Yes Jonathan? And?

We’ve learned too that the dossier included a claim of secret meetings between Trump aides and Russian officials. Now, that claim has not been proved and could of course turn out to be, as Trump insists, “garbage”. But it comes from a document deemed sufficiently credible by US intelligence agencies that they briefed both President Obama and Trump on its contents.

I’ve met Russian officials. And?

Jeebus, the snowflakes really are losing it, aren’t they?

The mistake is to project on to Trump the standards that would normally apply. Take this week’s parallel drama, as several of his nominees came before the senate to have their appointments confirmed. They all offered sweet words of reassurance: the would-be attorney general insisting he was no racist; the prospective secretary of state avowing that he was no patsy to Putin. Official Washington seized on these morsels of comfort, especially when Trump tweeted an apparent admission that his senior team were at odds with him on several core issues: “I want them to be themselves and express their own thoughts, not mine!”

But what if such licensed independence is all for show? Maybe Trump has no plan to use these cabinet members for anything but window dressing. On foreign policy, Rex Tillerson could turn out to be a glorified ambassador, says Robin Niblett, the director of Chatham House. Real decision-making power might reside with Trump, son-in-law Jared Kushner, Breitbart founder Steve Bannon, and firebreathing national security adviser Mike Flynn. That would fit Trump’s style, says Niblett, with “Power concentrated ever closer around the chief executive.”

And Hills would have given her Cabinet operational freedom too, yes?

They’re just going nuts.

30 comments on “Yes Jonathan? And?

  1. “Maybe Trump has no plan to use these cabinet members for anything but window dressing.”

    All these men have been in the public eye for decades. I can see a single one of them ever being considered ‘window dressing’ except in the wildest fantasy of the left.

    I think many of them want, desperately, for Trump to be Hitler, and the moment he was truly revealed as such with some evil deed, they would all instantly step into line and follow his every command. They know they deserve it.

  2. We’re this secret meetings secret in the sense that they used spy craft to avoid anyone knowing about them or were the contents of the meetings secret?

    If the former, which I very much doubt, then perhaps there are questions to be answered. If the latter then meh, just another example of SJW journalists believing they have a devine right to know everything.

  3. They are desperately trying –along with elements of the GOP/CIA etc –to sink Trump in any way possible. Trump needs to publically mass purge the CIA the instant he gets in.

    That’s what I would do.

    And have Obama arrested for treason just as he is leaving the White House. The same instant that Bill and Kill –the Toxic Twins–are also arrested on the same charge. Although those two can also expect a large crew of espionage and murder charges to be arriving in due course as well.

  4. Don’t you just love the term “secret meetings”? So sinister.
    Last week I had several “secret meetings” with the girlfriend & compounded my elusive behaviour with “secret meetings” with my Spanish lawyer, the plumber, the pool guy & some bloke wants to flog me glass curtains for the apartment. At no point have I issued a press release or made any public statements regarding what was discussed.
    I await the arrival of Guardian investigators with trepidation.

  5. “especially when Trump tweeted an apparent admission that his senior team were at odds with him on several core issues: “I want them to be themselves and express their own thoughts, not mine!””

    A good leader surrounds himself with competent people who know their own minds, not sychophants who always agree with them. Sometimes they will agree with the advice and change their minds, other times they will override it. No doubt the press will make a big deal of any differences but sensible people will just shrug and accept there’s no right answer to most political and economic problems.

  6. “In the same vein, and in an astonishing development, the Israeli press has reported that its country’s intelligence officials have been advised by their US counterparts not to share intel with the Trump administration, lest that information find its way to Moscow, and from there to Tehran.”

    Let’s get some thing straight:Putin is really bad man. Russia is worseace for his presence, the world is a worse place. Anyone who thinks other wise is an idiot. The only sensible way to deal with Putin is to be aware of Russia’s power (Russia’s power; not Puton’s) and his record to use it badly. Praising him as a “strong leader” is for arseholes. Trump is an arsehole.

  7. And you, Ironman, are an idiot.

    The fucking CIA aren’t talking to Israel cos they give a shit about Israel–did they publicly try to sabotage Oscama’s anti-Israel UN capers? Like Hell .

    They are campaigning against Trump.

    Yet another Purge is called for. Across the Pond this time.

  8. And Putin IS a bad man. No worse than Oscama say or Killery or Camoron. He has more freedom to do bad deeds than those three arseholes. That is all. They would all have done far worse if they could have.

    Putin can be countered without WW3 or ruining whole countries and sending their 18-30 male dross in the West’s direction.

  9. Putin may well be a bad man, but as far as I can see, he’s far more popular with the Russian people than Obama is with the septics.

  10. Does anyone seriously think the US public would have voted for someone to be their president if there were any credible links around him being too matey with the head Russkie?

