Entirely fascinating

The dossier published by BuzzFeed was originally intended as “opposition research” against Mr. Trump. There’s nothing unusual about this; political campaigns routinely investigate the background of their opponents to identify vulnerabilities. This information is often passed quietly to reporters in hopes that a damaging article will result. What was surprising in this case was that the allegations against Mr. Trump, none of them verified, ended up on a highly popular news website.

Wait, what?

Is he really saying what I think he’s saying? That peegate dossier was originally done by the Hillary campaign?

If so isn’t that actually rather the story here?

32 comments on “Entirely fascinating

  1. As I heard it, it was originally done for the Jeb Bush campaign. Then we he dropped out the company that commissioned it went to work for Hillary,

  2. That British idiot who became involved should be crucified. Upside down.

    Kinder, I suspect, than what his former colleagues have in mind for him.

  3. What BiW said. Though the piss story itself seems have come from 4chan and ended up being bundled into the dodgy dossier by the CIA, which was hawked around both parties and various media outlets for some months before CNN/Buzzfeed decided it was news.

  4. BIW, not precisely.

    Yes it was commissioned (and, presumably, paid for) by GOPers who backed Bush. The company that did the research is named Fusion GPS.

    But after Bush imploded, the company did not proceed on its own. Instead it found some Hillary backers who were only too pleased to access the research by paying it, too.

    The research company no doubt thought it was brilliant to be compensated twice for the same research (once by Republicans, and again by Democrats.) Doesn’t look brilliant now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/us/politics/trump-intelligence-report-explainer.html?_r=0

  5. The amusing thing is that all this stuff is just inoculating Trump from future (possibly real) scandals. I mean the whole ‘grab them by the pussy’ thing didn’t seem to bother anyone much despite being true, and this is just more mud to be stirred into the mix that will become so opaque than any real scandal will be lost in it. They are actually making it easier for Trump to ride out future problems.

  6. “bundled into the dodgy dossier by the CIA”: was there any point in its existence when the CIA was competent?

  7. The ‘grab them by the pussy’ transcript:

    “Trump: Yeah, that’s her, with the gold. I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

    Unidentified voice: Whatever you want.

    Trump: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

    Any male commenter here want to deny saying the same if not much more when with the guys after a few drinks? Do any of you deny occasionally being envious of stars because they can grab stuff you can’t?

    A lucky man is wise if he acknowledges his luck. The bastard.

  8. Jim,

    It’s like people talking about the NHS in crisis. No-one’s buying it. If there was ever a real crisis, people would be very skeptical.

  9. “Any male commenter here want to deny saying the same if not much more when with the guys after a few drinks?”

    Me for one. I have zero interest in grabbing random women’s groins in public, however attractive they are or how much they come on to you.

    But that my choice of conduct. I don’t condemn Trump for his actions/locker room talk, while many will deny it there are plenty of women out there who get off on the heady mixture of fame, power and wealth and would be delighted to be felt up by a billionaire, particularly one like Trump. And chances are Trump knows exactly which ones they are, and uses and abuses that fact. The fact so many women voted for him tells you the effect money and power can have on them.

  10. Work in an office full of women for any length of time and you’ll a damn sight ‘worse’ stuff than the Trump grabbing comment.

  11. Me for two.
    What Trump says is his own business but I, for one, find thar sort of talk distasteful. Maybe it is tolerated in American locker rooms but I’ve never heard it in British changing rooms.

  12. Work in an office full of women for any length of time and you’ll a damn sight ‘worse’ stuff than the Trump grabbing comment.

    The office? If you really want your hair curled, eavesdrop on your wife and her friends discussing men and sex.

  13. Trump doesn’t apologise for much, but he did apologise for that pussy-grabbing comment, which was made quite a while ago (and was done on a crudely humorous radio show where talking crap was what it was all about). So you can’t really hold it against him that much.

    I note that Christopher Steele was said to be a rabid socialist at Cambridge, and the Mail reports that “A former university contemporary has described him as an unlikely spy, telling MailOnline: ‘Chris Steele was the last person I would have thought would be taken on by MI6.’ The former Cambridge student – who attended at the same time as Steele – continued: ‘He was very left wing in his university days, but that wasn’t the worst of it. He was completely charmless. I have never heard of a spy who was not charming. However he was very ambitious, ruthless and frankly not a very nice guy. In fact I would go as far as to say he was a sneaky, snivelling little creep, who was universally untrusted.’

  14. MI6 have a habit of employing the ‘right’ type of person, who then turns out to be either fucking useless or a fucking traitor.

    Kim Philby etc.

  15. “MI6 have a habit of employing the ‘right’ type of person, who then turns out to be either fucking useless or a fucking traitor.”

    From what I’ve seen they are second only to BP in employing the Oxbridge crowd to the exclusion of all others.

    I’m sure they have the same HR staff too, and an impeccable rainbow diversity policy that applies, but only as long as everyone thinks exactly the same way.

  16. MI6 recruit for particular skillsets. Rather nice recruitment process compared to the general civil service.

  17. I also have never made comments about women as crude as Trump.

    Despite being quite crude in general, and swearing prolifically, I find such talk to be on the same level as racism — and while not offended I will actively avoid people who talk like that.

  18. I Thought his original comment was “stroke a cat”, which the MSM turned into “grab a pussy” and then moaned about “fake news”.

  19. Vast numbers of people–including women–have said worse about women than the remarks Trump is alleged to have made,

    And frankly, depending on the woman, many negative remarks about the behaviour of women are likely entirely justified. Certainly as justified as the nasty remarks daily made by femmi-scum about men.

  20. @john77

    Do you remember this little ditty (popular in the 60s/70s):

    He’s a Cambridge man, up the wrong end of a punt;
    He’s a Cambridge man, and we really must be blunt:
    If you think the Secret Service have been looking rather nervous,
    They remember that Guy Burgess was a Cambridge man.
    He ignores the girls of Girton (he’s a Cambridge man);
    He has crossed the Iron Curtain (he’s a Cambridge man)
    And we’ll all discover later that he’s been a long-term traitor
    Funded by a red dictator (he’s a Cambridge man).

  21. >@ David Moore
    >The Burgess/MacLean/Philby team were all Cambridge.

    ‘Oxbridge’ means Oxford and Cambridge.

  22. Over the other side of the pond, the CIA has always lent much more heavily towards the Democrats than the Republicans, despite the fever dreams of campus radicals. That an agency of the Deep State should favour the party of Big Government comes as a surprise to many, which says volumes about what deep thinkers they’re not.

  23. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

    That part of Trump’s quote seems to forever be ignored by anyone commentating on it. He was not talking about “grabbing pussy” of random unsuspecting passers-by, he’s explicitly talking about women who are attracted enough to him to let him do it.

    The man’s rich and powerful, which clearly is something that many women he meets are attracted to given his string of models for wives. There are many women, hot women, who consent to him “grabbing pussy”. And it’s those that he grabs. The whole thing just is not a big deal at all and yet it’s the biggest scandal both the DNC AND the RNC could find on him in 18 months of desperate searching.

  24. Imagine the fuss if the Trump camp had been caught trying to dig up dirt on his political opponents by involving ex-MI6 agents, and possibly MI6 itself. There’d be Guardian headlines forever, BBC mini-series, etc. But it’s the other way around, so no-one cares about that aspect of the story.

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