The Guardian will be praising this, won’t they?

Despite rising earnings inequality among working households, inequality in total net household incomes (including benefits and after taxes) across the vast majority of the population is actually lower than 20 years ago. Key reasons for this include tax credits boosting the incomes of low earners, a catch-up of pensioners with the rest of the population, and falling rates of household worklessness.

23 comments on “The Guardian will be praising this, won’t they?

  1. Interesting article in The Times by Ed Conway, pointing out that we are becoming more equal at a faster rate than ever before.

    Despite to continual bleating from the left, the facts don’t support their inequality guff.

  2. Nope. Chris Dillow had a blog post yesterday on these stats which basically said ‘Well its just Stats, and we ‘know’ that the rich are getting richer so this proves nothing, and we on the Left certainly won’t stop claiming inequality is rising’.

  3. Karl Marx predicted the workers would get poorer. For the second edition of Das Kapital, he updated all the figures – except for one. He left the figures for the workers’ wages the same as in the first edition. As British workers’ salaries almost trebled in Marx’s lifetime it is not hard to see why.

    Not a single Leftist cared then. Not a single one will care now.

  4. Equality is no more than a front for envy and since envy is irreducible the left can never be satisfied.

    In the ultimate leftist state those disposessed to the point of destitution are accused of hoarding.

  5. Dillow’s post:
    > And this damage is considerable. It consists not just of slower economic growth but of increased distrust and coarsened politics

    What on earth could have caused that increased distrust?

  6. Don’t get me started. This inequality bollocks really gets on my tits – lefties can’t bang on about real poverty because there’s actually very little of it so ‘relative poverty’ and ‘inequality’ are all they’ve got left.

    Even if we tried to do more to level out income/wealth, given that we’re all going to have different attributes/circumstances, we’ll never be perfectly equal – but we’re never told how much inequality would actually be tolerated by a lefty society.

  7. “but we’re never told how much inequality would actually be tolerated by a lefty society.”

    Lefties want to be on the right side of a level of inequality which is enough to make them feel smug about themselves but not feel guilty.

  8. The Groan’s list of causes didn’t include the large increase in the personal allowance against income tax, presumably because that would give credit to the Coalition government and its Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer.

  9. “Even if we tried to do more to level out income/wealth, given that we’re all going to have different attributes/circumstances, we’ll never be perfectly equal – but we’re never told how much inequality would actually be tolerated by a lefty society.”

    You could, tomorrow, redistribute savings and wealth around the entire population and enforce equal income, and within a couple of months you’d have massive wealth inequality as some pissed it all up the wall and others saved.

    And the left would bleat about rising inequality.

  10. Chris Dillow used to be worth the occasional glance. His strapline says he’s an extremist not a fanatic. Now, he’s both.

  11. “Dramatic rise in proportion of low-wage men working part time”

    Surely the Guardian will the praising this, it’s increasing equality between men and women.

  12. abacab said:
    “You could, tomorrow, redistribute savings and wealth around the entire population and enforce equal income, and within a couple of months you’d have massive wealth inequality as some pissed it all up the wall and others saved.”

    Which is why Murphy wants to stop private savings and investment as well.

  13. abacab

    Incidentally, your point is not dissimilar to the Parable of the Talents.

    Matthew 25:14-25:30 & Luke 19:12-19:27

  14. My one and only go at trying to talk sense into Murphy on his blog lasted about an hour and ended when I tried to persuade him that inequality in a country wasn’t actually the problem but that basic prosperity was more important. I asked which of two similar Gini countries he would prefer to live in, one western Europe, one Third World. No answer, of course. Man’s a twat.

  15. “Dramatic rise in proportion of low-wage men working part time”
    Surely the Guardian will the praising this, it’s increasing equality between men and women.

    Hmmm. I tried pointing this out on the G’s website at lunchtime, and my comment was immediately deleted. But why? It’s the standard G advocated social engineering methodology, pull the better-off down to ensure equality with the worse-off. I’m pointing out the the real world is working the way the G has been arguing it should.

  16. 99% of the Leftist whining about inequality comes from people who by an objective standard are doing better than most in society, but consider they should be further up the tree than they are. It rarely comes from those who could be considered hard done by. Thus a teacher on 30-40K will moan about ‘the rich’ despite being well north of the median UK salary, whereas manual workers earning considerably less don’t tend to assume they are entitled to higher wages, just because.

    Its all just middle class envy.

  17. This is Schumpeter’s “Sociology of the Intellectuals” (in Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy). They are not well-suited to life in an entrepreneurial society and feel that their talents are undervalued by the market. The remedy for this, by their lights, is not to gain those talents that enable one to succeed in an entrepreneurial society but to distort or destroy the market. Eventually the destruction of the market becomes an end in itself, despite repeated examples of where that leads. It’s pathological, and therefore largely immune to argument. Really, these people don’t have any workable idea of what should replace the market, just a generalised sense that markets are bad and have to go. This is a Bad Idea.

    “Even the idiot who killed the goose that laid the golden eggs thought he’d get more eggs that way, not that the goose had it coming.”

  18. “Its all just middle class envy.”

    Never under-estimate proletarian envy: it’s there, but it is simply less articulate. The underclass (20-30% of the UK population?) want what the middle classes have, but they aren’t prepared to work for it. And redistributive taxation means they can get the state to do their thieving for them while they laze about.

  19. When you have done with all this you just must address the harsh fact that not everyone is equally tall.

  20. @ john malpas
    Don’t tell the Grauniad or they will demand that Procrustes be recalled to eliminate that unfairness!

  21. john malpas – “When you have done with all this you just must address the harsh fact that not everyone is equally tall.”

    I would like to see the Guardian address the more important issue of breast inequality. Nature, or God, has given some women a lot more than others. Have they asked Amanda what she thinks?

    Surely this cries out for action?

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