Very efficient, eh?

A council is facing ridicule after advising residents to put their rubbish in the freezer to stop it smelling after it cancelled collections over Christmas and New Year.

Derby City Council issued a list of Christmas waste and recycling tips to get them through a 10-day period without any refuse rounds which included a call for people to bag up food waste and store it in the freezer until the next collection.

The reason for fewer collections is to encourage recycling, in order to save resources. And freezing your rubbish saves resources, does it?

37 comments on “Very efficient, eh?

  1. “…a list of Christmas waste and recycling tips to get them through a 10-day period without any refuse rounds…”

    There’ll be a corresponding reduction in the rates to compensate for lack of service, I presume..?

  2. Town Councils are busy playing politics or just being habitually incompetent (or both) instead of doing their most basic duties.

    Because austerity?

  3. “…a further list of craft tips to cut waste including how to make a Thanksgiving Turkey napkin holder and a Pilgrim Fathers hat made from a bucket and a brown paper bag.”

    Just checking, but this is ‘Derby, England‘…?

  4. Has anyone actually asked this council what they think their job is? I mean, apart from picking up the garbage, do they serve any useful function at all?

    Hempen rope time.

  5. About 2am, here, we got a cab across town to visit a bar. The cab was held up, in one of the narrow streets, because….. the local authority refuse truck was collecting rubbish. It’s a nightly collection. Every night.
    It’s things like this story remind me why I left the UK with no intention to return. It’s not that it happens, but you all seem content to let it happen. The Derby councillors will be returned next election, won’t they?

  6. BiS,
    Not sure I agree.

    I’ve half left the UK, but not due to waste collections, and the local council has avoided tax increases for years.

    Why Spain allows itself to be pauperized for the sake of the EU’s self-image is beyond me.

  7. “…freezing your rubbish saves resources, does it?”

    Quite so. But then does the way plastic is recycled “save resources”? It might do if it was washed centrally and recycled locally. But, instead, millions of hot taps are run to wash plastic food containers, the stuff is then collected in lorries and then much of it is transported in vast quantities to Felixstowe and shipped to China. So we have created a tradeable commodity here, and trade is good. But would an environmental audit show that overall the whole process “saves resources”? I doubt the recycling of the plastic outweighs environmentally the impact of the fuel resources consumed in the cleaning and gathering of it and then transporting the stuff across the globe.

    Bilbaoboy: it’s Washington Monument syndrome, and it really boils my piss!

  8. Of course, the reason you can’t just chuck it all in a hole in the ground to rot is going to go away with Brexit hopefully.

    Until then, I suggest dumping uncollected food waste en masse on the council office steps or donate it to your local councillor. It’ll be collected in no time for sure then.

  9. DCC has far better things to do than collect rubbish, you right-wing loons!

    http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/derby-city-council-to-invest-2-5-million-on-sprucing-up-its-headquarters/story-29953021-detail/story.html

    “Derby City Council wants to rebuild part of its state-of-the-art headquarters – only a few years after it underwent a £32 million overhaul.

    The Labour-led authority has confirmed it is “looking at an opportunity” to redevelop the ground floor of the Council House, at a cost of up to £2.5 million. The move has angered taxpayers, as it comes at a time when the council is saving £45 million to offset cuts to its funding.”

  10. There’s a very good reason for having a log burner – it reduces your need for waste collection no end………

  11. I have to confess I have been freezing my food waste for some time. Not for space reasons; just to avoid attracting foxes to the bin.

    As Jack C says, local councils, at least Tory ones, seem to do a pretty good job compared to central government. Less stuff to mess up I suppose; and they can’t borrow (although tell that to the woefully underfunded local authority pension schemes though).

    I’d like to leave the UK but Spain hardly seems like a natural choice for a lover of liberty and good government. US is looking up post Trump but not as easy as just selling up and going, what with wife and young family.

  12. NS
    Yes. Recently, my local council removed two litter bins from the street where I live. Allegedly, because the bins were old and replacements were no longer available, but in fact to save money by reducing the number of bins to be emptied. So I wrote to my local councillor saying that if the bins were not replaced, I would collect the litter, deliver it to the Council offices and invoice them for my time at the NMW. Initially, there was some stonewalling from the officers, but then my councillor insisted that at least one of the bins should be replaced (in a larger size). The amount of time and effort that the Council’s officers put into trying to frustrate my wishes and those of an elected representative was quite extraordinary. It would have been cheaper to sack some pen-pushers rather than removing bins.

  13. @JackC
    Well, I’ve done the rather neat trick of being able to benefit from things like daily rubbish collection & other things that make life pleasant – lower booze taxes, easier going laws & enforcement on a lot of the things I enjoy – whilst not being exposed to much of Spain’s, EU wrecked, economic problems. Actually I even manage to leverage those in my favour. So it’s a win-win situation.
    But there’s no reason why a country can’t have a thriving economy without all this cockwaffle. Quite the opposite. As Theo points out, it probably does economic damage.

  14. If you have space in the freezer doesn’t filling it make it more efficient?

    This is a Labour council, so as Theo says, more likely to be Washington Monument Syndrome. Our council has just shifted the collection by a day for 2 weeks, meaning Saturday collections, and they took one of the biggest cuts in Govt funding.

  15. I’m similar, I “live” in a state with zero income tax, work in four others, and live in the UK.

    Unless you know the cost, the regularity of rubbish collections is not an indication of anything. I’d be pretty fucked off if my taxi was held up or my sleep disturbed by unnecessary collection vehicles. Cash in envelopes remains the Green option when diverting public funds.

