Well Laurie

Last night Miss Penny, of London, said she did not realise that the George Cross awarded to Malta was different to the medal awarded to her grandmother.

She said: ‘The George Cross was awarded to the island of Malta, and my grandmother got a special commemorative medal. I didn’t realise the distinction and made a mistake. That does not give anyone the right to abuse me or my family.’

Actually, this does give us the right to abuse you for being an ignorant git.

Not that I’m biased or anything being the grandson of someone who did receive such a gallantry medal in that war (GM from memory, could have been Albert or Edward, wasn’t GC). A GP in Birmingham who operated on people trapped in burning basements, delivered children in the collapsing shells of bombed houses.

57 comments on “Well Laurie

  1. What a fucking stupid idiot. Didn’t she learn any history?

    What makes it even worse was her arrogant insistence that she was right, despite many pointing out the error.

    It’s ok though, fact checking isn’t that important. It’s not like she’s now teaching people about journalism or anything.

  2. Ignorance of history is an essential component of the lefty armoury.

    That way you don’t have to explain why you support a doctrine that, from East Germany to the East of Glagow, has ruined people’s lives.

  3. Laurie Penny: “The Tories are all evil psychopathic baby-eating murderers and we should throw rocks at them. My gran got a GC so it’s ok”

    Internet: “You’re either ignorant or lying”

    Laurie Penny: “Don’t call me names!”

  4. It doesn’t matter whether Laurie learned any decent history or not, she lives in the Internet age and it takes seconds to do a bit of fact checking, its not like she would have had to trot of to the British Library of Imperial War Museum and spend a day trying to understand what it was all about.

    The worst of it is that graffiti implies that the women of WW2 were Tory scum, which I’m sure Laurie doesn’t agree with, or I’d at least hope so.

  5. Machiavelli,

    “Two words. Franklin Mint.”

    People forget just how many medals there were. And there’s nothing wrong with it, but there were literally millions of the War Medal 1939-45, the one you got for turning up and doing your job. My grandfather got one for feeding the troops.

  6. So, ignorant of history, strident, refusal to admit she was wrong, blames everything on everyone else….when does she stand for Parliament?

  7. Actually Penny, defending a cunt who defaced a war memorial absolutely gives us the right to abuse you.

  8. Thanks to Mach., Franklin Mint has just entered the lexicon of rhyming slang. Franklin Mint = stupid bint.

  9. Well, now I think I’ll claim to be a Nobel peace prize winner on the basis of the 2012 award. In fact, I think I’ll put it on my CV.

  10. I do love the way The Mail is putting the boot in, though:

    Hours later Miss Penny, who was privately educated at Brighton College before studying English at Oxford,

    I suspect somebody at the Mail has been waiting for this moment for a while.

  11. Glendorran
    “What a fucking stupid idiot. Didn’t she learn any history?”

    Of course not. She’s a Marxist. Facts are for oppressors. Penny and her mates were brought up in the Age of Rhetoric: The truth is what you can make somebody else believe.

  12. ‘That does not give anyone the right to abuse me or my family’.

    You had no right to bring your dead grandmother into this dispute, caused by one of your ideological peers vandalising a memorial to her and millions of others.

  13. In partial defence of Miss Penny, the award was made to her grandmother back when Laurie was still a child (depending on timing she’d have been somewhere between 5 and 8).

    Whilst we can only speculate as to exactly what she was told by her family, it would seem that the bit that stuck in her mind was ‘George Cross’ – and what child that age doesn’t want to think their relatives are actually heroes.

    She made it clear after she’d found the certificate (and probably read it properly for the first time) what is actually was.

    I haven’t though examined her timeline closely enough to know if she also issued a mea culpa together with the explanation.

    None of this excuses her defending those who vandalize war memorials however.

  14. On a tangential point, this post has reminded me of something I was pondering the other week.

    Laurie (and others of a similar ilk) are frequently acclaimed as good, even great writers. Yet all they do, week after week, is churn out relentlessly negative articles about anything and everything. Their only talent is coming up with ever more lurid and hyperbolic analogies for anyone slightly more right wing than them.

