in the field – or something less focused like history or chemistry.

  35. @ BiND

    “In what business model is it cheaper to use agency workers rather than FTE other than when a bit of flexibility is needed?”

    The one that the public sector uses.. with the. 15-20% pension contributions etc.

    Also, in some ‘micro’ concerns it makes sense to buy an ‘all inclusive’ unit of labour rather than run a payroll. E.g. all those people who control their own disability care budgets.

    If someone could show a split of the use of agencies and zero-hours between bastard capitalists and those directly and indirectly engaged by the state, I reckon it would get a whole lot of people to shut up.

  36. In what business model is it cheaper to use agency workers rather than FTE other than when a bit of flexibility is needed?

    The one that the public sector uses.. with the. 15-20% pension contributions etc.

    I’ve seen this too. Agency contractors (operating full time) clearly cheaper than equivalent public sector employees (and public sector payscales) who would otherwise have been doing the job. This was low skill work.

  37. In fairness Ed Miliband is not likely to be a Fascist. The Fascists got the trains to run on time.

  38. I’d say that you have some form of market failure in play when people with no income are made to stare down the barrel of £30k upwards in debt to start their lives with.

    Market failure?

    Who, in a free market, would lend 30k to a teenager to take a Tarantino Studies degree, unless they paid an insane amount of interest to cover those who’d never earn enough to pay it back?

    In a free market, very few people would have degrees, and those who did would mostly take them after they’d been working a few years and realized they needed to. Of course, kids would also leave school much earlier than they do today, and could actually be doing something useful until then.

    Extended schooling (got to keep teachers employed, and the kids off the unemployment numbers) and the credentialism it’s created has caused huge harm over the last few decades. That’s why kids have to borrow 30k to get a worthless degree so they’ll be considered qualified to get a job flinging coffee in Starbucks. It has absolutely nothing to do with ‘market failure’.

  39. Perhaps we should clarify things in that this is a market failure but not a free market failure. The State is a market too (just as state debt is a market) and this is a failure of the state market.

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