Quelle surprise

Students at some of the UK’s most prestigious universities ‘live in crime hotspots where violence, sex offences and robberies are highest’
Students at the LSE are among the most likely to live in a crime hotspot

We could of course say that students cause crime – but beyond a bit of drunk and disorderly, few spliffs and a bit of leering that’s not really true.

But students are poor and poor areas have more crime…..

36 comments on “Quelle surprise

  1. How will the Guardian’s CiF brigade interpret this? Bring back student grants so that they can afford higher rents? Allow students to carry handguns for self-defence? Impose a curfew on cis hetero white gentile men after 10pm?

  2. The places students lived in Manchester Uni back in the late ’90s were rough as a beggar’s arse. The insurance companies wouldn’t provide cover in M14, and everyone I knew (including me) got burgled.

    The article also reminds me of the induction process that the oil companies put newcomers through in Sakhalin. Those unfamiliar with the modern oil industry would assume an induction takes place shortly after arrival, but they would be breathtakingly naive. Hence the security induction took place several months after arrival. We found that the areas of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk marked red and dangerous were where all the good bars and clubs were, and hence were the places which were jammed packed full of expats. In a lot of cities, the interesting spots are also where the crime is, and the safe spots dull as hell.

  3. Students also have nice shinny new laptops, games consoles and phones. Coupled with no capital investment in security of their accommodation they are prime targets.

  4. It would be nice if the criminal denizens of the London “nasty” Bubble got some ambition. Such that, instead of shitting where they eat ie preying on the poor but non-crim people in the areas where the nastis (sic) live, said nastis went up West (or whatever direction nowadays) and preyed on the creatures who inhabit the London “nice” Bubble. The well-off, middle/upper class cultural marxist pukes who make up a huge chunk of the enemy class. Remainiacs, G-rag fans and the like.

    There was a little of that during the London Riots and the leftclowns endorsed it because it mainly by-passed them.

    Lets see what their attitude is when they daily become real victims of some really nasty events.

  5. Students use the same coffee shop I do (£10 for two coffees and a sticky bun). It took me until I was in my thirties before I could afford similar designer clothing they wear.

  6. @Rob Harries, they are also conditioned into a state of permanent guilt about their colonial past, so provide easy pickings for the usual suspects…

  7. Tim Newman has gone up in my estimation.

    Rusholme and bits of Fallowfield were awful. Some idiots even tried to save a bit of cash by living on the edge of Moss Side or towards Burnage. But the days of £40 a week rent are apparently long gone.

    I managed to get insurance (at a cost) and was never burgled thank goodness, but friends of mine suffered an American style home invasion and were tied up while all the laptops and stereos were taken. And that was in Withington – supposedly a bit nicer!

  8. That has reminded me of a tale of a budding entrepreneur I knew tangentially who supplied a fair few student dope buyers. His house was burgled and all the shiny stuff stolen but not all the drugs. One of his housemates was stupid enough to call the police to report the burglary and when Manchester’s finest CID turned up they were in the middle of skinning up. Apperently the DC just told them to carry on.

  9. Students use the same coffee shop I do (£10 for two coffees and a sticky bun).

    I’m a cheapskate. I make a pot of coffee at home and bring a thermos to work.

  10. @ Blue Eyes, I used to know a chap who had blue eyes – was indeed noted for them by a girl of our mutual acquaintance – who used the phrase ‘skin up’. I have not heard that phrase in 25 years …

  11. I studented in LS6, which sounds like M14. Every city had one. Great times. Another handy thing about robbing student houses is all those nice things mentioned come in multiples of five or six.

    Still, unless someone shows me that today’s lot have it worse than it was in the past then I’m not interested.. and I doubt they have because I’m pretty sure that all of the relevant crimes have been falling wholesale for 25 years.

  12. Tim

    Check out Murphy’s post on ‘Why is honesty so hard to do?’ – for someone who has peddled misinformation for the better part of a decade the lack of self-awareness is simply too great? He has to be a spoof, surely?

  13. skin up?

    Just checked and is what I thought it meant, but obviously I have lived a more sheltered life than I thought and that despite having moved in freaky circles and seen a fair amount of drugs and druggies back in the late 60s.

    Or is it just me living the life before the phrase became common?

  14. I’m pretty sure that all of the relevant crimes have been falling wholesale for 25 years

    Back in my day the thieves would steal the TV, video, and hi-fi. Not much point doing that when a TV costs £100 from Tesco, the DVD £20 from the same place and they’re obsolete now anyway, and nobody has a hi-fi any more (they have Bluetooth speakers instead). Nowadays most burglaries are after the car on the driveway or jewelry, neither of which apply to students. My guess is other than an iPhone and Apple laptops, there isn’t much worth stealing in a student house. Although the business of tying them up, pinching their ATM cards and beating the PIN code out of them probably still goes on.

  15. Tim N,

    “the business of tying them up, pinching their ATM cards and beating the PIN code out of them probably still goes on.”

    Are you sure that’s business and not pleasure?

  16. A sensible burglar would still get a good haul by hitting a student hall of residence, where 80% of the students have shiny new Apple laptops. But burgling a cheap house-share occupied by 2nd and 3rd year students will just get you old models, and it’s more trouble than it’s worth.