    What provoked this thought was that I saw a kingfisher for the first time last weekend. I’m not got any real interesting in twitching, but I was struck by just how incredible it was. When trying to describe it to my wife all I could come up with were incoherent variants of “it was fucking ace”.

    I tried to think how a great writer, I don’t know – Hemingway, would be able to put into words the beauty and wonder of nature.

    Then I contrast it with Laurie’s “evil Tories” schtick and it’s clear she’s just another grubby hack.

    /diversion over.

  15. Sorry Clarissa, but no.

    Civilian GCs are vanishingly rare. You would know about it in a family.

    She’s ignorant or a liar. Or both. Personally I think she’s behaved like the sort of Walter Mitty who dons an SAS beret and a chest full of medals and marches to the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday having been in the CCF for six months and deserves all the scorn and ridicule she’s been getting.

  16. GlenDorran

    Because she writes for the marginally more moronic Independent she doesn’t attract, I feel, the level of adulation accruing to Owen Jones, but its much the same schtick – to call her a journalist is really a breach of the trades description act – she’s a vicious, quite spiteful hatemonger who ought to be introduced to ‘Jihadi John’ sooner rather than later…

  17. Kingfishers are wonderfully beautiful: a sheen of colours flying by. When we last saw one we saw a mink on that same outing. We were mighty pleased.

    Mind you, Hemingway was an entirely inauthentic fraud, and a KGB man to boot. I read some as an adolescent: mainly it made me giggle.

  18. GlenDorran: “rivals the beauty of the Scarlet Tanager”

    I only wish I’d thought of it –but it is an advertising slogan from the 1930s. Which shows how far we have fallen.

  19. @ Dr C

    She probably just had no idea of the significance of a Geroge Cross. I know that I didn’t before reading this post.. because I have zero interest in military honours. I would guess that Laurie Penny shares that lack of interest. And therefore she’s a twat for trying to blag her way out of bother by referring to something she knew nothing about.

    Maybe she does deserve the scorn.. but you can bet yr ass that if a Telegraph sub had made the same mistake there’d still be a post about it here at Chez Timmy… but there’d not be anywhere near as much bile elsewhere.

    Penny is an attention-seeker.. when the angry mobs descend on her then it just gives her more ammo for her next piece about how horrible everyone is to women with opinions. She’s entitled not to care about war memorials.

    She just needs a good hard ignoring.

  20. “Kingfishers are wonderfully beautiful: a sheen of colours flying by. When we last saw one we saw a mink on that same outing”

    See, all I could come up with was “fucking ace”. And it was fucking ace.

    I regularly see mink on the Water of Leith.

    And Hemingway was the first name that came to mind. He’s not a favourite of mine, but you get the point.

  21. She’s entitled not to care about war memorials.

    She’s not entitled to boast about non-existent awards to relatives to gain credence and/or vicarious glory. DT subs would be scorned by TW and commenters here, but to a lesser extent because they wouldn’t be claiming vicarious credit/glory.

    She’s a liar and a fantasist. Not merely inaccurate but misleading. She deserves everything she gets, the thick, lying, vainglorious scumbag.

  22. TTG: “Maybe she does deserve the scorn.. but you can bet yr ass that if a Telegraph sub had made the same mistake …”

    We expect better of them. Well, we used to.

  23. Glen,

    God, yes, the endless left-wing circle-jerk of acclaiming the abilities of writers (and other artists) just because you agree with them. Some of The Guardian’s staff churn out the most turgid prose imaginable, an unreadable obstacular morass that takes real effort to wade through. And it is eagerly read by people who claim Mark Steyn can’t write. (To be fair, I find writers themselves don’t make this mistake. They appreciate good prose for its own sake. Usually.)

    Personally, I’m really getting into Kevin D Williamson. Agree or disagree, his sentences are a pleasure. Read this.

