26 comments on “The People Demand To See Hillary’s Goldman Sachs Speeches

  1. There are two responses, both reasonable:

    Polite Version: You wouldn’t understand it if you had it.

    DtP Version: It’s none of your business. Fuck off.

    They can be combined, if desired.

  2. Actually, come to think of it, there is a third response:

    Laugh in the person’s face and then walk away without saying a word while shaking one’s head in disbelief.

    I still like ‘Fuck off’ best.

  3. What’s with “Mr” Trump in the headline and throughout the article? Doesn’t he get “President” like all forty-four Presidents before him?

    ‘Course not, it’s the New York Times.

  4. I’m sure he’ll release them right after Ex-President Obama releases his university transcripts proving he’s the genius his fanbois have always said.

  5. @john77 – e.g. “a writeoff that could have resulted in him not paying any federal tax for twelvety years”.

  6. abaca has a good point. Will Trump blackmail O by threatening to release what the intelligence services know about O’s past?

  7. I thought Wikileaks had already released transcripts of Clinton’s speeches. Given that what limited bit I saw was what I expected, a politician saying what the room wanted to hear for to increase ‘donations’, does it even matter?

    Of course I’d have to say the same about Trump’s tax returns. I fully expect he used every loophole he could to his advantage. The only thing that would shock me is if Trump voluntarily paid more than he had to. I don’t think that is what the NYT wants to see though.

  8. @ abacab
    Quite! And an active billionnaire has such a large tax return that there is likely to be *something* that can be quoted out of context or misrepresented.

  9. @ LY
    Trump doesn’t even pay his debts so I, too, would be shocked if he paid more tax than absolutey necessary.

  10. john77, still repeating that old slander?

    In fact, 4 companies in which Trump was a major investor obtained chapter 11 protection under American Bankruptcy law. There is no known instance of Trump personally defaulting on any debt.

    I will hazard a guess that nobody actually lost any money after those chapter 11 processes, merely had to wait to collect. Why do I make that guess? Because otherwise there would have been many tearful, poverty stricken, widow investors paraded through the Mainstream Media for years. But there weren’t any, were there?

  11. Jesus. It’s not about how much tax he paid. It’s about how wealthy he is. The suspicion is that he has lied about his wealth although given he has lied about more easily disproven things (attendance at inauguration) I’m not sure how scandalous this will be

  12. @ Fred Z and DtP
    Trump used Chapter 11 as a “get out of debt free” card and also as a “don’t need to pay federal tax” card. I am only judging him on the former, not the latter. He has never denied, so if it’s a slander, why not?

  13. @ Fred Z and DtP
    There is an article on Wilbur Ross (I think BBC) that praises him for fixing things when one of Trump’s casinos was horribly bankrupt to companies, not tearful, poverty stricken, widows. Banks and investment companies cannot parade down 5th Avenue or Pennsylvania Avenue because they lack the physical form required.

  14. john77:

    Trump. Had. No. Debt. Why don’t you accept that? Might as well accuse the major shareholders of General Motors, which also used Chapter 11, of being indebted to parts suppliers.

    “Banks and investment companies cannot parade…” They sure as shit can when the mainstream media are organizing the parade. Quote: “And here to tell you how the bankruptcy of Trump Whatchamacallit Corp deeply affected himself, his feminist wife and his many “morally disabled”, but extremely attractive (extremely!!) black 18 year old female “children”, not to mention his investors is Mr. Gordon Gecko of Manhattan. Mr. Gecko, please tell us what a rotten rat-fuck this Trump felon is. Just look at the teleprompter there to remind you of the truth about the eeeeevil Trump. – CNN” So please John77, fairy tales to stay home, not permitted by the proprietor here.

    Googling “wilbur ross bbc trump” leads to results that do not seem to support your thesis. Besides which you continually misunderstand the difference between a bankruptcy and a chapter 11.

    The first is a total collapse of a business, followed by sale of it or its dismembered parts.

    Chapter 11 is a stay of enforcement to allow a restructuring. If the restructuring fails then bankruptcy follows. So far as I know none of the companies in which Trump held shares which got chapter 11 protection subsequently became bankrupt.

    “companies in which Trump held shares”. Geddit?

  15. @AndrewM: The ‘Metro’ free paper this morning kept referring to ‘Donald’ just like they always used to say ‘Barack was in China today to…’.

    Oh, wait. They didn’t.

  16. @ Fred Z
    i) Trump calls it bankruptcy so why shouldn’t I?
    ii) He did have personal debt
    Factcheck
    “”Hundreds of companies” have filed for bankruptcy, Trump said earlier in the debate. “I used the law four times and made a tremendous thing. I’m in business. I did a very good job.”!
    “The first bankruptcy associated with Trump was perhaps the most significant in terms of his personal finances … By 1991, the casino was nearly $3 billion in debt, while Trump had racked up nearly $900 million in personal liabilities”
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/

  17. Can’t help noticing, john, in that link they put what Trump said within quotation marks, but the references to *bankruptcy* are outside the quotation marks. That’s telling me Trump didn’t use the word bankruptcy & didn’t call it bankruptcy. Sounds like the “law” he’s referring to is Chapter 11

  18. john77: A very poor attempt at a lie. The PolitiFalse post you refer to also states that “As a result, Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post.”

    That is to say, Trump paid his debts, he did the right thing and liquidated his assets to do so and he did not go personally bankrupt.

    A clear case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

  19. “Jesus. It’s not about how much tax he paid. It’s about how wealthy he is.”

    Who cares?

    The left will hate him regardless. The right couldn’t care less. That only leaves the Cucks, and there are less of them every day.

    It’s just hilarious to see the left acting like it’s still the 1990s and America isn’t facing existential threats that Trump is working to eliminate.

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