    But the “report” also says violence is high in student areas; so it’s more just general poverty, rather than undergraduates tearing lumps out of each other.

  17. @TimN & @BlueEyes, what’s wrong with Rusholme. I lived there for 10 years. Had no problems. Great for the curry mile, 5 mins walk away.

  18. I was going to point out that students had nothing to steal 30 years ago, however Tim N is right to mention TV’s and Hi-Fi’s. But, many didn’t have either.

    Students have vastly more now: don’t forget games consoles and all of that. Even some clothes maybe worth stealing.

    This must be another example of the failure of capitalism.

  19. Jack C

    Your last sentence is exactly on the mark! They would be significantly better off North of the 38th parallel in the nearest thing to ‘The Curajus state’ that actually exists anywhere in the world?

  20. Tim N/ TTG

    I think the burglary rates might have decreased but what has also gone down is that people have stopped reporting crimes
    From my experience the police are much more interested in investigations into dead paedophile celebrities, arresting people who make inappropriate remarks in a Chinese restaurant, arresting Christians who protest against the approval of gay marriage, investigating those who are in alleged breach of the foxhunting ban, stopping people doing 34 in a 30 and generally focusing on major criminals as opposed to taking crimes against private property seriously…

  21. “From my experience the police are much more interested in investigations into dead paedophile celebrities, arresting people who make inappropriate remarks in a Chinese restaurant, arresting Christians who protest against the approval of gay marriage, investigating those who are in alleged breach of the foxhunting ban, stopping people doing 34 in a 30 and generally focusing on major criminals as opposed to taking crimes against private property seriously…”

    Nottingham police now define “wolf-whistling” as a hate crime. Remember that the next time the BBC screams about a “massive jump in hate crimes against women”.

  22. Yes the police are interested in those who break the law. Strangely they are not interested in those that don’t.
    Like those doing 30 in a 30 zone.

    I have to wonder – student halls of residence, in affluent areas or poor areas? Students renting houses – high rent areas or lower rent areas? Are the lower rent areas perhaps less safe areas?

  23. One of his housemates was stupid enough to call the police to report the burglary and when Manchester’s finest CID turned up…

    Must have been a while ago. These days they’d send a junior around to hand out a crime number for the insurance, assuming you could get insurance.

  24. Had to visit Manchester uni once, that was more than enough. Have to agree though that as a student you tend to live in the cheaper areas and that usually means more crime/risk. I did once manage to find a place in a nice area that was just about affordable, funnily enough my beaten up old car seemed to attract traffic tickets and stops way more than anyone else’s. Though jumpstarting an old Mini Cooper off a Rolls Royce might just be one of the more surreal moments I’ve experienced while sober

  25. @Tim N,

    I got (very expensive) cover in M14 in the late ’90s 😉

    Owned my first house there as well (Moss Side, not Rusholme or Fallowfield – that was for the snowflakes). From the comments, looks like there are quite a few ex-Mancs here!

  26. “Students at the LSE are among the most likely to live in a crime hotspot”
    From what I’ve seen of LSE graduates, LSE is a crime hotspot. Embezzlement under false pretenses.

  27. @BlueEyes ‘an American style home invasion’
    Actually, home invasions are not that common in the USA. Many householders are armed, and the laws in many states consider killing an invader to be self-defense, and not subject to arrest. The risk/reward ratio for the thief is unfavorable.

  28. The ever-accurate and totally objective Dalston Mercury had the definitive last word on this matter just this morning…

  29. Just found my old student directory of people I was in certain clubs with.
    The Wolverhampton area I don’t know well enough to say for certain what the areas are like.
    The Walsall area I do. Two in Caldmore, four in Pleck – and of those 6 addresses there were 4 in the red light district. Both those areas are ‘poor’. Cheap rents if can find a landlord that doesn’t demand more than housing benefit on top.
    The student accommodation itself in Walsall is relatively affluent area, not perfect but across the road from a higher value area on two sides.

  30. My digs in London went Kensington → Streatham Common → Camberwell. Never got burgled or mugged. When I was in Bradford I lived in Laisterdyke and again never had any trouble. Probably any burglars assumed I had nothing worth nicking (they were dead wrong: my ghastly hovel contained me, some mice and about ten grand’s worth of computer equipment).

  31. Not sure if this is a one off in UK.

    Most students at Edinburgh Uni tend to live in relatively expensive low crime areas* as they are walking distance to the Uni.

    *Marchmont, Merchiston, Morningside, Scienes… EH9 & EH10 for George Square & Old College campus.

  32. Pcar: Kensington in my first year was because that’s where Imperial has its student housing. You get turfed out in the second year and have to go downmarket. I don’t know what market rent would be on the place in Evelyn Gardens that I stayed in as a first year, but we certainly weren’t paying it.

  33. I had three years in college (crime rate zero) and one post-grad year in a bedsit with no observable crime. My wife, who went to the other place, didn’t observe any crime either.
    Maybe the Daily Wail doesn’t understand what “most prestigious” means.

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