Could we please find some transgender person who is offended by the word Mother?

From now on, expectant mothers — in other words pregnant women — are to be referred to as ‘pregnant people’ in order not to offend the sensibilities of members of the transgender community.
What is even more extraordinary is that this is not some half-baked agenda dreamed up by members of a student lobby group, but official new guidance issued by no less an august institution than the British Medical Association.
In a new advisory booklet entitled A Guide To Effective Communication: Inclusive Language In The Workplace, the BMA’s 160,000-odd members are informed that ‘a large majority of people that have been pregnant or have given birth identify as women’.
The idiocy of this statement alone is enough to make my hackles rise. But it gets worse: ‘However, there are some intersex men and trans men who may get pregnant.’

At which point the nation will rise up as one and mock them mercilessly. The future being a sneer at an SJW forever.

No, seriously, could anyone who is in fact transgender and who is offended by “pregnant people” being called “pregnant women” please make themselves known? Because we’ve some introduction to the rest of us people that needs to be done here.

56 comments on “Could we please find some transgender person who is offended by the word Mother?

  1. “The BMA is precisely the sort of sober institution I would expect to rise above this highly emotional issue and exercise extreme caution and impartiality in respect of guidance.”

    Really? You’ve not been keeping up, Sarah…

  2. And do they ever worry about the very real numbers of people that might be offended by this BS?

    No. Cos they’re Literally Fascists or something,.

    Bigots, the lot of them.

  3. I’m having trouble understanding how “call someone what they prefer to be called” is such a controversial idea.

  4. “I’m having trouble understanding how “call someone what they prefer to be called” is such a controversial idea.”

    Quite

    And no doubt the majority of pregnant women would prefer to be called “expectant mothers”

    Your move.

  5. Just occurred. I should’ve posted that last comment as The Emperor Napoleon. And demanded all responses should be addressed to His Imperial Majesty.
    Makes as much sense.

  6. That’s because the obvious eludes you Matthew L.

    If someone wants to be called by a nickname or whatever that is one thing. C S Lewis was “Jack” to his friends from his boyhood on. Fine. A fiction acceptable to both sides with no great principle involved.

    However making statements that deny objective reality in favour of Marxian subjectivist evil is not fine. A man remains a man. Regardless of what he wants to be he remains what he is. This is not both sides accepting a fiction. This is demand that reality be denied. That reality is not what it is but what the scum of socialism tell you it is. And 2+2=5

    The answer is always and eternally NO. Let there be war, let the world be destroyed rather than the answer be yes.

    Marxian scum use the same subjectivism to daily posture as moral good guys despite the ocean of blood they swim in.

  7. I think you’ll find all responses should have been addressed to Your Imerial Majesty while references to Your Imperial Majesty should have been in the form of His Imperial Majesty…

  8. @Mrs Ecks

    The reality is that you are actually a lovely SJW-type who likes winding up people on Tim Worstall’s blog.

  9. @MatthewL: No one is suggesting that you can’t call someone what they prefer to be called.

    What they – the BMA – are suggesting is that doctors should be instructed to call a spade a kitchen implement and no-one should find this strange.

  10. It’s not enough that I am called a woman, all those fat breeding slags should not be.

    Tosses hair, flounces off.

  11. ‘a large majority of people that have been pregnant or have given birth identify as women’.

    I would say that “large majority” is approx 99.999%.

    This sort of thing has been coming for years, if you pay attention to the increasingly deranged and agitprop “public health advice” coming from that organisation.

    It took a while, but it looks like the Left finally hollowed out the BMA too. Amazing.

  12. Quite

    And no doubt the majority of pregnant women would prefer to be called “expectant mothers”

    Your move.

    Zugzwang

  13. Could we please find some transgender person who is offended by the word Mother?

    Perhaps if ‘mother’ immediately precedes ‘fucker’…

  14. “However, there are some intersex men and trans men who may get pregnant”

    A) can we deal with that when it happens?
    B) they’re not very good at Man, are they?

  15. “And no doubt the majority of pregnant women would prefer to be called “expectant mothers””

    If you find a pregnant woman who expresses he’d wish to be called an expectant mother and her doctor doesn’t respect that, I’ll be right out on the barricades with you.

  16. “However, there are some intersex men and trans men who may get pregnant”

    Not every woman is able to get pregnant, however everyone who can get pregnant is a woman”

  17. @Roue,

    Quite.

