My word this really is a surprise

a. A 2-year degree from the Community College of Denver in Dental Hygiene has an ROI of $612,991, which are the additional earnings a graduate can expect to earn over 20 years compared to a high school graduate. Average first-year wages are about $61,000 and the cost of the degree is less than $16,000.

b. A 4-year degree from the University of Colorado-Boulder in Women’s Studies has an ROI of only $173,545, at a cost of more than $92,000 and estimated first-year earnings of only $23,461.

Actually, I’m amazed here. The Women’s Studies degree still has a positive ROI? It won’t when we include opportunity costs….

21 comments on “My word this really is a surprise

  1. The Women’s Studies degree still has a positive ROI?

    That’s probably because they can get a job in the public sector. I bet it doesn’t hold true for private sector jobs.

  2. If I were an employer I’d (without saying so) tend to avoid employing anyone with a grievance studies degree, on the grounds that they’d be trouble.

  3. “It won’t when we include opportunity costs….”
    Nor the negative externalities to society once they’ve finished said degrees.

  4. Are there any private sector jobs in Women’s Studies? I suppose a few HR departments might think its good to have someone with that sort of degree but beyond that I can’t think of any jobs at all all.

  5. Charlie Suet – “If I were an employer I’d (without saying so) tend to avoid employing anyone with a grievance studies degree, on the grounds that they’d be trouble.”

    Yes but what is the cause and what is the effect? Does a degree in women’s studies take nice girls and make them utterly insufferable or do they give a credential to someone who was insufferable to start with?

    We can’t be sure that it is the effect of the degree and not the effect of being the sort of girl who wants to be a dental technician as opposed to the sort of border line psychopath who accumulates grievances and blames the rest of the world for her poor choices.

    Keep in mind that if being a stay at home mother was classes as a job, it would be the job that provided the most happiness and satisfaction to modern women. Who does not want to be a stay at home mother?

  6. “Yes but what is the cause and what is the effect? Does a degree in women’s studies take nice girls and make them utterly insufferable or do they give a credential to someone who was insufferable to start with?”

    Such degrees mostly take in fairly-to-highly insufferable women. No-one normal enrols for a Women’s Studies degree.

    Then, in most cases, the degree makes them even more insufferable than they were.

  7. Charlie Suet – “If I were an employer I’d (without saying so) tend to avoid employing anyone with a grievance studies degree, on the grounds that they’d be trouble.”

    It is a long time ago now (circa 1978) I interviewed someone for a low level job, turned out they had a ‘degree’ in trade union studies or some such. They didn’t get the job. Unfortunately my colleagues at another branch were careless and a few months later I noticed she was working there. And before long there agitation to recognise a union, and a strike, and the eventual ruin of the company.

  8. $92k sounds on the cheapish side for a US college degree. Lots of girls are getting into substantial six-figure debts to learn Purple-Hair-And-Problem-Glasses Studies.

  9. I’m amazed you can qualify as almost-a-dentist for half the price of a UK degree in debt-building.

  10. I wonder if they’ve done proper discounting of future earnings? And interest on the student loan?

  11. Charlie Suet – “If I were an employer I’d (without saying so) tend to avoid employing anyone with a grievance studies degree, on the grounds that they’d be trouble.”

    Which is why that will be illegal in a few years. Every company and organisation will have to have its properly credentialed Political officers.

    The people can’t be expected to behave ‘correctly’ otherwise.

  12. “Such degrees mostly take in fairly-to-highly insufferable women. No-one normal enrols for a Women’s Studies degree.”

    Well of course not.

    Bitter losers go into Grievance studies courses as it gives them a mechanism to externalise why they’re losers.. the patriarchy, misogyny etc. The fact that they were fat ugly and stupid to begin with is too much to handle.

    I give you Trigglypuff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69tkCbeC5o

  13. You can only criminalise overt discrimination. You can’t prevent someone privately deciding not employ someone (though that doesn’t stop the state from trying).

    It may be true that women’s studies attracts the already querulous and unpleasant. But I suspect there are a fair few ethnic minorities (particularly in America) who get seduced by this self-pitying rubbish when they could have been learning something useful.

  14. But I suspect there are a fair few ethnic minorities (particularly in America) who get seduced by this self-pitying rubbish when they could have been learning something useful.

    Evidently you’ve never been acquainted with the average college level Black Studies program…

  15. In my experience all a ‘studies’ degree does is fuck up a perfectly good supermarket shelf stacker. I haven’t met a single holder of one I’d give the steam off my piss.

  16. We finally have proof that the neoliberal so-called “free market” systematically undervalues the value of Women’s Studies by placing a cynical veneer of so-called ‘efficiency’ over oppressive discrimination that is in reality no more than hegemonic patriarcalism which sickeningly seeks to oppress… (Continued on page 94)

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