  16. The recycling caper is an EU fetish.

    There is NO reason that it could not be stopped NOW.

    But that useless BluLab cow May isn’t going to do so.

  17. I wonder (not really) what Derby Council’s food inspectors would make of a restaurant that followed this suggested practice?

  18. @Jack C
    I was living in a London apartment & the local authority was just getting into it’s stride with all this waste collection bollocks. The scheme, as at present, is built around the “customers” all being in 9-5 desk jobs. By now I wouldn’t be getting my rubbish collected, ever.
    Then there was the “controlled parking zone” they brought in against strenuous local objections, reduced the availability of on-street parking to where you were paying a lot of money to not be able to park.
    Plus my 100 meter long street having 92 recorded crime incidents in a single month. Zero police presence in the area outside of the 9-5 working hours might have had the teeniest influence on that…..

  19. That advice is energetically sound. Freezers work best when full. But the yuck factor probably means that only half a dozen people will take the advice.

  20. My brother-in-law’s hobby is taxidermy. So I never open his freezer, because alongside the frozen food are bags containing roadkill.

  21. Our area has a state-of-the-art incinerator called Zabalgarbi. Burns rubbish to generate electricity.

    I am working hard to convince my family that washing yoghurt pots to recycle them (which almost certainly doesn’t happen, at least not without shipping them somewhere) is far worse than burning them in an environmentally-friendly (well almost) incinerator facility.

    The province next door, run by our Sinn Fein equivalent ETA derived party, refuses to build an incinerator (because green) but has put nothing else in place and expects us to burn their crap free!!!!

    Happy New Year to you all!

  22. That advice is energetically sound. Freezers work best when full.

    I think what you mean is that a freezer works best when full of things you want to freeze, not that freezing garbage saves energy. Freezing things costs money, and garbage is no different.

  23. Jim nails it. And you can have some sport with the empty wheely bins if you fill them up with water to hopefully freeze solid before any collection. 🙂

  24. My local councillor told me that the collection company needs to write down its £100k Mercedes-chassis collection vehicles in 3 years, which tells me – despite the fact that socially he’s a nice guy – that he is a complete fuckwit. I want weekly collections as sometimes you can’t get the bin out (working away from home) and that means monthly collections.

    I asked for a quote for the extra cost of weekly collections – frankly, relative to the unnecessary things the councils do it is peanuts. And the bloody binmen turn up alternate weeks for the recycling anyway. If recycling was sustainable the fuckers would pay to collect it.

  25. “I think what you mean is that a freezer works best when full of things you want to freeze, not that freezing garbage saves energy. Freezing things costs money, and garbage is no different.”

    When I can be bothered about it, I keep the empty plastic lidded boxes we use for food storage in the freezer. Fills up a lot of the unused space & stops the cold air falling out on the floor when you open the door. Chilling a few grams of plastic costs virtually nothing & when you need them, you’ll be putting them in the fridge or freezer anyway.

  26. The reason for fewer collections is to encourage recycling, in order to save resources.

    I’m guessing that the “resources” being saved are those of the council, since it would seem that council tax payers are being put to increasingly high levels of inconvenience to do one of the things which councils were established to do, namely emptying the fucking bins.

    Presumably this is not saving on the labour costs of bin men (which are largely outsourced to private contractors nowadays), this may make them easier to manage (since no unions), but it doesn’t make them necessarily cheaper.

    I suspect that the cost of providing and maintaining recycling and incineration facilities acceptable to the EUSSR is the main cost (and a whopping one as well), hence the council taxpayer has to be shafted in other ways to try and reduce the costs / volume / landfill charges.

    This is one of the great things about BRExit, not only can we get rid of the direct payments of £350 million a week (or whatever), but we can get rid of all of the EU idiocy which might be necessary in Holland or Luxemburg, but which is idiotic in rural Wales.

  27. If my rubbish got collected every other week I’d need to be up on the roof of my apartment with an AR-15 potting the rottweiler-sized rats that would overrun the place.

  28. There’s a very good reason for having a log burner – it reduces your need for waste collection no end………

    Except incinerating some waste will probably release toxic compounds into your living room and on to the area around you house, as well as bunging up your flue.

  29. I’d bung up the flues of Council Fuckwits with dustbins full of waste given half a chance …

  30. 10 days? When I left over 8 years ago it was every 2 weeks collection so 10 days would have been a luxury

  31. People in little-ass house with little-ass appliances are supposed to have room in the freezer to bag their garbage because the Council decided to use force to monopolize control of garbage collection and give itself a 10 day extra holiday?

    In a country where pickup every two-weeks is the norm they’re going to tack on an extra 10 days?

    I’d take it round city hall, douse it in gas (er, petrol) and toss the flaming bags towards the front door.

    Seriously though – these people should at a minimum just take their garbage round their council’s offices and toss it into their dumpster and when that’s filled, lay the bags around it.

  32. JuliaM
    January 2, 2017 at 9:34 am

    “…a further list of craft tips to cut waste including how to make a Thanksgiving Turkey napkin holder and a Pilgrim Fathers hat made from a bucket and a brown paper bag.”

    Just checking, but this is ‘Derby, England‘…?

    It may be self-deprecating, but maybe they’re thankful that we left?

  33. Here in Dunedin, the rubbish is collected every Monday morning. The last two weeks being no exception with Christmas and New Year making no difference. There is also no restriction on the amount so long as it is conatained in the official black bags which are bought in the local shops.We also have a private contractor collecting the same day. I have no idea how much he chargesas I only generate enough rubbish for one small bag. Some Councils do seem to be efficient.

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