    The most unfair thing about the entire tranny thing (on which vastly more breath is wasted than the actual size of the issue) is that you do sometimes see tall women (not at all unusual in Germany). Sometimes with large hands and a perhaps somewhat masculine frame (also perhaps less unusual in Germany than other countries). And you wonder, to an extent you would not have wondered just a few years ago. Which is very unfair on the large majority [sic] of such people who are actually born female rather than just identifying as such.

  18. Out of interest, is this shit purely an English speaking country thing?
    The Spanish for pregnant woman’s “embarasada”. Feminine. No option. S’pose you could try & invent “embarasado” but, bearing in mind the pollo/polla dichotomy, not sure that’s a direction be safe to explore.

  19. The time for reasoned comment and reasonable discussion and words in matters like this has passed.

    Everyone at the BMA responsible for this needs to have the nonsense beaten out of their heads with baseball bats.

  20. Tim

    I think you are misunderstanding the issue here – it’s not the Transgender community that is the problem. It’s the industry that has grown up around the idea of taking ‘vicarious offence’ on behalf of ‘minorities’.

    I don’t hold much of an opinion on those who are transgender but my guess is most of them want to be left alone to get on with their lives and would find this gesture politics deeply stupid, and actually damaging to their quest for legitimacy.

    It’s the Politically Correct Left who are not transgendered which needs to be treated with ribald mockery and whomsoever came up with this guidance within the BMA ought really to be detained and subjected to extensive checks on their mental capacity for their own well -being as well as that of the wider community.

  21. Van_Patten: “I don’t hold much of an opinion on those who are transgender but my guess is most of them want to be left alone to get on with their lives and would find this gesture politics deeply stupid, and actually damaging to their quest for legitimacy.”

    This! See also: any modern identitypolitics cause of the last two decades.

  22. I’ve worked with two trannies. One was shy to the point of invisibility regardless of which loo he/she was currently using, (did some of the original Alien graphics, so a good bloke even if he did wear a dress) the other was all “tosses hair, flounces out.” But with six inch heels.

    And apologies to Gore Vidal, who I belive originated “It’s not enough…”

  23. Everyone at the BMA responsible for this needs to have the nonsense beaten out of their heads with baseball bats.

    I think initiating the transgender process on them would be more fitting.

  24. TMB

    “Holy Mary, person of God!”

    By the way, not so much of a problem for the Greek Orthodox. For them Mary is God-bearer, theotokos.

  25. No wonder the tide has now turned against the SJW. They don’t understand they’ve finally overreached themselves, and are even now starting to be routed.

  26. > I’m having trouble understanding how “call someone what they prefer to be called” is such a controversial idea.

    There’s a man in the White House who would like to be called President Trump. Unfortunately the left-wing sections of the media insist on calling him “Mr Trump”.

  27. I know a few midwives and they always refer to the person giving birth as the mother. This seems to be fake news.

  28. Even if you accept all the ideological bollocks, this still makes no sense. Because this is general guidance on what to call everyone so as not to inadvertently offend a few, but, if there’s one group of people who don’t need to use a generalisation in order to avoid offending you because they don’t know you’ve had gender reassignment surgery, it’s the people who are currently reading your medical notes.

  29. Matthew L,

    The whole “being called what you want to be called” thing is based on an erroneous conflation. The principle comes from names: if you want your name to be “Squirrel”, you have every right to call yourself that, to make it your signature, and to ask everyone you know to start calling you it. That position is backed up by the law in Britain (but not in the Land Of The Free, where your name is an official government record that you need official permission to change).

    But nouns are a different matter. If you want parrots to be called “squirrels”, you can just fuck off.

    Of course, language does change, and I’m fine with that. I’m all for the coining of new words and the changing of existing words. American bison are generally known as “buffalo”, and that’s fine. But words generally change for two reasons: because a new word is needed (“chorf”); or because something just sounds good (“amazeballs”). And they get adopted organically by the people who actually speak the language. The attempt to manipulate the thoughts of the populace by using state authorities to impose changes in our own language on us from above is despicable.

    And yes, I do have similar feelings about l’Academie Francaise and every official state body in charge of a language. I’m glad English doesn’t have any truck with such nonsense.

    Killer fact! English used to have no effective sex distinction in its pronouns, and the word “she” arose as a remedy to that inadequacy. It caught on because it makes the language more useful. So good luck reversing that.

