Yes Polly, it does

What hope for a party that threatens to be irrelevant for years to come? The best of Labour is in power, in the cities as leaders and mayors, competent and imaginative in struggling with monstrous cuts – from London’s Sadiq Khan to Nick Forbes in Newcastle. Otherwise it’s a matter of waiting until enough party members come to terms with grim electoral reality and decide to compromise with the voters. Does that really need a devastating election defeat?

Two or three actually. Because they are actually deluded.

49 comments on “Yes Polly, it does

  1. Blimey if they’re even beyond the pale for Polly they must be bad. Heard Jezza on R4 this morning, and even the Beeb were sticking it to him. Best spectator sport for ages.

  2. Given that the Left’s entire M.O. is not learning from experience, it’ll easily take them several defeats to come to terms with reality.

  3. The best of Labour is in power, in the cities as leaders and mayors, competent and imaginative in struggling with monstrous cats

    Set the dogs on ’em.

    Anyway, Khan – so competent and imaginative he believes half a dozen or more people blown up, macheted to death or having their heads sawn off in the name of Islam is a normal part of urban life. Assuming the victims are all from an acceptable demographic, that is. Funny how Stephen Lawrence’s murder, a single crime, isn’t a “normal part of urban life”.

  4. Corbyn will lose them the next election, but then even if he quits, all the newly elected radical left wingers will lose them the election after that. At which point we’ll be up to 20 years of tory rule, probably with May in charge for a record breaking 14 of them.

  5. What has Khan done until now? Caved in to the black cabs? toured the us as a Clinton shill? Saying terrorism is the new normal?

    I always thought he looks like a smarmy little untrustworthy shit but then again, he is labour so it goes without saying.

    If that’s the future of labour…

  6. If May had the balls of a gnat there would be an immediate announcement of the abolition of the office of London Mayor.

    Also it is long past time local councils need to be smashed. Too many functions have been taken over by said councils to just abolish them at once . But a phase-out over 20+ years could start with shutting down their propaganda activities.

  7. Tim N,
    Previously single mothers crying themselves to sleep in shop doorways, their children sold for medical experiments, Harrow hunger march, accompanied by motorcycle outriders carrying emergency pizza supplies, Polly on the corner in fishnets and micro leather mini. The horror, the horror.

    “Monstrous cuts” => translate(leftBollox, English) => getting only half the increase you asked for.

  8. @Rob: “Funny how Stephen Lawrence’s murder, a single crime, isn’t a “normal part of urban life”.”

    It isn’t? *peruses ‘Evening Standard’ pages*

    Seems it is, actually!

  9. “In one fraught conversation after another, I try all this on Corbyn believers but to no avail. No compromise, blocked ears, total denial of electoral facts, a post-truth conviction. You can hear this non-meeting of minds everywhere at this conference, a shutter of incomprehension dividing the two sides. “But we can convince them! People will listen!” “

    Actually, sounds quite a bit like Polly herself when faced with people suggesting that perhaps no-control immigration isn’t such a good thing, doesn’t it?

    Motes and beams indeed…

  10. Khan is classic Idiot Labour: make promises that unravel within about five minutes, obfuscate, play the personality/background card rather than go on actual ideas, try to be all things to all people, try to undo all the things his popular and competent predecessor did, and no doubt leave London in a worse state than when he found it.

    If he is Labour’s successful future…

  11. Incredible stupidity from Corybn thinking that the public will ignore his swerving and denial about immigration.

    I am a potential Labour supporter….no fucking chance while he thinks its irrrelevant or the problem is helping them intergrate.

  12. Wickie Wubbleway: I am a potential Labour supporter…

    Was it the skankiness of the Barcelona hooker, the priapic nip or the loss of the €200 that turned your mind, I wonder?

  13. I am a potential Labour supporter

    Don’t worry, if you’re of above average intelligence, you’ll grow out of it, I did before I was old enough to vote despite actually becoming a member of the Labour party in my early teens.

  14. The problem is that once the Berlin Wall fell and people became more mobile (and so didn’t need unions so much), Labour lost their way. It stopped getting practical people joining it and got filled with crazy utopians and identity politics. It’s really been dead since the late 80s. The Blair lot were the last bunch that joined that saw socialism as a worthwhile goal, and had some brains about them.

    Membership of the Labour Party today is like owning a copy of Free Nelson Mandela or boycotting Nestle. It’s far more about what it’s saying about you than what it’s actually achieving.

  15. Actually, sounds quite a bit like Polly herself when faced with people suggesting that perhaps no-control immigration isn’t such a good thing, doesn’t it?

