So, it’s Vova who understands these things then

Speaking at a press conference with Molodovan president Igor Dodon in the Kremlin on Tuesday, Mr Putin said the dossier was “an obvious fake” and ridiculed the suggestion that the Russian secret services “chase after every American billionaire.”

He also suggested Mr Trump would not have fallen for a honey trap if one had been laid, asking: “He arrived here and immediately ran off to meet Moscow prostitutes?”

“This is an adult and, moreover, a man who for many years has organised beauty contests. He socialized with the most beautiful women in the world. I can hardly imagine he rushed to the hotel to meet our girls of lower social responsibility -even though they are the best in the world, of course.”

“We are witnessing an ongoing acute political struggle in the US, whose task is to undermine the legitimacy of the president-elect,” he said. “The people doing this are doing enormous damage to American national interests.”

And isn’t girls of lower social responsibility such a lovely way of phrasing it?

55 comments on “So, it’s Vova who understands these things then

  1. I’ve realised what the American left reminds me of on this issue. In the Simpsons episode “Homer’s Enemy”, Frank Grimes becomes so enraged with Homer that he grabs a live electrical cable “because the rules don’t matter, because I’m Homer Simpson”. He is electrocuted and dies.

    Buzzfeed et al seem to have gone “Welp. Post-truth politics, we can do what we like” and come up with this absolute drivel in response.

  2. “…our girls of lower social responsibility -even though they are the best in the world, of course.”

    There are echoes of Borat there.

  3. “We are witnessing an ongoing acute political struggle in the US, whose task is to undermine the legitimacy of the president-elect,” he said. “The people doing this are doing enormous damage to American national interests.”

    Troll level: grand master by just stating the bleedin’ obvious.

  4. Whatever his dark side Putin has pride in his country. When he says that Russian prossies are the best I believe he means it. I can think of few Western leaders who could say anything good about their nations without sounding like hypocrites and a cut-down Judas on throat lozenges.

  5. TN

    Yep. Basically Putin is right when he said that backing Assad was more sensible than the extremists. He was right when he said that getting rid of Gadaffi was a bad idea. He had a point when he said “Ukraine is part of my sphere of influence, wtf do you Europonces think you’re doing there?” If the EU had had a clue they would have backed their encroachment into the Russian sphere with money and guns, instead they backed down and begged the Yanks for help.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26079957

    He’s a dictator who has people offed, but he understands realpolitik.

  6. Obama has commuted Manning’s sentence. So leaking against US national interests is fine, but leaking against the DNC is a terrible crime.

    The media is fine with this. There isn’t even a semblance of shame or self-awareness among them.

  7. Yes its a good phrase. you could disagree with it I suppose and proclaim it as a noble vocation for those with a high social and moral calling.

  8. He had a point when he said “Ukraine is part of my sphere of influence, wtf do you Europonces think you’re doing there?”

    No, I disagree with that.

    He’s a dictator

    He’s not. He’s largely a blithering idiot, which is why it is so embarrassing that he is so often the only one speaking any sense.

  9. Rob,

    “Obama has commuted Manning’s sentence. So leaking against US national interests is fine, but leaking against the DNC is a terrible crime.”

    It’s outrageous. Frankly, the whole thing of presidential pardons is a disgrace, but it feels like a gift to the worst sort of democrat supporter for their loyalty. Talk to mainstream Americans about Manning: that’s just bought Trump a 2nd term.

    Bradley Manning wasn’t just a “whistleblower”. If he’d released just the necessary documents to show bad government behaviour, he might have never gone to prison. But he did, and you have to severely punish people for that.

  10. @BiW – indeed. The whole “Barry will assure a smooth transition”. Or at least the MSM will claim that Barry has assured a smooth transition, despite all the 11th hour regulations, and things such as the Manning pardon.

    This is the point at which you see the real Barry, and what his philosophy and priorities are. When he’s got the most “flexibility”, as it were….

  11. TN

    You don’t think the Ukraine is part of the Russian sphere of influence or that the Europonces interfered? Note that I said he had a point, not that he was right.

    He is a blithering idiot but that does not mean he is not a dictator. Just look at Chavez – total moron, blithering idiot, but also a dictator. Not mutually exclusive.

  12. “The people doing this are doing enormous damage to American national interests.”

    Nah. The nation is doing fine. The people doing it are destroying their political party, finishing the job Obama started.

