This is a seriously terrible idea

Every public office-holder may have to swear an oath of allegiance to British values, Sajid Javid, the Communities Secretary, has signalled.

The loyalty pledge would be expected to cover elected officials, civil servants, and council workers.

Bugger off matey.

We’re British, we don’t do that. We don’t salute the flag, have a pledge of allegiance, all those things more insecure foreigners do.

36 comments on “This is a seriously terrible idea

  1. I have to agree Tim – and given the ham fisted way this kind of headline grabbing nonsense is usually implemented in the UK it Will almost certainly be a disaster. There are around 50,000 (at least) people actively engaged in working for countries like North Korea, Iran, Russia, etc – perhaps this is an attempt to catch such people? If so – it’s about 60 years too late…..

  2. We do have common law and anyone, who will not prefer it to shariah, should remove themselves. That, plus accepting freedom of speech, freedom of conscience and equality before the law, covers the important foundational bits of British civilisation.

  3. We’re British, we don’t do that. We don’t salute the flag, have a pledge of allegiance, all those things more insecure foreigners do.

    We were British. We didn’t do that. We are now insecure foreigners. So we do. We have to.

    We were an ethnic community united by blood, descent, history, culture and traditions. We are now a dumping ground for the refuse of the Third World. Even here not everyone has unbroken links by blood and culture to the British past. Certainly people in the UK who do are shrinking in number.

    Thus what was known but unsaid now has to be taught. Because that loyalty to the “blood community” does not come naturally to the salad bowl of a post-modern multi-cultural society.

  4. It pains me to agree with the Abbottopotamus, but she is right to point out that an oath will not reduce radicalisation or increase integration.

  5. There exists a Civil Service Code of Conduct which employees have to agree to – it goes on about impartiality, professionalism, honesty, for two sides of A4. We’ve already got this covered.

  6. Aside from the proposal itself being asinine, who gets to decide what British values are? Those of the Islingtonistas who represent a significant number of politicians differ rather significantly to the rest of the country. “I pledge allegiance to Diversity, Pop-up Gourmet Food Stalls and factories converted into galleries for transgender artists”

  7. Theo–if you caught the same BBC news I did it wasn’t the Abbottopotamus. At first sight I thought it was but it seems there is a younger slightly less obese clone of Abbott mouthing ZaNuSnot on the BBC. Can’t remember her name tho’.

    An oath meant something to the Anglo-Saxons once. It is likely to mean less than zero to assorted imports. And the suggestion shows just how stupid BluLab really are.

  8. I think you and your fellow squareheads take the honours only in delusional self-hypnosis Biggie.

    Such as all those training programs for German women ” This is not happening. I am not being raped. When I count to three I will feel no negative emotions. I am not being kicked downstairs—I tripped. Nothing art all happened on New Years eve” and so on ad nauseam.

    You know Biggie if you keep polishing your hypnotic skills I bet you could make a mint with anti-shame courses for German leftist males:

    “I am not a cowardly cuck when I stand by and do nothing to protect our women. I am not a disgrace to my brave (if misguided) ancestors when I kiss Angela Merkals fat leftist arse”.

  9. The oath could be taken in front of a judge, who would then bang his traditional gavel. Unless the applicant pleaded the fifth.

  10. It is troubling that the suggestion comes after a report into failing social cohesion. I can’t decide whether they are thinking the state can set an example to us all, which is bad enough, or if they are subtly admitting that plenty of intolerant people are now employed in the public sector.

  11. These “British values” of course will end up as a nauseating mush of multiculturalism and diversity-speak, and so fails before we even consider whether swearing an oath is a good thing or not.

  12. Yarp, it’s bollocks.

    Though we do have an oath of allegiance for some public sector employees already.

    But it’s bollocks because there’s no such thing as magic words. No earnest incantation of hey-presto-stoprapingchildren-o! is going to turn our uninvited guests into us.

  13. We are descended from Angles, Saxons, Britons, Celts, Scoti from Ireland, Sons of Mil from Spain, Normans, Germans, French, Picti, Vikings etc. Add in the past few centuries on top….
    That’s what is British.

    People have been known to break other oaths, what would make this one different?

  14. I think it’s a genius idea.

    We could extend the program and have criminals come to Police stations and swear an oath not to rob, beat, steal, rape or kill. Then we’d never have any crime at all!

    Can’t believe no one’s thought of it before.

  15. Comment from the First Lord of the Admiralty at the weekend on Radio 4, when asked about this:

    “Surely one of the British values this talks about is to refuse to swear an oath like this to British values”

    I’m inclined to agree.

