Bollocks love, you’re spouting bollocks

Lady Gaga tells London fans kindness more important than fame
Singer says money and celebrity have been put on a pedestal, and the happiest people are in the poorest parts of the world

This would have rather more strength as an argument from someone who hasn’t spent their entire life attempting climb the greasy pole to vast wealth and worldwide fame.

From Lady Gaga, the bird who wore a bacon dress to get into the newspapers, it’s twattery of the highest order, flatulent tosspottery.

Lady Gaga has denounced the evils of money and fame as she promoted her new album on the roof of one of Britain’s biggest shopping centres.

The singer, who has an estimated net worth of more than $250m (£200m), performed for an audience of competition winners at Westfield shopping centre in Shepherd’s Bush, west London, on Thursday night.

Even The Guardian spots the cuntishness.

24 comments on “Bollocks love, you’re spouting bollocks

  1. And she’s about 95% image. Reminds me of Marilyn Manson – if you took away the horror imagery, you had some rather mediocre goth music.

    Katy Perry’s made a lot more good pop records.

  2. Ah yes, the argumentum ad hominem. The truth or falsity of a statement is independent of the personal qualities of the person who makes it. Her argument, such as it is, is neither stronger or weaker because of her hypocrisy.

  3. @Theo

    I think hypocrisy can undermine the persuasiveness of an argument since if the speaker clearly doesn’t believe what he or she is saying, it is less likely that the listener will find it convincing. (If it didn’t even convince the person saying it, why should it convince the person hearing it?)

    Having said that, it doesn’t necessarily undermine the intrinsic strength of the argument. But I’d suggest in human interaction, psychology overweights “persuasiveness” and the various contextual mental cues that deem someone “trustworthy”, and underweight critical evaluation of a statement or argument in the abstract and in its own right. It would be interesting to hear the opinions of, say, a salesman, a con artist and a criminal barrister on this front.

    (Fwiw I reckon hypocrisy is overrated as a modern “sin” – people of all stripes seem to round on hypocrites as if they’ve done something uniquely terrible, but I think this reflects the difficulty of finding universal agreement in an age of moral relativism. The convenient thing about hypocrisy, if one is looking for an avenue of condemnation, is that it doesn’t even matter what the condemner or listener believes about the statement made. Hence both Tim and the Graun can condemn Gaga for hypocrisy despite holding quite contrary opinions about the moral status of wealth, and moreover both would feel at liberty to make the same condemnation even to an audience that held contrary views and still feel they would “score a point”. It seems to me that as a result hypocrites draw more flak than people who have committed substantially more egregious acts. In principle, I think there are even occasions when it is morally praiseworthy when someone says the right thing, albeit they are unable to enact it personally.)

  4. She wasn’t really making an argument, merely a series of statements. If she went, “Those which are poorest are happiest, and happiness is based mostly on wealth, thus becoming wealthier causes one to become more miserable.”

    And Tim had gone “I accept the premises and logic, but you’re a hypocrite so, nuh nuh!” Then that would be ad hominem.

    As it is it’s merely a question of what is the most persuasive, her cheap talk or her actions.

  5. And are the poorest people in the world really the happiest? Quite a lot of them are prepared to risk death to come and get a taste of first world misery.

  6. Revealed vs Expressed Preferences.

    Timmy’s right to call her out on this one as her Revealed clearly shows what she’s Expressed isn’t at all what she believes.

    In other words she’s talking shit and she knows it.

  7. Tony Curtis talking to Cary Grant in Operation Petticoat.

    “As a kid I was a victim of the most vicious propaganda, people told me that money was not everything, and I believed it. Until I found out that people saying money is not everything were the ones who had it. I figured they were trying to hide a good thing.”

    Not much has changed.

  8. “The fields crackling with the sound of laughter” of the happy pickaninnies with their watermelon smiles.

  9. Somes needs to give this slit-eyed arrogant Oriental bitch a good fvckin slap for being called by a name that originated in Greece, Europe

  10. Now the folksinger came from America
    To sing at the Albert Hall,
    He sang his songs of protest
    And fairer shares for all.
    He sang how the poor were much too poor
    And the rich too rich by far,
    Then he drove back to his penthouse
    In his brand new Rolls Royce car.

    © Benny Hill

  11. Tony Curtis talking to Cary Grant in Operation Petticoat.

    A great film. I kept being reminded of the phrase “when there’s chaos, there’s profit” during the Sakhalin 2 debacle.

  12. “MC
    December 3, 2016 at 11:13 am
    And are the poorest people in the world really the happiest? Quite a lot of them are prepared to risk death to come and get a taste of first world misery.”

    So we can righteously intercept and send them back for their own good. Not only to save their lives trying to get here but also to stop them being miserable if they succeed.

  13. Theo:

    Her argument, such as it is, is neither stronger or weaker because of her hypocrisy.

    But it does rather undermine any assertion that she speaks from experience. We also have the revealed preference problem as noted above – she obviously does not believe her own argument, as she has spent her life striving to become wealthy, rather than “happy.” I put her in the same category of miserable, two-faced, hypocritical scold as Bono.

  14. dcardno:

    “But it does rather undermine any assertion that she speaks from experience.”

    Her particular assertion is either true or false. She is making an empirical, testable claim. The issue is whether her statement or argument is true or false, and its truth or falsity has nothing to do with her personal qualities, her intentions or her beliefs.

    KJ
    The argumentum ad hominem applies not only to arguments against formal arguments but also to arguments against statements.

    MBE
    Hypocrisy doesn’t alter whether a statement is true or false, but it can make someone sound less persuasive (which is the concern of rhetoric, not logic). As a form of moral inconsistency, hypocrisy is generally reprehensible, though, as you say, it can be admirable in certain circumstances. The nature of hypocrisy was caught very well by de la Rochefoucauld: “Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue”.

  15. Didn’t Shakespeare go on about the advantages of being low class
    -“help Hyperion to his horse” ie you sleep better. ? Henry V.

  16. Gaga can be discounted not because she is wealthy and famous, but because she is operating as if it is her wealth and fame that should make her assertions more worthy of consideration, rather than their truth or falsehood. If this weren’t the case, her statements would be judged more objectively, and we’d find out they’re arrant bullshit. Poor people are not happier, end of.

  17. I think it was the Pratchett, Stewart & Cohen triumvirate that said money was like love, or oxygen, it only matters when you haven’t got any.

  18. Theo:

    She is making an empirical, testable claim

    Because “happiness” can be precisely measured, no doubt – or even reliably measured at all, at any level of confidence?

  19. dcardno
    Yes, happiness can be measured, and it correlates quite strongly with wealth, individual or national. Add in the immigration flows from the poorer parts of the world to the richer, and it’s clear that her assertion is false.

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