Hmm, so who did it?

That Quebec mosque attack. No one really knows who the two under arrest are. Well, obviously they do and the police might well also. There are reports of white extremists, others of Arab or Moroccan backgrounds for at least one of them.

Going to be interesting to find out. And to see who has leapt to which prejudice before knowing, too.

60 comments on “Hmm, so who did it?

  1. It struck me that there was no mention of the suspects so I’ve just had 5 minutes googling various news outlets, nothing.

    I note it was the men only section of the mosque. It would never happen in the men only section of the golf club or pub.

  2. Well, the Express headline has it:
    “Six dead as gunmen ‘shout Allahu Akbar’ in Sunday prayer attack”
    So Welsh Baptists?

  3. Anyone can shout “Allahu Akbar”
    And it’s used as a prayer for help in extremely fearful circumstances. As with “Jesus Christ!” Or “Holy Mother of God” for Christians. The congregation could have shouted it at the time of the attack.
    Wait and see. As the suspects were arrested and didn’t fight to the death, my guess is they weren’t radical Muslims.

  4. R4 has a new comedy slot. You can catch it between “Tweet of the Day” and the “Nine o’Clock News”. Three hours of incensed liberal bluster to fit the “hate ‘n’ despite” narrative!

  5. It isn’t prominent on the front page of their website, just a sub-headline on the “World news” section. The shooters were arrested so there can be no doubt as to who they are.

    My first guess is an embarrassing identity for the attackers, but may be wrong.

  6. Were white marauders involved I think we can be damn sure banner headlines would be the order of the day. There would be none of the “mental illness” type attempts to minimise any case of white evildoing. “White Supremacist Nazi” would be the word ad nauseam.

    Suggests some kind of in-house caper then.

  7. What Mr Ecks said. The names would be headline news already if they were anything other than other Muslims.

    The silence tells its own story.

    @Philip Scott Thomas: nice of the witness to clearly indicate accents, but not any other descriptor.

  8. “Going to be interesting to find out. And to see who has leapt to which prejudice before knowing, too.”

    Indeed Tim.

  9. Bloke in Germany – “SMFS will be along shortly to tell us it’s black on black crime.”

    Most North American crime is. And as we are told all the time, Muslims are the main victims of Islamic terrorism. That is, most Islamic crime is Green on Green.

    All I can say for sure at the moment is that it wasn’t me.

  10. I shall mourn the dead in the traditional Muslim fashion by going out in the street, cheering, shouting “Jesus is Lord” and firing my AK in the air.

  11. BiG, since 90% of terrorist atacks in the world are muslim on muslim, (although it’s usually truck bombs at Friday prayers), then part of the colourful ways of our imported bretheren will soon be sectarian attacks where both sides are shouting allahu akbar.

    Whether this is one or not we don’t know yet but give us a call when Birmingham or Cologne start to sound like Baghdad on a Friday.

  12. Six dead? Two shooters? AK-47s?

    Well the guns mean they are friends of Vlad. The Soviets armed most of the Leftist and then Islamist terrorist groups in the world and they have continued to use the same weapons now the Soviets are gone. Neo-Nazis don’t usually use Soviet guns.

    They averaged three dead apiece? They are not neo-Nazis then for competence reasons. Neo-Nazis are not usually good at that sort of thing. David Copeland for instance took three bombs to kill three people. The exception is the super-competent Brevik, who is a sort of neo-Nazi, but he was killing children in the main.

    Even religious extremists of the Protestant sort aren’t usually that competent. I was reading of an Ulster attack where the Prod killers shot a guy, ran him over a couple of times, dropped some bricks on him and he still lived.

    So the chances are excellent that it is a Green-on-Green shooting. As most murders of Muslims are by Muslims anyway. Some Muslim gets stabbed leaving a mosque in Scotland? It wasn’t a passing Jehovah’s Witness.

  13. Bloke in Germany – “I agree it was so much more civilised when it was protestants and catholics.”

    Well yeah. Even at their worst the Protestants and Catholics did not behave towards each other as Muslims do on a routine basis. I have never heard of a Christian sectarian conflict where people attacked each other’s knees with power drills.