  30. I suspect the usual suspects would argue invented pronouns like xe, ze usw have a similar purpose. Of course, the fact that said usual suspects have been pushing them for almost half a century with less success than amazeballs has had suggests they don’t make the language as much more useful as they think.

  31. I had a dream.

    I was in Syria, talking to a lady who had nothing, dying of the effects of a shrapnel wound and malnutrition. I’m trying to explain to her why the medical profession in the U.K. can’t help her.

    “Look”, I say, “we have urgent medical problems of our own. We have to decide what label we should attach to pregnant women, because that label may prove offensive to transgender people.”

    “Oh, I understand”,she says “Just fuck off on the horse you rode in on then”.

    First World Problems, eh?

  32. Bloke in Spain: Embarazado (no embarasado) do exist and it is used in spanish (meaning an embarrassment).I Know, I’m a pedant…

  33. “Person in pig”: that would have the advantages of using archaic slang – always a pleasure, not being sexist, and annoying you know who.

  34. Interestingly, the english word embarrass came from the spanish word embarazada, as a way of saying “she’s been put in a difficult position” rather than the plain “she’s become pregnant”. It morphed into a nod nod wink wink “she’s embarrassed”, then morphed into a generalised “state of mild personal distress from any source”.

  35. jgh – not sure you’ve got that quite right. Certainly the English word is related to the Spanish one but it’s pretty universal across romance languages and the root seems to be French being the prefix ‘en’ + ‘barre’ meaning a bar.

  36. Given that according to the mail article there are 53 charities and lobby groups in the UK alone for trans issues I am sure we can find at least 53 almost guaranteed not trans people to be offended on their behalf….

  37. “I’m having trouble understanding how “call someone what they prefer to be called” is such a controversial idea.”

    The issue arises when it become compulsory, or perceived as such, with severe social or professional penalties if you make a mistake.

    Any doctor with a transgender patient will know what they prefer to be called. Most transgender people don’t care about generic statements that make assumptions.

    Imagine you were a male nurse for a moment. If you was repeatedly and pointedly called “she” to your face, by someone insisting that only women can be nurses, and any guy who became a nurse must therefore be “a bit of a girl”, you might be annoyed. But would you be annoyed at a general statement about all nurses that used “she” as a default? Can’t see it, myself.

    And I don’t think male nurses would really want people to be sacked or disciplined for accidentally referring to nurses generically as “she”, and thus “offending” said male nurses. It would make them kinda unpopular with their colleagues, yes?

    The belief that only women can be nurses is incorrect, stupid and very old-fashioned, and anyone of that belief deliberately calling male nurses by feminine pronouns to annoy them is being an arsehole. But that shouldn’t be illegal, or a sackable offence.

    “I don’t hold much of an opinion on those who are transgender but my guess is most of them want to be left alone to get on with their lives and would find this gesture politics deeply stupid, and actually damaging to their quest for legitimacy.”

    That’s been my experience.

  38. Rob

    “It took a while, but it looks like the Left finally hollowed out the BMA too. Amazing.”

    Not really: it’s the doctors’ trade union. The BMA once applied to join the TUC. There has been a strong left-wing element in it since the 1920s.

  39. NiV: “The belief that only women can be nurses is incorrect, stupid and very old-fashioned”

    However the belief that only women can be pregnant is correct, and the noun describing a woman who is pregnant or has given birth is “mother”, not “person”, just like the noun for small carnivorous animal that likes cheezburgers is “cat” and not “mammal”. We’re told this is an issue of politeness; I find being dragooned into humouring an absurdity to be the height of fucking rudeness.

  40. “However the belief that only women can be pregnant is correct”

    It depends on your definitions. If you define “nurse” as “a woman who looks after sick people” then it’s perfectly clear that only women can be nurses. Logically unavoidable, in fact.

    The problem is that it’s not the definition that the rest of society is now using.

    “We’re told this is an issue of politeness; I find being dragooned into humouring an absurdity to be the height of fucking rudeness.”

    Ah! You’re “offended” right? And therefore everyone else should be made to stop?

    No. You can be rude if you like. And we can consider you to be an arse for doing so. But that’s where it should stop. Nobody should get fired for calling male nurses “girls”, or for calling pregnant trans-men “mothers”. And frankly, transgender people have far bigger problems to worry about than this sort of crap.