  24. oh come on you lot, I have no idea about British medals, other then a vague idea about what the VC is awarded for. This doesn’t mean I am an ignoramus worthy of abuse, it just means I am somebody under the age of 50 who didn’t study military history.

    I wouldn’t mind betting that 100 randomly selection right wingers under the age of 40 wouldn’t have any more of an idea about this than lefties, you really are silly trying to make this a left/right issue.

  25. Williamson makes me angry. As does vintage Krugman (the old essays, not today’s NYT columns). As Bargepole (the only one I’ve ever actually said this to face to face to), Alan Coren* and Bernard Levin** did. How dare those bastards be so good at it? There’s not a lot of them but there are some, who can play the keyboard as Hendrix did the guitar and damn it makes so so fucking jealous.

    * and ** are a cut above the others I mention but you get the point.

  26. oh come on you lot, I have no idea about British medals, other then a vague idea about what the VC is awarded for.

    You miss the point, señor.

    You are not a journalist, let alone one who teaches journalism, God help us. Nor are you claiming credit for a member of your family holding a (non-existent) award.

    She deserves the flak she’s had because:
    1 She, at the very least, didn’t check her facts, which is the job of a journalist
    2 She held a relative up as a human shield to deflect criticism of her vile justification of defacing a war memorial
    3 She bitched and moaned when called on it (as she did when she got ‘Starkeyed’)

    We hold her to a higher standard than joe public.

  27. Luis Enrique

    It’s not just that she didn’t know about the medals. It’s that she didn’t acknowledge her error when it was pointed out, and instead continued her name calling against others.

    Don’t forget, this is the woman who is happy to see rioting and destruction of property. She’s got history of supporting it and this weekend’s little escapade just continues that.

    She’s happy so see rocks thrown, fire extinguishers dropped from heights, shops looted and burned. But she’s got the cheek to complain that she gets abuse on Twitter?

    She needs to grow up.

  28. Luis Enrique

    Not studying military history is no excuse for not knowing what the George Cross is for. It is the 2nd highest UK award for bravery and it is for civilian action. That doesn’t exclude military personnel from receiving it, but it is not a military award.

    It is a left/right issue because a) socialists are thick as shit, b) socialists are wilfully ignorant cunts, and c) socialists are incapable of taking any initiative, instead preferring to wait for orders.

  29. Luis,

    Agreed: I know sod all about British medals. I would probably make the mistake Penny did, in a casual conversation. But, if I were a journalist, and if I were using the claim about the medal to make a specific point, in public, I’d check first. Penny didn’t check, and is now whining about how unfair it is for people to point that out.

    Sad that Oxford is now churning out not only fuckwits but thin-skinned whiny fuckwits.

  30. well look Lord knows I am no fan of Laurie – but if you mistakenly believe your grand got a george cross, you aren’t going to fact check your own beliefs before saying it. Whether she was right to bring her gran into it, I don’t know, but in her defence, she was just trying to push back against idea she was personally somehow not patriotic or whatever. And of course one should be quick to admit errors.

    bloke in japan, take a pill or see your therapist (of if you haven’t, get a therapist and some pills)

  31. BiJ is entirely correct in his assertions Zorro.

    The knowledge of medals is a touch Ian Allen obsessive for me but the daft cow should have checked. She already has a history of self-embarrassing gaffes and she might have learned from that.

  32. Sad that Oxford is now churning out not only fuckwits but thin-skinned whiny fuckwits.

    This.

  33. She probably just had no idea of the significance of a Geroge Cross. I know that I didn’t before reading this post.. because I have zero interest in military honours.

    The George Cross is a civilian honour. 😉

  34. It’s a civilian award but it’s also given to the military (cf Corporal Christopher Finney and Captain Robert Nairac)

  35. ersonally, I’m really getting into Kevin D Williamson. Agree or disagree, his sentences are a pleasure. Read this.

    Very good, thanks. I found it particularly amusing that there are a lot of places and terms in there which feature in Bluegrass songs. 🙂

  36. The difference, as I understand it, between the Victoria and George crosses, is that the VC is given for valour in the face of the enemy, and the GC for valour in circumstances of extreme danger (not necessarily military.)