    These are the older people, raised on stuff like Red Dawn, Firefox and Rocky IV. The people who loved Reagan.

    The problem is that the trust in “august institutions” is collapsing. No-one believes the CIA after the WMD thing and no-one trusts the press much either. You end up having to read around a lot and applying your own occam’s razor to the situation.

  11. Lots of ‘could’, ‘possibly’ and ‘maybe’ in that article isn’t there? Just another media smear job against President Elect Trump and his team.

    The problem for the media is that they’ve been consistently lying about President Elect Trump and deliberately misrepresenting his positions on everything for the last 18 months, so that it’s almost impossible for them to retreat from that stance now.

  12. Yes, Putin’s a bad man – his people starve due to crop failure and his army is overrun with Islamists and ‘Russian’ is synonymous with incompetence and corruption and…

    Wait. No, that’s any number of Middle Eastern and African countries.

  13. JuliaM – Yes.

    I hear Putin is also deliberately importing third world rapists to displace his own people, then covering up their crimes against children.

    And he wrecked Libya and turned it over to the terrorists. Then large quantities of Russian military hardware mysteriously appeared in ISIS hands.

    And he openly campaigned for his country to abolish its own sovereignty, telling wild tales of all sorts of disasters that would supposedly befall them if they didn’t submit to unelected foreign bureaucrats.

    Bad Emmanuel Goldstein Putin. Bad!

  14. “It’s not the evidence, it’s the seriousness of the charges that demand we investigate.” – Rush

  15. [s]Bush[/s]Trump Derangement Syndrome over the next four years is going to be incredible, isn’t it?

  16. Yep, I thought people here wold think Putin is basically alright. Is he worse than Obama? Oh yes, his record speaks for itself. Is he worse than Hilary? Easy question again. Could only nut jobs see it differently? Well Mr Ecks does.

  17. Ironman – Narp.

    Putin is an authoritarian kleptomanic, sure. Welcome to Russia. He’s a threat to his own people’s civil liberties. But Russia has survived the Tsars and Stalin. Putin is a soft wobbly liberal by their standards.

    Western leaders, OTOH, are an existential threat to their own nations. Desperate to turn their own homelands into a sort of colder, Islamier version of South Africa.

  18. Ecks was right; there is no telling what crimes Der Rodham could have gotten away with under conditions similar to Putin’s.

  19. So, lets see the quotes about Putin…

    And Putin IS a bad man.

    – Ecks

    Putin may well be a bad man

    – Me

    Yes, Putin’s a bad man

    – JuliaM

    Yep, I thought people here wold think Putin is basically alright.

    – Ironman

    Er?

  20. I am so totally fed up with this ZOMYGODS Trump/Russia connection from people who were all “but that’s different” for Clinton’s russia ties. Either russia ties are bad, or they’re not.

    Putin’s a shithead – but anyone relaxed about Clinton’s ties to his régime who’s screaming now needs a big steamy hot cup of STFU, STAT.

  21. “Western leaders, OTOH, are an existential threat to their own nations”

    No they’re not. That is just just batshit crazy.

  22. Cockrot Ironman –of course the bastards are. They have:

    — run us up to the brink of economic disaster

    –Allowed Marxian scum to infiltrate everywhere and run leftist propaganda empires

    –They are encouraging 18-30 yobs (who regard us as Club –& Stab– Med for rapists) to arrive in as great a number as possible.
    –They snoop and spy and plan a War on Cash that will = living in a fucking goldfish bowl.

    –and on aand on aaand on.

  23. something must be done about Putin – nope. Something must be done about Trump. nope. Something must be done about,, i’ll stop you there.. nope.

  24. I thought experience had taught us that the internal affairs of other countries was none of our business.

    We may well wish that the Middle East would embrace democracy, for example, but there’s very little we can do about it. A good relationship with Russia has to be better than a bad one, as we certainly can’t invade. Shares in ISIS are certainly down.

    We need to remember the following:

    1) Russia is a vast improvement on the Soviet Union.
    2) Most countries are not liberal democracies, or haven’t been for very long. Most European nations were not democracies when I was born in 1964 (something like two-thirds were not).

  25. Putin is no threat to the West.

    It’s not just me that thinks that, it is the leadership of all those European countries that fail to meet their NATO defence spending targets.

    As for the yank political establishment, they largely ignored Putin until they thought he could be a weapon against Trump.

  26. As for this shit:

    “In the same vein, and in an astonishing development, the Israeli press has reported that its country’s intelligence officials have been advised by their US counterparts not to share intel with the Trump administration, lest that information find its way to Moscow, and from there to Tehran.”

    What was the CIA telling Israeli intelligence when the Obama administration gave Iran a green light to build its own nukes?

    Fuck right off.

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