  41. The nurse thing is a straw man. There is an actual counterexample to the statement that nurses are women who look after sick people, viz. men who look after sick people. There is no counterexample to the statement that if a placental mammal is pregnant it is female, and stating that there is is not merely asking me to tolerate but to participate in a delusion.

  42. “There is an actual counterexample to the statement that nurses are women who look after sick people, viz. men who look after sick people.”

    No. If the definition of “nurse” that you’re using is “a woman who looks after sick people” then clearly a man looking after sick people is not a woman who looks after sick people, and therefore cannot be a nurse. There are no counterexamples, so long as this is your definition.

    “There is no counterexample to the statement that if a placental mammal is pregnant it is female”

    of course there is, because in this case “female” refers to gender rather than sex. Different definition, see?

    It’s based on brain structure, rather than the structure of one’s genitals. Nobody disagrees with you that only people of the female sex can get pregnant – but it’s clearly possible that those of the female gender can. Brain structure is in a completely different bit of the body.

  43. More Marxian bollocks NiV. Pregnant women who have announced that they are men are not men any more than announcing themselves the Emperor Napoleon makes them the Emperor Napoleon.. SJWs like you can crawl in submission to Marxian subjectivist evil. Those who understand the evil that you propagate will not. The great mass of humanity does not understand the concept. Let us hope that they do not have to find out the hard way–as millions already have–the true depth of evil contained in and behind the concepts you are dumb or twisted enough to proclaim.

  44. NiV – “It’s based on brain structure, rather than the structure of one’s genitals.”

    Show me an MRI of someone who has male genitalia but a female brain.

    You are assuming what you need to prove.

  45. Gender is for nouns. Thinking you’re both pregnant and a man is as symptomatic of aberrant thinking as an anorectic weighing six stone and thinking she’s fat. Either way indulging the delusion is likely to end in tears.

  46. We’ll thank you to remember, Mr Ecks, that we should be referred to as His Imperial Majesty on this thread. We won’t tell you again. Any more infringements & we’ll set our chasseurs on you.

  47. “Show me an MRI of someone who has male genitalia but a female brain.”

    Show me the MRI of an introvert, and point out for me the differences from an extrovert. Or the difference between the brain of a person who likes jazz versus a person who hates it. It’s a silly criterion – not every brain difference shows up on a scan.

    However, how about this?

    But will any of you read that, admit you might have been mistaken and change your mind? Can you?

    “You are assuming what you need to prove.”

    In what way?

    I don’t need to prove anything. The law uses that definition. The psychological and medical profession uses that definition. Most of society nowadays, particular the younger generation, uses that definition. It’s already done. Do *you* have any proof everybody else is wrong?

    “Gender is for nouns.”

    Technical jargon is always re-using common words.

    “Thinking you’re both pregnant and a man is as symptomatic of aberrant thinking as an anorectic weighing six stone and thinking she’s fat.”

    No, delusional dysmorphia is completely different from dysphoria. Transgender people are under absolutely no illusions regarding their own body shape. What they’re saying is that the mind inhabiting the body is of a different gender. The body is the shape it is, but the shape is wrong.

    It’s like a girl weighing twenty six stone thinking she’s “too fat”. She believes her body is the “wrong shape” and is suicidally unhappy about it.

    “Either way indulging the delusion is likely to end in tears.”

    *Not* “indulging” it results in a 40% attempted suicide rate.

    It was the same with gays. The traditionalists tried for years to “cure” homosexuality with drugs and aversion therapy, with no success. That’s because the idea that it’s just some sort of bad habit or weird delusion turned out to be the delusion. Homosexuality is “wired in” the same way heterosexuality is.

    People are gay because the bit of the brain that implements sexual attraction is built according to the pattern for the other sex. People are transgender because other bits of the brain implementing various other social behaviours are switched over the same way. It’s the same type of thing.

    The false theory that homosexuality could be “cured” – and indeed, that it should be – led to the judicial abuse and frequent suicide of thousands of people like Alan Turing. The first time round might be excusable out of ignorance, but we’ve got no excuse for doing it all over again. Have we learnt nothing?

    The psychological characteristic that most commonly “leads to tears” is the belief that there is only one right way to live, and other people should be made to live it. History records it as one of our most dangerous delusions. I don’t propose to indulge it.

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