Is Think Progress even worse than Salon?

Chancellor George Patton, the Chancellor of Oxford and a former governor of Hong Kong,

That’s interesting for an American general who died 70 odd years ago, isn’t it?

And then there’s this:

“I prefer land to n******,” Rhodes infamously said. “[T]he natives are like children. They are just emerging from barbarism…one should kill as many n****** as possible.”

And the writer actually links to the source of that quote. A satirical novel written by someone who despised Rhodes. It’s not even quoted as being what Rhodes said: it’s what one character says Rhodes said.

We’re going to hang a man for what a satirist spoofs them as saying?

30 comments on “Is Think Progress even worse than Salon?

  1. The entire thing could be entirely fabricated and it wouldn’t matter. The readers want a fairy story, not a news report.

  2. This fake quote is not the internet’s. Tim’s link is to a genuine biography (by Bernard Magubane), which quotes another biography (by Felix Gross), which quotes, without acknowledging it as fiction, a novella by Olive Schreiner, who knew Rhodes well. They fell out over Rhodes’ support for the infamous ‘Strop Bill’ which would have mandated the judicial flogging of native servants for minor breaches of duty.

  3. Are you sure about that?

    “Mr Hofmeyr, leader of the Bond, opposed it with the remark that he was not going to vote for a bill which made the lashing of his old coloured servant woman compulsory if she should be convicted of bringing him his coffee half an hour late.” (link)

    It was wrong either way, as you say, and it’s not surprising that many people are unenthusiastic about statues of a man who supported it.

  4. opposed it with the remark that he was not going to vote for a bill which made the lashing of his old coloured servant woman compulsory if she should be convicted of bringing him his coffee half an hour late.

    That doesn’t necessarily mean the bill would make lashing of his old coloured servant woman compulsory if she should be convicted of bringing him his coffee half an hour late.

    How many times do we hear contemporary commentators say “I’m not going to vote for X that will mean Y”, when X does not mean Y but the commentator is talking shite for effect? Lots, is the answer.

  5. The easiest way to find out for sure is to look at the bill. Unfortunately I cannot find a copy online.

  6. I cannot claim any familial link to Rhodes, but apparently Lloyd George knew my father, and father knew Lloyd George.

    I sang this often when young.

  7. If gay marriage is allowed, gay marriage will be compulsary, no!!!11!!!! foam froth gibber

    s/gay marriage/anything else/

  8. Interesting that opposing it he referred to the servant being convicted which would apply some sort of complaint/judicial process. I would be surprised if beating a servant (as in school type corporal punishment) in your own home wasn’t allowed or a blind eye was turned to it at that time anyway.

  9. It’s worth looking at the educational achievements of the bint who wrote that. (I ‘d link if I’d the vaguest how one copy/pastes an address line on these f****g Àndroid PsOS)
    Predictably, uni all the way. No doubt, so were the reference sources. FK why it’s thought worthwhile to attend one of these places. Makes one wonder where the drug trials killers in the other post were getting their data from. The Hash Cookbook?

  10. That quote sounds more like something from one of Chris Rock’s bits than something from Rhodes. Look out the media is coming.

  11. Chris Rock on the differences between black and nigger should be compulsory viewing in the unfortunate reality that we have to have diversity awareness classes.

    As should “Priscilla, Queen of the Desert”. Or a highlights version thereof.

  12. Educational “achievements”, you say?

    She is also a former NPR Kroc Fellow. Beenish earned an MPhil in Modern South Asian Studies from the University of Cambridge as a Fulbright Scholar to the United Kingdom and a B.A. from the University of Michigan

  13. BraveFart –
    …Lloyd George knew my father, and father knew Lloyd George.

    Well, Lloyd Cole knew my father, and Father knew Lloyd Cole. 🙂

  14. Think Progress is a useful barometer for gauging just how stupid America’s Democratic/liberal/progressive political class is at any given point. It’s run and staffed by Democratic Party operatives (Podesta and Legum) who move within the Obama/Clinton orbit, and given that, you’d think the product would be much, much better than it is. But it isn’t, and that’s because John Podesta is dumber than a sack of ball peen hammers.

    Whenever you end up saying “What the fuck?” to the latest Obama pronouncement stating we need only fear climate change, cancer and legally owned handguns, as opposed to Iran or ISIS, for example, just remember that John Podesta was standing at Obama’s side, saying “Yeah, that’s a good idea. We’ll wage war on cancer!”.

    Everyone knows Joan Walsh is a moron, but for some reason everyone assumes John Podesta is smart. As you can’t see that by reading the product vs. Salon, it would seem that Think Progress is worse than Salon.

  15. I don’t know if flogging one’s servants in the event of minor derelictions of duty should be made compulsory, as such, but it’s nice to know there is a certain incentive system to keep them on their toes. It starts with late coffee but left unchastised who knows where it will lead? I had to run one of my houseboys through with a cavalry sabre after I caught him pawning a pocket watch. So much better if he could have been soundly thrashed when he first started giving me some lip.

  16. It is all getting to the stage when universities should be banned.
    I can remember being warned that book learning was bad for you back in the 40s.
    Back to the land. And let the local squire do the clever stuff.
    Modern technology just invites people to put on airs.

  17. We’re going to hang a man for what a satirist spoofs them as saying?

    It is obvious what is motivating these attacks – homophobia!

    I think everyone in the campaign to remove the Rhodes statue ought to be ashamed of themselves. Trying to efface the history of one of Oxford’s many people of alternative sexuality. All through history LGBT people have been denied their rightful place, erased, ignored, reviled!

    It is time to stop!

    (Admittedly I don’t know where Rhodes was on that spectrum but I bet everyone protesting thinks he was well before the B)

  18. @ SJW
    I’ve read your link and it says compulsory on conviction – which will only occur if the “master” *chooses* to make a complaint *and* testify in court *and* the servant is convicted.
    So your own link supports my view.
    I sometimes wonder what people *really* have against Rhodes because all the stuff (except dry-as-dust explanations of the Rhodes scholarships) that I read is by people who clearly hate Rhodes and they all stick in accusations that don’t stand up to scrutiny. When homosexuality was illegal they claimed he *must* be gay because he didn’t marry (but didn’t say that of Sherlock Holmes) ignoring the impact of his ill-health and possibly mumps – now fangirls talk of a gay Holmes and scurrilous claims are made about Rhodes’ apocryphal bastards.

  19. @ SJW
    My point is that every time I read something about Rhodes (apart from, as I said, explanations of the scholarships) the big complaint is something that is incorrect – even yours is. So either you are all wrong and mesmerised by fibbers or you aren’t telling us the real reason why you hate him.

  20. What I wrote “…mandated the judicial flogging of native servants…” is correct. Everyone but you understands that a judicial sentence applies on conviction.

    What’s the real reason why you’re so anxious to try to split this invisibly thin hair?

  21. @ SJW
    Because I want an answer to my question.
    Also “They fell out over Rhodes’ support for the infamous ‘Strop Bill’ which would have mandated the judicial flogging of native servants for minor breaches of duty.” does not say anything about a trial or suggest that the master has an option not to report it. So it is a very thick hair, a couple of miles wide. BiCR is no-one according to you and Tim Newman and BniC felt it necessary to point out to you that punishment under the bill would only be on conviction.

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