The gays are no longer gay


Hockney said in an interview that too many gay men were determined to lead ‘ordinary’ lives by entering into civil partnerships and having children through adoption or surrogate mothers.

“They want to be ordinary – they want to fit in,” said Hockney, “Well I don’t care about that. I don’t care about fitting in. Everywhere is so conservative.”

There’s about as many heterosexual libertines and Bohemians out there as there ever were. Would imagine the same is true of Teh Gayers. It’s just that we know also see the population of gys that are not Bohemians or libertines, as we used not to.

It’s rather amusing really, quite how conservative (very small c conservative there) human society is. Those formerly outcast from polite society are flocking to get married just as soon as they’re allowed to. Rather puts the lie to the idea that there’s something unnatural about marriage (or the pair bond if you like).

9 comments on “The gays are no longer gay

  1. There’s about as many heterosexual libertines and Bohemians out there as there ever were.

    No there are not. There are a lot more. We know this. Britain did not have the vast ocean of dysfunctional single mother families it used to. There are a lot of heterosexual males who are getting around a lot more. Indeed this blog is full of people who would have been demi monde two generations ago.

    It’s just that we know also see the population of gys that are not Bohemians or libertines, as we used not to.

    No we don’t because there is no such large population of non-Bohemian Gays. What we have always had is Gay people who get old. Gays are the greatest body fascists on the planet. They do not, on the whole, like fat middle aged spread. So Gay people live lonely lives in old age, by and large. They always have. What we have is an old Gay man who can still afford to keep a younger man. That is not necessarily true of all his contemporaries. Especially the younger Gays of San Francisco that cannot afford to live there any more.

    Those formerly outcast from polite society are flocking to get married just as soon as they’re allowed to. Rather puts the lie to the idea that there’s something unnatural about marriage (or the pair bond if you like).

    Except there is no rush to get married from the Gay community. Marriage is unnatural for men and Gay men have no interest in trying it. The massive pent up demand for marriage from the Gay community is next to nothing. They were outcast and not interested in marrying. They are “incast” and still not interested in marrying.

  2. “They want to be ordinary – they want to fit in,” said Hockney, “Well I don’t care about that. I don’t care about fitting in. Everywhere is so conservative.”

    This often catches people by surprise – apart from the 1-2% who really can not fit in to society and are seriously different, the rest are just plain humans with various proclivities.

  3. Doug – “This often catches people by surprise – apart from the 1-2% who really can not fit in to society and are seriously different, the rest are just plain humans with various proclivities.”

    When Civil Partnerships became available there was a rush to form them. 18,000 in the first year. Then numbers dropped back to a fairly stable 6,000 or so every year.

    We have not had enough time for Gay marriage, but given no one much wanted it, and it was just an excuse to bully heterosexual people, it is unlikely to be popular. So far the evidence seems to be that Gay people don’t care to get married:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/marriages-in-england-and-wales–provisional-/for-same-sex-couples-q1-and-q2-2014/sty-same-sex-marriages.html

    A total of 1,409 marriages were formed between same sex couples between 29 March and 30 June 2014. Of these, 56% of marriages were to female couples (796 marriages) while 44% were to male couples (613 marriages). Over the three day period from 29 March to 31 March 2014 there were 95 marriages of same sex couples. There were 351 marriages in April, 465 in May and 498 in June (Figure 1).

    Let’s be generous and say there would be about 6,000 Gay marriages in the first year and it will probably decline from there.

    The British population is quite large. Depending on which Gay lobby group you believe, there are something like 3-5 million Gay people in these bless’d isles. That is, Gay marriage is of no interest whatsoever to the Gay community except as a means to bully non-Gays.

    Gay people do not share proclivities with non-Gay people – or more accurately they take features in common with heterosexual people but push them to extremes. So domestic violence is much greater in lesbian couples as well as in Gay ones. So is “marital” rape. These people are not just like us.

  4. @SMFS

    ‘Gay people do not share proclivities with non-Gay people’

    I was using ‘proclivities’ as exactly this. For sex, some like this, some like that… though I wasn’t including marital rape and domestic violence in the term. Maybe they are proclivities for a reasonably large amount people. I have no idea.

  5. As a member of Team Pink, I can only say that the desire to be ‘normal’ (as in not differ in attitudes or behaviours significantly outside the societal norm) is coded deep within all humans and it takes a great deal to be a genuine outsider.

    Just because your loins are stirred by Jeremy, but not Jenny doesn’t change the fact that most folks want the usual trappings of domesticity, nice house, good job, financial security, etc., etc.,…

    The fact that it makes people boring rather than those who risked criminality prior to the legalisation of homosexuality or social exclusion prior to the millennium just goes to show how much society has changed rather than how your average faggot has changed.

    There is no doubt that we are living in a more tolerant society and consequently what would have been a badge of shame decades ago has become just another attribute, like who you vote for or which supermarket you shop at.

  6. John Galt – “Just because your loins are stirred by Jeremy, but not Jenny doesn’t change the fact that most folks want the usual trappings of domesticity, nice house, good job, financial security, etc., etc.,…”

    Doesn’t it? Why do you think that? Marriage is a serious restraint on male sexual behavior. That Gay men do not have to put up with. That forces men to work long hours in jobs they do not like so they can buy their wives those nice houses, with all the usual trapping of domesticity. There is still precisely no evidence Gay men are buying into this.

    “There is no doubt that we are living in a more tolerant society”

    More tolerant of out Gays. Not more tolerant in general.

  7. There is still precisely no evidence Gay men are buying into this.

    So all those photographs of gay men emerging from UK Registry Offices in their best morning suits are all faked?

    Admittedly, they might be stupid for getting hitched with no real need to do so, but that doesn’t seem to be stopping them.

    I personally couldn’t give a flying fuck about gay marriage, but if some poor schlep wants to bind himself in a mutual contract with some other poor schlep then I’m not going to stop him.

    Gay people have the same rights to live in married misery as the rest of the population.

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