    To be fair, some of the libertarian crowd believe in open borders too. Having lived in places like Nigeria, I don’t. I don’t think people who believe in open borders quite understand the numbers that would be involved and the fragility/corrosive nature of some cultures versus others.

  16. Blue Eyes,

    “If he is Labour’s successful future…”

    He’s one of maybe half a dozen one-eyed men in the kingdom of the blind. We’re at a point with Labour where if you had to pick a shadow cabinet from what’s available, you’d include Chukka Ummuna and Tristran Hunt.

  17. The left’s main problem is that reality has shown that statist solutions don’t work and that socialism is neither inevitable nor desirable. That’s tacitly accepted by everyone who isn’t a loon (i.e. not those that run the Labour party). But the corollary to that lesson – that markets do work is not something that even moderate leftists are particularly willing to accept.

    Take housing – few people (again Corbynites aside) now think that the government itself should be building huge numbers of properties. But there’s still a reluctance to accept the alternative – the private sector being freed up to develop housing in pursuit of profit.

  18. “The best of Labour is in power, in the cities”

    Excuse me while I roll around on the floor in paraxisms of laughter. “the best”???? They’re in power in the cities because the local opposition is too weak to kick them out, and because the voters keep voting for enough of the dead donkeys with red rosettes.

    In Sheffield the “young turks” are still in power, the “young turks” who kicked out the old guard in 1968|!!!!!11!!

  19. “The problem is that once the Berlin Wall fell and people became more mobile (and so didn’t need unions so much), Labour lost their way. It stopped getting practical people joining it and got filled with crazy utopians and identity politics.”

    That process was definitely underway in the very early 1970s, as local Labour parties started getting taken over by the zombies produced by the expansion in university and polytechnic education in the late 1960s. There was even a phrase invented for it – ‘the polyocracy’.

  20. that markets do work is not something that even moderate leftists are particularly willing to accept.

    Their equivalent in the Nordic countries do though. Free markets and high taxation/redistribution.

  21. Hmm, two points here…

    1. The rebel Labour MPs have run a campaign ever since Corbyn was elected leader… originally to deselect him as leader… so, why do MPs think they are immune from the same thing?…

    2. Funny that a supporter of Corbyn should be criticised for allegedly not wanting people from other parties… given that the NEC was suspending people from voting in the leadership if they had previously shown any support for other parties… [and it is particularly rich coming from a woman who left Labour to help create a rival party…]

  22. Mr X

    “start with shutting down [the councils’] propaganda activities.”

    You get the magazines too, then. Goebbels had nothing on these parasites; every page declares “we are wonderful, aren’t you lucky to be funding us on pain of imprisonment?”

    Usually there’s a message on page 3 from the “Chief Executive”, with smugshot, no mention of the £400,000 pa salary or the expense account, however: instead some hypocritical bilge about the “community”. Page 4: a visit to some dodderers, pumped full of sedatives and trapped into enduring the cretinous blather of a TV set, positioned too high to get at, and only Nurse Ratched has the remote. Page 5: diktats about what hoi polloi may and may not recycle, with menacing notes about the penalties and punishments should their hideous and cumbersome wheelie-bins (which, like all the other millions and millions of hideous, cumbersome and highly visible wheelie-bins across the land, disfigure the street scene in a manner that only over-promoted peasants without a shred of taste or decency could arrive at) not be put out for fortnightly collection between the prescribed times of 0600 and 0605, GMT. Page 6: grateful subnormals at some council-run gulag pose with a smirking, obese creature in a cardigan, identified as Sally somebody, Director of Social Services. Page 7: an account of the increased charges and reductions in opening hours at the “Leisure Centre”, which I used to assume meant the council’s own offices. Pages 8-9: a double-page spread about the rainwater collection system, solar panels and stonecrop-covered roofing Your Council has installed on its already absurdly lavish HQ, at a cost, not mentioned, of £4M. Page 10, etc.: you get the picture.

    To cap it all, the reader is urged to “recycle” the thing, as if the whole content hadn’t already been recycled a thousand times.

    So much for the magazines (duplicated, of course, one from the District Council, the other from the County Council).

    Now let us turn our attention to the public library …

  23. @TMB

    Wickie Wubbleway: I am a potential Labour supporter…

    Was it the skankiness of the Barcelona hooker, the priapic nip or the loss of the €200 that turned your mind, I wonder?

    And I always thought the saying was, ” A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged”

  24. grateful subnormals at some council-run gulag pose with a smirking, obese creature in a cardigan, identified as Sally somebody, Director of Social Services.

