No

What we need now is a commitment to a much greater – and universal – equality of outcomes. Is that a liberal value?

From our ever popular Questions in the Guardian we can answer series.

Not how the argument is constructed:

Liberalism stands for the freedom of the individual and the sanctity of individual liberties – as well as the openness and plurality that Freedland prefers to celebrate. The right of the individual to freedom from regulation or restraint is the notion that has driven globalisation, market fundamentalism and our present, unfettered, toxic form of capitalism. And those are the forces that have stripped many of the Trump voters in the rust belt and Brexit supporters in the north of England of their security, their dignity and their hope for their kids. Clinton (both), Blair, Cameron, Obama, all social liberals, all drank the neoliberal Kool Aid. The failure of progressives to sever social liberalism from its economic counterpart has led us to this crisis (Clegg, take note). Brexit and Trump are in many ways the fruits of liberalism.

Apparently liberalism means you can fuck anyone you want but not buy an apple from them. Odd view of the world really.

13 comments on “No

  1. Universal equality of outcomes.

    Let that sink in…

    So whatever you do, however many hours your work, whatever innovation you bring to the table, whatever your skills are, or if you choose to sit on your arrse all day, you should have exactly the same outcome as anyone else.

    And these people wonder why they don’t get much traction amongst the striving classes?

  2. In pursuit of his universal equality of outcomes, this moronic guardianista would soon be calling for the liquidation of all those opposing his socialist hell – for the glory of the revolution, naturally.

  3. I suspect that Rod Wood of Nottingham feels that life has dealt him a bum hand, and he has not attained the outcome of which he considers himself worthy.

    Hence the “equality of outcomes” thing.

    If I have surmised correctly, it’s an excellent example of someone dressing up as altruistic a profoundly selfish and vicious desire for himself to have more and for others to have less.

  4. “Apparently liberalism means you can fuck anyone you want but not buy an apple from them.”

    Actually you can’t fuck who you want, because if you happen to have a penchant for fucking people of a different race/culture, that’s racist now, apparently.

  5. @Jim – just think, all those people who bought *ethnic” music CD’s back in the day to prove their non-racist credentials are now racist for egregious acts of cultural imperialism.

  6. @abacab – that’s good, perhaps we can lock up Paul Simon and Peter Gabriel as facilitators of this rampant racist bigotry. And close down WOMAD.

  7. “I suspect that Rod Wood of Nottingham feels that life has dealt him a bum hand, and he has not attained the outcome of which he considers himself worthy.”

    Quite likely; but then all socialism is a mental pathology of some kind.

  8. You can’t have apples because they originate from mongolia, turnips are good but not Swedes for obvious reasons

  9. “if you happen to have a penchant for fucking people of a different race/culture, that’s racist now, apparently.”

    It’s only racist if you’re white. Non-white people can never ever be racist. Of course that still leaves a conundrum, given that it’s hard to figure out how the non-white partner in a white/non-white relationship is able to actually find a partner since the (white) partner would necessarily be racist and therefore prohibited from entering said relationship. Unless there’s a distinction for the fucker vs. the fuckee in the relationship? The white fucker is a racist (which admittedly sounds a bit like a tautology), while the white fuckee with a non-white fucker is excused of racism on the basis that he/she/xe is the “ee,” not the “er”?

  10. I like the last letter which asks why the minority-trumpeting Guardian isn’t promoting the views of the minority of Guardian readers who voted Leave.

  11. It’s the old Fabian rage at thinking oneself frightfully clever and then wondering why awful people that don’t even read the Guradina earn so much more than oneself. They don’t really want equality of outcome, because that would also apply to the lower, Daily Mail and Sun-reading classes, and then they’d have no one to look down on.

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