    Matthew L – “I’m sure we’ll find out in due time. Keep those knees ready to jerk!”

    So because you need to maintain your politically correct illusions you need to make this attack all about us? You know, the victims? In a broad sense.

  14. stuff on Twitter (if you can trust that) saying one from Morocco, one from Guinea.

    What to say on Twitter: “Morocco not on Trump’s list”.
    What not to say “that milquetoast Trudeau wants more of these murderous motherfuckers?”

  15. “I have never heard of a Christian sectarian conflict where people attacked each other’s knees with power drill”

    Yeah, those Elizabeth and were just do civilised weren’t they.

  16. Six dead from 2 shooters with AKs is pretty bad.
    Sixty dead would be impressive but sadly most people are really bad at shooting.
    With some exceptions the ‘spray and pray’ crowd can miss their targets by quite some distance.

  17. Ironman – “Yeah, those Elizabeth and were just do civilised weren’t they.”

    Determined to defend Islamic terrorism and otherwise be an ar$ehole I see. Plus ca change.

    No, burning people to death is not nice. But notice what she did not do. She beheaded the Duke of Norfolk. She did not sell his family into slavery. She did not have his daughters raped before her eyes. She did not rip out his tongue. She did not mutilate his genitals before killing him.

    She did not stream the death on the internet.

    You may be morally numb and unable to make moral distinctions but most of us can and do.

  18. SMFS,

    “Well yeah. Even at their worst the Protestants and Catholics did not behave towards each other as Muslims do on a routine basis. I have never heard of a Christian sectarian conflict where people attacked each other’s knees with power drills.”

    Oh they were pretty unspeakably bad to one another.

    The operative word there is “were”. And the big thing is this isn’t about religion. It’s about the economy. The way you get richer in the Middle East is killing your neighbour and taking his oil fields.

    Religion is just a form of identity, a way to get people to club together, so they know that they’ll all go in and share out the oil and women. That’s all. ISIS aren’t “nutters”, they’re just ruthless. They’re entirely rational in the context of the Middle East. If places were traded, their opponents would be doing the same thing, because they did the same thing generations ago and ever since have been quietly, but violently oppressing any opposition.

    And the Middle East will mostly, probably never climb out of this. They need to industrialise to do so, but industrialisation is not going to work in countries that are deserts because everything you produce has the added costs of things like importing water, food and running aircon. There’s no industry in the Mojave, except a bit of tourism.

  19. Amusingly, I once helped finance a bit of industry in the Mojave. There’s a big tank training ground there (Tom Clancy was right) and that’s where they run the Russian tanks the US Army has, so they can play proper red v blue games. And my mate set up the Russian tank repair centre for the US Army – in the Mojave, obviously.

  20. BiG – “I agree it was so much more civilised when it was protestants and catholics.”

    Yes, the troubles in NI were mostly along Catholic V Protestant lines because protestants had treated Catholics as 2nd class citizens but that was more about hogging power and wealth than their religious practices and believes. When they started they were more about civil liberties and then a united Ireland than “my prayer book and saints are better than your prayer book and saints”. In the end it just became an excuse for gangsterism by both sides’ thugs.

    They tried, but the religious bigots never succeeded in turning in to a religious war like the ones we see between various Muslim sects.

  21. No, burning people to death is not nice. But notice what she did not do. She beheaded the Duke of Norfolk. She did not sell his family into slavery. She did not have his daughters raped before her eyes. She did not rip out his tongue. She did not mutilate his genitals before killing him.

    And of course it all happened over 400 years ago, not yesterday, today and every day for the foreseeable future.

  22. Oh, it’s Syrians.

    So, pick your position

    a) they’re not true Muslims as Muslims don’t murder innocent people
    b) this is all down to Trump
    c) this is all down to Iraq
    d) this is all down to Afghanistan
    e) only a tiny percentage

    any more?