    Bwahahaha!

  25. “Their equivalent in the Nordic countries do though. Free markets and high taxation/redistribution.”

    Thats not the socialism they want though is it? Its not the State owning everything and providing for all through its superior direction of the economy, which is what the Corbynites want. Blair pretty much was a Nordic socialist – let the market economy rip, tax it and redistribute the moolah. It of course requires you to be ‘perfectly happy with people getting rich’ which will never do for the Corbynites.

    They are stuck in a childlike state whereby if person A has X, it must mean person B can’t have X (which is true when you’re 5 and your sibling has the toy you want). They haven’t managed to move on from that mental image of the world. In fact socialism could be defined as the result of being retarded in a childlike state – most of its nostrums work quite well for children being cared for by the benevolent omniscient parent. Autonomous adults, not so much.

  26. “In fact socialism could be defined as the result of being retarded in a childlike state – most of its nostrums work quite well for children being cared for by the benevolent omniscient parent. Autonomous adults, not so much.”

    Also excellent.

  27. “To be fair, some of the libertarian crowd believe in open borders too. ”

    When I was involved in a libertarian party we were quite clear when discussing policy – you can have open borders and you can have a welfare state, but you can’t have both.

    Listening to Corbyn this morning he seems to think you can have both, idiot.

    Talking of Corbyn, he really didn’t like being interviewed and asked fairly obvious questions. He’s obviously lived in his own left wing bubble so long he can’t fathom why someone would question his beliefs.

  28. You just have to ask virtue-signalers two things:

    1) Do you believe zero immigration is bad for the UK? The answer obviously will be Yes.

    2) So, what about a million a day? The answer will be that this is a bad idea.

    Thus, having established that immigration controls are required, you can debate what the limit should be.

  29. “Wickie Wubbleway: I am a potential Labour supporter…”

    Perhaps you aren’t aware, but the feminazis and manginas in Labour are determined to criminalize the purchase of sexual pleasure.

  30. Surely the problem for labour is if anyone else they have is any more electable than Corbyn, a narrow loss or a landslide loss doesn’t matter just the result.
    In some ways a landslide loss under Corbyn should make them change quicker than a narrow loss, but that would be a rational response so unlikely to happen

  31. When I was involved in a libertarian party we were quite clear when discussing policy – you can have open borders and you can have a welfare state, but you can’t have both.

    Even without the welfare, the numbers turning up would render any western city unliveable whithin months.

  32. Tim N, Theophrastus, Cynic

    Thanks for kind words. I have been inwardly fuming about this for about 30 years and finally the volcano blew.

  33. “Even without the welfare, the numbers turning up would render any western city unliveable whithin months.”

    The theory being that without a welfare state the free loaders will stay away and the productive will be attracted, but you knew that and I agree with you, it won’t stop them. Not that we’d ever get to a no welfare state position.

  34. In times past the barriers to travel were quite high and the relative living standard not as widely apart.

    Today, people in 3rd world countries have enough wealth and information to travel, and more than enough information to realise that life in a western country is far better than many corrupt 3rd world shit holes benefits or no benefits.

    The only solution I can see is a rather imperialist one, and rather out of favour in this day and age.

  35. Bloke in North Dorset – “Not that we’d ever get to a no welfare state position.”

    So the only solution, no matter what the immigration laws are, is to enforce the border and immigration laws.

    We need a less-than-zero immigration policy. Enforced.

  36. David Moore – The only solution I can see is a rather imperialist one, and rather out of favour in this day and age.

    Indeed, perhaps it might be better to dedicate the resources to border control, the construction of detention centres and voluntary repatriation of legal but unwanted immigrants.

  37. Re: skanky hooker,

    Thats part of the risk when delaing foreign hookers, they know you won’t be around long enough to find them again, I always make sure of no trousers around ankles cos thats a sure way to be left stranded, the diversion tactic of the bite was unexpected but a good un for her.

    The problem with immigration for me is that employers know that minimum wage is acceptable to them when regular staff were paid that 20 years ago…it drives down conditions for everyone.

    The plus side is my portuguese can only improve.

  38. The theory being that without a welfare state the free loaders will stay away and the productive will be attracted, but you knew that and I agree with you, it won’t stop them.

    Exactly. Lagos didn’t have a welfare system, but that didn’t stop gangs of thieves moving in by the tens of thousands and hanging around the more wealthy areas, ready to pounce on any opportunity fair or foul to get themselves something, anything, they didn’t have before.

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