  13. “The people doing this are doing enormous damage to American national interests.”

    This. I pointed this out to a friend (she’s moved to the US and gone full Democrat for some reason) a couple of years back when they were arguing about Benghazi. The Democrats were somehow under the impression that it was a Democrats-vs-Republicans thing, but the entire rest of the world simply saw it as an American thing. I think the Republicans, for the most part, still understand that, but the Dems have become so obsessed with damaging their opponents that they just don’t care about the effect on America’s reputation. Sure, for a lot of them, that’s because they’re anti-American. But a lot of them are patriots and stupid.

    If you’re making Putin look like the voice of reason, you’re doing it wrong.

  14. @S2, the Dems have also convinced themselves rather conceitedly that the DNC interest is congruent with the National interest.

    So it’s in the national interest to damage republicans, it’s against the national interest when the DNC is embarrassed.

    But as you say, that level of granularity isn’t seen from the outside – it’s just “america”, no matter who’s in charge.

  15. You don’t think the Ukraine is part of the Russian sphere of influence or that the Europonces interfered?

    Not really, no. And nowhere near to the degree that justified an annexation of one part and the attempted annexation of another.

  16. @Squander Two

    your democrat chum probably would refuse to read it given the provenance – but this lifts a stone or several on the antics of the last administration’s people tinkering overseas….

    Tugging on a random thread and the garment comes undone.

  17. TN

    His actions in Ukraine are not justified, but they fall into hard realpolitik in my view. Should he have done it? Probably not, but he was just letting everyone know that Russia’s sphere of influence is their sphere. Just like his invasion of Georgia.

    Ah, your definition of dictator is slightly different from mine – I prefer the emphasis on “a ruler with total power over a country”, you are thinking of the lack of democratic legitimacy. I see people like Lee Kuan Yu as being dictators, albeit elected benevolent ones and Chavez as elected incompetent ones. And Putin as elected idiotic dictator.

  18. TH,

    Just wondering how you would compare the Crimea with it’s nealry 100% Russian population, moved into the Ukraine from Russia in the 1960s for no good reason, with Kosovo where the smaller percentage yet majority had to have the right to determine whether they could succeed from serbia, but the people of Crimea should have no such choice?

  19. Probably not, but he was just letting everyone know that Russia’s sphere of influence is their sphere.

    And it’s backfired badly. He thought he was going to walk into East Ukraine and the population would immediately agree to annexation by Russia, as they did in Crimea. Instead he found that rather too many of the Ukrainians, including Russian speaking ones, wanted no such thing and started fighting back. “Sphere of influence” normally means the area where a larger power can project their power (soft or hard), not a region just over the border where they’ve been brought up sharp by a population who don’t want their influence at all.

    Ah, your definition of dictator is slightly different from mine – I prefer the emphasis on “a ruler with total power over a country”

    Which Putin doesn’t have. It’s arguable that even Stalin didn’t have power over the whole of Russia, he certainly used to complain that whole regions didn’t do as they were told. Sakhalin Island was a law unto itself when I lived there, and edicts from Moscow went ignored until a federal authority showed up sometimes a year or so later. Putin controls the Kremlin and the state institutions, but it’s far from certain how much the Kremlin controls Russia.

  20. Just wondering how you would compare the Crimea with it’s nealry 100% Russian population, moved into the Ukraine from Russia in the 1960s for no good reason, with Kosovo where the smaller percentage yet majority had to have the right to determine whether they could succeed from serbia, but the people of Crimea should have no such choice?

    Firstly, there plenty of reason to believe that the government in Belgrade was treating the Kosovars badly (to what degree is open to question) and rather differently from those in other parts of Serbia. The government in Kiev didn’t treat the Crimeans any worse than the citizens of Odessa. In other words, Belgrade’s actions led, to some degree, to Kosovo’s secession. This is not the case for Crimea.

    Secondly, Kosovo voted for independence with the assistance of the US. This is somewhat different from the US helping Kosovo become the 51st US state, which is effectively what the Russian Federation has done with Crimea.

  21. I’d say it’s ‘higher social responsibility’ myself.

    Manning commutation – very strange. He actually damaged US interests. By contrast Snowden only shared such information which demonstrated that the NSA had broken the law.

  22. @LPT – Manning is a lefty hero. Plus the whole trans cherry on the cake.