  23. As you choose to mention knees; of course the IRA, sensitive souls with their James Joyce in their pockets, only shot kneecaps off. Oh the joys of civilization.

  24. “And of course it all happened over 400 years ago, not yesterday, today and every day for the foreseeable future”

    Except of.course the Holocaust, that no so civilized industrialization of Hell on Earth. That was.. ancient history?

  25. And Tom Clancy wrote about Jack Ryan who had no political background and who had made a lot of money on Wall Street becoming president and facing threats from Islam (20 years ago).

  26. SMFS

    “Determined to defend Islamic terrorism and otherwise be an ar$ehole I see. Plus ca change.”

    OK Dumbass, you find the comment where I defend Islamic terrorism. Or perhaps you can’t and you are just a…

    Thick.Racist.Prick

  27. We already know how the media chooses to report these things. A few weeks ago, CBS Radio reported on four Chicagoans who beat up a disabled man. From the following transcript, can you guess the race of the assailants and of the victim?

    The victim is described as a mentally-challenged teenager. In the video he is choked and repeatedly called the n-word. His clothes are slashed and he is terrorized with a knife. His alleged captors repeatedly reference Donald Trump. Police are holding four people in connection with the attack.

    BiW,
    f) The attackers have “learning difficulties”. It’s mental illness, and the Canadian government needs to spend more money on wishy-washy talking therapies, of the kind that employ nice SJW types with otherwise useless humanities degrees. (Just don’t give them anti-depressants, which may be linked to shootings.)

  28. The IRA were noted for using kneecaps to deal with drug dealers at one point. And nicking the money so the dealer had bigger problems than ruined knees.

  29. Ironman – “As you choose to mention knees; of course the IRA, sensitive souls with their James Joyce in their pockets, only shot kneecaps off. Oh the joys of civilization.”

    And you continue to defend Islamic barbarism with your tu quoque justifications? Show me someone who defends the IRA and we can talk. One thing that you ignore is that the Pope went to Ireland and begged, literally begged, them to stop. Not something we see from Sunni or Twelver Shia leaders.

    Ironman – “Except of.course the Holocaust, that no so civilized industrialization of Hell on Earth. That was.. ancient history?”

    So because of Hitler Muslims can rape all the Yazidis they like? Do you listen to yourself?

  30. Ironman – “Thick.Racist.Prick”

    Still fascinated with my genitals I see.

    Any attempt to minimise Muslim terrorism is a justification. You see someone criticising a terrorist attack and you see the need to insist that it is not so horrific and everyone does it.

    How is that not defending it?

  31. SMFS,

    By the 1990s, “kneecappings” were apparently seeing the use of cordless drills rather than handguns, due to a shortage of weapons (helped by the FBI getting on top of plastic Paddys buying weapons in Florida, IIRC) and also because being caught with DIY tools was less suspicious than having a Makarov automatic turn up in your pocket.

    No idea if it was a strong trend or just a couple of occasions, but it was reported at the time.

    However, there’s a good case that, by that time, the “conflict” was even less about a united Ireland or the fight for or against Popery, and had degenerated into a turf war between rival drug dealers and extortionists.

  32. http://www.aliciapatterson.org/stories/kneecapping

    There is an oft repeated story that the UDA have used a Black and Decker drill to do the job, and the tale has been taken as fact at even the highest levels of government (the Secretary of State made reference to it in a speech in the House of Commons in 1974). However, according to police and Belfast knee surgeons, the story is apocryphal.

    I don’t think the PIRA was ever at risk of running out of guns.

  33. @ironman
    “Except of.course the Holocaust, that no so civilized industrialization of Hell on Earth. That was.. ancient history?”
    But Jesus never killed anyone – Mo did that is the difference.
    He particularly recommend killing Muslims who change their religion – which is what caused Sunni – Shiite violence.

