Possibly quite true

Jeremy Corbyn has appeared to compare Israel to “various self-styled Islamic states and organisations” at the launch of Labour’s antisemitism report.

He said: “Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu Government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”

But not quite what I would say, myself, at the start of an anti-semitism conference.

15 comments on “Possibly quite true

  1. As I mentioned in another thread yesterday, the problem is this.

    They are so convinced that they are the good guys, and that their “nuance” on Israil/Jews is so self-evidently appropriate and correct, that they are utterly blind to their own antisemitism.

    Just like they are so convinced of their anti-fascism that they are totally blind to the fact that you can’t get a cigarette paper between them and the fascists.

  2. Which why the purge is needed.

    You cannot debate with such scum.

    Just ensure they never get power and smash their propaganda efforts to get at the young.

  3. Oh come on. This is hyper-sensitive. Corbyn is an idiot and a nasty piece of work when you come down to it. But he did not compare Israel to ISIS – although that would be an interesting comparison in itself.

    He said that Jews were not to blame for Israel. Seems reasonable to me.

  4. @SMFS I agree (and, like you, I’m no friend of Corbyn). But it just serves to demonstrate that he’s politically clueless – it’s not just what you say, it’s how it sounds (to friends and foes).

  5. Miss Smug marched out on the grounds that an accusation of conspiracy was anti-semitic. Does she really want us to suppose that Jews are less than fully human and therefore would never, ever take part in a conspiracy? Is she part of Generation Snowflake? A product of the grievance-mongering industries?

    Is ‘anti-semitism’ to go the way of ‘racism’ – often a baseless accusation exploited for political advantage? It’s a short-sighted attitude: real anti-semitism is a very nasty phenomenon; It seems unwise to me to cheapen the idea.

  6. @dearieme – I think it was the specific type of consipracy claimed that irked her.

    If one can, with a straight face, compare the (admittedly below the belt) Leave poster with the snake of refugees to a similar image in a Nazi propaganda film that not one person in the target audience of that poster will have seen, then one has to accept that an accusation of a media conspiracy involving a jewish person is equally bigoted.

  7. This here Jew is with “So Much for Subtlety”. Corbyn didn’t compare Israel with self-styled Muslim states. He said that Muslims in general aren’t responsible for the actions of self-styled Muslim states, and Jews in general aren’t responsible for the actions of Israel. Which is true even if you love the policies of Israel and hate the policies of self-styled Muslim states.

  8. dearieme: Marc Wadsworth, who is a vile and reprehensible piece of vermin, said the accusations of anti-Semitism against the Labour Party (accusations such as Naz Shah saying Israel was guilty of genocide and Ken Livingstone saying Hitler was a Zionist) were a ‘right wing conspiracy’ and that Ruth Smeeth, a Jewish Labour MP, was orchestrating them in concert with the Daily Telegraph. I’m not going as far as Dave in his catch-all Jew-haters-under-the-bed idea, but that encapsulates a particularly pernicious anti-Semitic trope: that of the Jew with divided loyalties. It is abundantly clear that anti-Semitism runs through the modern Labour Party like the lettering through a stick of Brighton rock.

  9. “Marc Wadsworth, who is a vile and reprehensible piece of vermin,”

    Err, no, he ain’t. Some odd ideas, certainly, but a top bloke.

  10. @BiCR: I’m not persuaded. Great chunks of our own history involved the divided loyalties of Roman Catholics: some of my own ancestors presumably were loyal to the Pope as their sovereign rather than to the King. To take another example, must we all stop expressing suspicion of Freemasons as having divided loyalties?

    There’s far too much censorship around already; can’t we allow any free speech to survive, even free speech by odious Corbynites?

  11. Tim, dearieme: I’d say being a Momentum activist* and apologist for anti-Semites makes you a pretty nasty piece of work. He claims to be pro free-speech when it comes to anti-Jewish slurs, but for deselecting MPs and replacing them with Trots when they criticise Jeremy Corbyn. That seems a trifle inconsistent. As for the divided loyalty thing—I’d say we probably should stop suspecting Freemasons or Catholics of having ultramontanist leanings unless there’s damn good evidence to the contrary. It should also be noted that were a British Jew to express support for Israel, that does not count as divided loyalty, any more than expressing support for Canada or Sri Lanka would, unless—and here’s the crucial point—that support were contrary to the interests of the UK. I think there is a huge problem of resurgent anti-Semitism in the West today, and it is concentrated among the Left.

    I’m referring to Marc Wadsworth, by the way, not Mark Wadsworth.

    * yes, he says he isn’t. I don’t believe him. He’s at a bare minimum on the militant, entryist side of Labour, as is evinced by his words.

  12. “I’d say being a Momentum activist* and apologist for anti-Semites makes you a pretty nasty piece of work. ” Yup.

    “I’d say we probably should stop suspecting … Catholics of having ultramontanist leanings unless there’s damn good evidence to the contrary.” A cousin was taught at a Roman Catholic primary school in London to hate Protestants. Happily the lessons didn’t take. Would you class that as “divided loyalties”?

    “I’d say we probably should stop suspecting Freemasons …”: a matter of judgement, I’d say. Yours and mine can reasonably differ.

    “I think there is a huge problem of resurgent anti-Semitism in the West today, and it is concentrated among the Left.” The Left and ……?

  13. “I’m referring to Marc Wadsworth, by the way, not Mark Wadsworth.”

    God, I hope that’s the explanation. My Venn diagram with Tim suddenly went from a crossover of reasonable circles to one of mutant amoebas at a rave on acid.

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