    Barry’s throwing some cake to his base at the expense of the national interest – as I said, DNC über alles.

  23. What sentences have comparable leakers to Chelsea Manning served? She’s already been in prison for 7 years.

  24. TN

    After the EU inspired coup in the Ukraine didn’t the new government annouce that Russian would no longer be an official language, so while they may have been happy to remain as part of the Ukraine before the coup do you think that would be likely to remain the case? Or is that all incorrect information?

  25. Steve T,

    Firstly, I doubt the new government did that: there are ethnic Ukrainians who speak Russian as a first language. There are ethnic Russians who speak Ukrainian as a first language. You cannot separate the Ukrainians in such a way, and the two sides of the conflict in Ukraine were not divided by language or supposed ethnicity.

    Secondly, even if this were true and the government actually did stop using Russian as an official language, it doesn’t mean that parts of the country would want to secede to Russia.

  26. The Rosenbergs got the chair, for one…

    Elizabeth Warren is campaigning for Ethel to be pardoned, even though both of their guilt was confirmed by documents that came to light after the fall of the Soviet Union. Although perhaps Warren knows this but still thinks they are innocent?

  27. Those aren’t really comparable, they were ongoing spy rings instead of a one off document dump. Nothing Manning leaked was above Secret.

  28. TN,

    The law was partially passed on 23rd Feb 2014 to make Ukrainian the sole language, but doesn’t seem to have been signed off or implemented, as far as I can tell anyway.
    This won’t have just impacted Russian speakers, but other minorities as well. So after deposing a pro Russian President and then looking to crack down on the use of the Russian language, certainly seems like the start of something unsettling.

  29. The law was partially passed on 23rd Feb 2014 to make Ukrainian the sole language, but doesn’t seem to have been signed off or implemented, as far as I can tell anyway.

    Do you have a link for that?

  30. > Nothing Manning leaked was above Secret.

    Let’s look at the consequences. One of the merely Secret bits of info Manning leaked was that Afghan CIA assets were trimming their hair so that CIA agents could spot them. Once this was leaked, the Taliban went on a killing spree of all Afghans with suspiciously short hair. But hey, it was only classified as Secret, so no big deal.

  31. Some more consequences:

    China made ample use of the WikiLeaks cables to incite a witch-hunt against every academic and human rights activist named in the cables – and of course many who were not – for passing information to Washington. This applied especially to Tibetans and Muslim Uyghurs. Many other authoritarian governments found the cables useful.

    Two Zimbabwean generals who had met with US diplomats and criticised senior officials in Robert Mugabe’s police state were court-martialled, and an investigation was started into the “treasonous collusion” of Zimbabwe’s lead oppositionist, Morgan Tsvangirai, with an “aggressive international world, particularly the United States”. A journalist in Ethiopia, Argaw Ashine, was forced to flee his country after Manning revealed he had been discussing with the U.S. ways to avert a planned crackdown on the Ethiopian press. Syria’s beleaguered human rights activists could have done without one more excuse to dismiss them as hirelings of the Americans. Beyond states, Osama bin Laden had “asked for and received” copies of the so-called Afghan War Logs.

  32. This is a better link

    Okay, thanks. Let’s take a look:

    Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania expressed their dissatisfaction today with a decision taken by the Ukrainian Parliament on Sunday to abolish a law on languages that was adopted in 2012.

    I hardly think the Ukrainian government abolishing a law that was adopted in 2012 is going to drive regions to secede in 2014.

  33. If Russian brasses are in fact the best in the world, shouldn’t the US and post-Brexit UK be looking to negotiate some sort of trade deal?

  34. TN, I agree not on it’s own, but in the context of the over throw of a pro Russian president, it’s seems odd that one of the first thing that is done is to remove protections on minority languages, largest of which is Russian. One would have expected that they had more important tasks to do, and given the tensions appearing. It would appear to be sending a message.

  35. abacab: “the Dems have also convinced themselves rather conceitedly that the DNC interest is congruent with the National interest.”

    All parties convince themselves that the national interest is congruent with theirs. The unforgivable crime of the Democrats is that they believe that when their interests are incongruent with the nation’s, theirs win.

  36. “Although perhaps Warren knows this but still thinks they are innocent?”

    The Left thinks reality is a construct of the right, created to make the Left look bad. Factual news that makes the Left look bad is fake news.

    They are psychotic.

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