  37. The only difference between the two is whether the enemy is present or not. both can be given to civilians or military, though for the VC the civilian must be “under military command”.

    Quite what they would do if a civilian decided of their own accord to have a pop at the enemy, I’m not sure.

    Anyone who reads a newspaper regularly should see the odd front page of a newly decorated VC and grasp the basics of this stuff. Though I guess if you are of Laurie Penny’s ilk you probably refuse to acknowledge the military and think anyone with a VC is probably a murderer.

  38. Dearieme, get with the times: You’ll Blow Your Mind When You Discovet What This Journalist Mistook Her Grandmother For.

  39. Luis Enrique – “oh come on you lot, I have no idea about British medals, other then a vague idea about what the VC is awarded for.”

    I don’t know much about medals and I am old enough to know and accept that a lot of what my family tells me is not strictly speaking true. But I also know that a lot of people, especially those who have won said medals or tried to, are touchy on the subject. I know that there is a whole class of people who claim to have medals when they don’t and this is massively resented.

    So if I do something that is deliberately provocative to the sort of people who care about medals, I better damn well make sure I get it right because I will be fact-checked with some attitude. But then I didn’t get to go to Harvard or wherever for special classes in advanced journalism.

    “This doesn’t mean I am an ignoramus worthy of abuse, it just means I am somebody under the age of 50 who didn’t study military history.”

    Must. Fight. Urge. To. Snark.

  40. SMfS Christ on a bike! I would have considered that as trolling on first reading. She / they, are deranged or truly suffering some sort of mental illness, especially given how dripping wet the Tory party is being able to cosy up with the limp Dems for a whole parliament.

  41. Jesus, that’s class.

    > Usually, I try to remain engaged with such people in the hope that I might be able to change their views through debate.

    Gosh, how generous. Personally, I remain engaged with people I disagree with because I actually know what the word “friend” means. Presumably this is because I’m an evil right-wing bastard.

    The Left has changed so much. My mother stood for Labour four times, is one of the loonies Kinnock tried (and failed) to purge from the party, supported the IRA and the wrong side in the Cold War, and is good friends with loads of Tories and various lords of the manor. This attitude — “I utterly disagree with you, you bastard. Let’s have a drink” — used to be normal. I moved from Left to Right because I changed my mind about what works. If (hypothetically) it turned out that the Old Left’s policies actually worked better than the Right’s at alleviating poverty and improving the world, I’d move back. But not to the New Left. Even if they were right about everything, they’d still be cunts.

  42. S2,

    The reality is that most normal people moved away from the left. They might still support Labour, but are more to the right of Labour – Blairites rather than Bennites.

    Me, I’m convinced that’s as much about technology as anything else. When you’ve got a motor car, you’ve got a lot more places you can go and work, at which point, you aren’t going to fight too hard for better wages where you work, you’re just going to apply for jobs elsewhere. When it costs almost nothing to send data around and it can be done at close to the speed of light, you lose the overheads that you had with outsourcing functions.

  43. Perhaps i’m being dense, but how is her argument even slightly advanced even if her Gran had won the GC ?

  44. It wasn’t, really. What she was attempting was, “You can’t accuse me of being disrespectful towards the women of WW2 because my gran won the GC and I respected her.” Pathetic.

  45. @ SMFS
    Must fight overwhelming urge to agree with you.
    It would break with tradition.
    I think that the guys who have won medals are generally less touchy than those who did not quite do so: having an inferior claim equality is less offensive than having an inferior claim superiority. A lot of guys deserved medals and didn’t get them because of a quota system.

  46. Deariemie

    So getting badly wounded as an ambulance driver in WW1 makes you not authentic. Nor does participating in the Spanish civil war. What makes you authentic?

  47. @S2

    ‘Personally, I’m really getting into Kevin D Williamson. Agree or disagree, his sentences are a pleasure. Read this.’

    He is an excellent writerm, the only reason post-Steyn to stick with the National Review.

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