  34. Six dead? Two shooters? AK-47s?

    Probably left them on full auto and proceeded to massacre ceiling tiles…

  35. @Ironman
    The difference between Christianity in the past and Islam today is that Mo said “If anyone changes his religion kill him” – which is how violence is justified.
    Protestants can only justify violence against Catholics in self defense and Catholics only if the Pope calls for it (as happened under Elizabeth 1st)

  36. “Probably left them on full auto and proceeded to massacre ceiling tiles…”

    Entirely likely. Running in Hollywood-style, as it were…

    Interestingly I was talking with a Norgie sports shooter / policeman who had some interesting info on Brevik.

    The dead-to-wounded ratio was unusally high, cos he’d used hunting ammo (IIRC Hornady A-max or V-max or something similar, varmint ammo) but the number of hits was surprisingly low for someone who had free reign for so long over essentially trapped people. Turns out he’d put a cheap chinese optic (iirc an EO-Tech clone, which mounts far too high for his rifle) on a cheap mount on his mini-14 (which is not an accurate piece of kit at the best of times). So his sighting system was crap and even if it was well-zeroed at the start, it quickly wasn’t after a few shots.

    Whereas you might say “how could it have been any worse?”, since it was an appaling event, If brevik had been half competent, it could have been *so* much worse, according to my interlocutor.

  37. “Any attempt to minimise Muslim terrorism is a justification. You see someone criticising a terrorist attack and you see the need to insist that it is not so horrific and everyone does it.”

    Same challenge Dumbass: a single comment where I attempt to “minimise Muslim terrorism” ( God, you really are so thick aren’t you). Or a single comment where I insist it is “not so horrific” and “everyone does it”.

    A hint: a comment is when somebody posts something in their own words. You know, like when they actually say it.

    You Thick.Racist.Prick

  38. Ironman – “Yeah, those Elizabeth and were just do civilised weren’t they.”

    See Flopsy? When someone comments on Muslim violence, you respond with a tu quoque designed to minimise said Muslim violence. You did in fact insist that we are just as much to blame,

    Because, as you have convincing shown since the days you insisted that it was racism to complain about the Rotherham rapes, you are a c*nt.

  39. Same challenge numbnuts: one quote where I “minimise Islamic terror”. One quote where I don’t acknowledge it in all barbarity, all its full horror, any quote where any justification is offered. Just one Dumbass.

    And no, pointing out that Elizabethan executions were barbaric in the extreme is not a justification of or minimisation of Islamic terrorism. Well, maybe it is if you’re a…

    Thick.Racist.Prick

  40. The media referring to a weapon as an AK-47 proves nothing. It might be any sort of long gun at all. The media hate guns, fear them and knows nothing at all about them.

  41. Even though we know little about the Canadian mosque shooting at this stage, some twerp at The Telegraph called Daniel Capurro has already written an article called ‘The Quebec mosque shooting is proof that Canada is just as divided as the rest of the West’.

  42. The Mail says the suspects are Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir.

    Thank God they’re not Mohamed Khadir and Alexandre Bissonnette, eh?

  43. Strangely the Quebec mosque shootings have now been downgraded off the headline spot by the BBC, replaced by the Trump petition. What are the odds that would be true if the shooters looked like being white supremacists?

  44. Well, the latest is that it’s one shooter, Alexandre Bissonnette, and the other guy they arrested was a witness, who has now been released. Therefore at present it looks like a bit of the long-prophesied backlash. The odd thing is that it doesn’t happen more often.

  45. BiCR,

    Or Alexandre Bissonnette is a recent convert in to one or other Islamic sects and had a grudge against the sect that uses the mosque. Not that I believe that, just saying …

    The lack of official statements isn’t really helping, its fuelling all the various conspiracy theories. When they do eventually pronounce we won’t be able to get the truth as it will be lost in the conspiracy noise.

  46. @BiWiltshire “There’s no industry in the Mojave, except a bit of tourism.”

    Where do you think all those wonderful experimental aircraft are built? Scaled Composites is in the appositive town of Mojave. Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works are in Palmdale. Even BAE has a facility there. Not to mention borax from Boron!

    Perhaps my nom-de-plume has something to do with it.

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