  16. S-R – It’s like that little form you have to fill in every time you visit the USA. One of the questions asks something like:

    Are you a terrorist? Y/N

    Probably worked great right up till some evil genius invented lying.

  17. You don’t root out the fifth column we have inside the UK by making people swear oaths, words are meaningless. You root out the fifth column by refusing to allow them any position of power.

    As I’ve said before we will eventually do what we did centuries ago when we faced a similar religiously inspired group dedicated to changing society to their way of thinking – namely to prevent them from being involved in anyway in the operation of the State. No Muslim should be employed by the State, or be in any position of power over others, until they collectively learn to put their humanity above their religion, ie to treat all people they deal with equally, rather than just favouring their co-religionists. As State employees have considerable power over people’s lives these days it is crucial to ensure fairness and equality of treatment, and I’m afraid Muslims have proved themselves (collectively) not to be up to that.

    An oath of allegiance is about as much use as that thing one used to have to sign (maybe still do) on entering the USA where one promised not to overthrow the US by force. Actually less use, because at least the US immigration declaration would provide the US government with a catch all to throw people out for subversive behaviour, whereas you can bet your bottom dollar no-one would be sacked from State employ for a breach of their oath of allegiance.

  18. Actually less use, because at least the US immigration declaration would provide the US government with a catch all to throw people out for subversive behaviour

    Which is why they have it, of course.

  19. “We do have common law”: that’s one perpetual problem – people who opine on this sort of thing tend to be rather ignorant about Britain.

  20. The inimitable Steve

    The one I always liked was:

    ‘Were you involved in the persecution of the Jews by Nazi Germany and its Allies?’

    Murphy ‘could imagine people like himself’ being at Dachau so would he have to answer ‘Yes’?

  21. The magistrates’ oath isn’t bad:

    “I swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second and I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of the Realm without fear or favour, affection or ill will.”

    They could also bring in the bit about protecting people and property from the police oath. But anything more than that and they can piss off.

  22. I’m against this because it isn’t any kind of deterrent to radicalism or terrorism. That’s not what it’s for. It’s for providing the useless ‘crats with an excuse after some “public servant” of an islamic persuasion has detonated a bomb under the Foreign Office Cat. All they want is a tick box on a form, so they can slope off and the press can trouble them no more.

  23. SE is correct; indeed not only is there not a First Lord of the Admiralty at the moment, but there cannot be.

    There are only Lords of the Admiralty when the post of Lord High Admiral is put into commission (like the Lords of the Treasury who together exercise the office of Lord High Treasurer). But currently the Lord High Admiral is not in commission but an individual, Prince Philip.

    The only other personal Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom (the previous ones were before the Acts of Union, so were of Great Britain or England) was the Duke of Clarence, who didn’t last long – he was asked to resign after he fell out with the senior navy staff, went off in a temper, took a squadron of ships and disappeared for ten days.

  24. Yes there’s already a Civil Service Code that does the job.

    It would be British to mumble it in a not terribly convincing way, to pay lip service to it without wanting to give offence. Possibly blame the stiff upper lip. Like Church.

    The good bit is that it would give a whole set of reasons to ignore the Civil Service code when you felt your political masters weren’t British enough …..

  25. Julia,

    “AS I pointed out over at Longrider’s, there are those who will say that he can suggest this nonsense because ‘he’s not really British himself’…”

    As I said over at C@W, this isn’t about the message its about the messenger signalling that its OK for the Tories to elect a 1st generation Asian as leader and, by extension, PM, because he’s one of us.

    From what I’ve seen and heard he’s a good guy, as far as pols go.

    As for the idea of an Oath of Britishness, someone needs to kill this zombie idea once and for all.

  26. For Canadian citizenship you have to swear an oath, and some people are campaigning to have allegiance to the sovereign removed or optional, I did jokingly point out being British I was already a subject of the sovereign and so did it count anyway

  27. @Fecks,

    The assailant in the pushed downstairs case is currently on remand.

    The rest of it is your usual foetid discharge.

  28. Alongside the bloke who released the CCTV footage thus committing the obviously far worse crime of letting Germany and the world know what is going on.

    Such is the foetid state of your chosen homeland Biggie discharge is what you need–preferably discharging the scum back where they came from.

  29. What is wrong with “I, (Insert full name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.” or “I, (Insert full name), do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors, according to law.”?

    Even as an atheist republican, I can take the affirmation (a president would be a successor to Her Majesty according to law – the whole point of the “and successors according to law” bit was that Parliament decided that James II was having a successor according to law right now whether he liked it or not), so I have no problem with it being extended to the civil service from the military; the only people whose conscience it violates are Sinn Féin, and given what their conscience has permitted in the past, I don’t give a damn.

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