Democracy according to Polly

He was magnificent. Ken Clarke spoke for saving Britain, and he spoke for the three-quarters of MPs who never supported this madness. But on his own benches he is the lone refuser, the only one who will vote today against what most of Clarke’s colleagues and almost all on the Labour benches know to be an approaching Brexit calamity.

Like a prophet crying in the wilderness – dismissed as “purple and quavery”, and his words as a “pitiful harrumph” in the Daily Mail – his speech will resonate down the Brexit years.

How did it come to this act of collective cowardice? Because rebelling against your own leadership is easy, and usually delights the voters with a show of sterling independence. But to rebel against the voters – that takes formidable courage.

Don’t do what the voters want, only what you think is right.

Do we all get to play this game then?

The voters want the NHS – fuck ’em, they’re wrong.

The voters want more government – fuck ’em, they’re wrong.

The voters want less inequality – fuck ’em, they’re wrong.

Or is there a special the voters disagree with Polly so fuck ’em clause in there somewhere?

43 comments on “Democracy according to Polly

  1. I am actually impressed by the article Tim – rarely have I seen anyone so convinced by her own superiority that she should have the right to dictate what is ‘true and just’. The irony is she would almost certainly have escaped with only her clothes or been killed off in the Russian Revolution. She is literally the embodiment of the Peter Simple Deirdre Dutt-Pauker. The entire screed basically says democracy is only good if people think the way she does!

  2. Van Patten

    Wrong!

    Nowhere in here does she say seno cray is good at any time! The voters are here to do what she tells them – tells us!!

    Well, as a humble voter: Fuck You Bitch. I’ll vote how I want to vote and the power in this democracy is mine; not yours.

  3. …he spoke for the three-quarters of MPs who never supported this madness

    That’s a fib – 90% of MPs supported the referendum. Of course for Polly – a veritable high priestess of the modern enlightenment – it’s not the process but the result that’s the madness.

  4. Ken Clarke is a man I would not trust if he merely uttered two farts. A Bilderberger man bought and paid for.

  5. “I look forward to the day when the Westminster Parliament is just a Council Chamber in Europe.” Ken Clarke International Currency Review, Vol. 23, No. 4, Autumn 1996 (allegedly – haven’t checked).

  6. The People’s Plebiscite must be honoured, whatever quasi-fascists like The Great Dugong might want.

  7. Ironman

    I think her idea of democracy might be along that practised in the German Democratic Republic or Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea….

  8. I don’t think she has ever got over the fact that other people have the same political power to vote as her. And that they will have the cheek to vote different from her.

  9. The most amusing thing of all is that brexit has really laid bare the gap between the liberal city elites who support Labour and the white working class, who are beginning to understand that Labour is not their party. Polly thinks all those stupid racist working class people should just be ignored until they realise their mistake.

    I’m hoping to see UKIP destroy Labour in the North. Not sure it will happen, but I’d be very amused.

  10. I don’t like the tone of her article at all. I sense she was starting to get wet during Clarke’s speech.

    And the thought of Polly getting wet is, well, rather heave-inducing.

  11. @Van_Patten
    “The irony is she would almost certainly have escaped with only her clothes . . . in the Russian Revolution.”
    I can think of afar more terrifying prospect.

  12. That fat red-wine swilling SOS Clarke would be the ideal consort for Pol, the lard-arsed evil Marxian cow.

    The question is why has that FUB Clarke not been de-selected and destroyed long ago? More evidence that Dress Up is still BluLabour under the façade.

  13. I don’t know why he has been tolerated for so long. He should have been taken out behind the barn years ago.

  14. I don’t know why he has been tolerated for so long. He should have been taken out behind the barn years ago.

    I think Clarke got a bit of a free ride for being the best Chancellor we’ve had since Nigel Lawson (just think how bad it would have been if the one-eyed Scotch fuckwit had started with an economy in tatters!) But he’s long since used up that good will IMHO.

  15. The point of our system is that MPs can ignore the voters to do what they think is best. That’s why they are representatives not delegates. But they have to answer to the electorate for their choices.

    Let’s face it Polly, which do you prefer; Hardish Tory Brexit now or double super hard UKIP Brevity in 2021?

  16. Diogenes – apparently Rushcliffe voted to remain, which gives Clarke something of a pass, at least.

    But he didn’t look very well to me – he’s going at the next election, and he may well go before then, if his pallor and wobbling gut are any guide.

    I happen to know the favourite to take over the seat (it’s very safe Tory) and he is extremely sound on Europe and most other things.

  17. Andy, MPs should be able to justify their opinions to the people who elected them. Then the electors can decide whether they want to vote for someone who does not share their views. I would imagine that few voters agree with absolutely everything their candidate says or does. It comes down to having a reasonable fit. So if Ken’s constituents voted for Brexit, he needs a compelling reason to ignore their preference, which he has so far failed to supply, and he says he is leaving parliament. I wonder if he thinks the game is up for him and that he no longer has the confidence of his local supporters

  18. The Labour chap in Stoke has a novel way of attracting support, doesn’t he? Surely politicos should have learned by now that calling voters thick, racist pricks is not a vote winner

  19. “Clarke got a bit of a free ride for being the best Chancellor we’ve had since Nigel Lawson ”

    Um, didn’t he just ride the coat tails of a massive devaluation in the pound after we exited the ERM? And the economy having been ground into the dirt by overly high interest rates to suit the Germans (some things never change) meant that it was ripe for a rebound, as all the bad debts had been already painfully purged from the system?

    I mean I remember what it was like c. 1992/3 round my way, you could buy a house for little more than 3 or 4 times a single persons income. And once the interest rate straitjacket was removed the whole thing just started to move nicely. All the Chancellor had to do was keep out of the way and let nature takes its course.

  20. Devon Chap:”The point of our system is that MPs can ignore the voters to do what they think is best”

    Not when the cunts have voted to hold a referendum and agreed to abide by its results they won’t.

  21. Diogenes,

    In some of the staunchly Labour areas, the voters most probably are “thick, racist pricks”, but that doesn’t ever seem to stop them voting Labour come hell or high water. Now what is it about them? Thick skins?

  22. @Bloke in Wales, February 1, 2017 at 5:56 pm
    “I think Clarke got a bit of a free ride for being the best Chancellor we’ve had since Nigel Lawson”

    I disagree. Clarke was a very poor Chancellor. He started the stealth tax policy, fuel-duty & other escalators; PFI and more. He is a socialist like Brown who embraced Clarke’s ideas and continued increasing taxes & fines/penalties (eg SORN).

    Osborne continued the Clarke policies/strategy.

  23. Andy Cooke,

    “So – MPs should be delegates, not representatives?”

    I know Ecksy said but I’ll say it, not once they’ve abdicated responsibility to a referendum. They basically said we can’t decide so we’re asking you to do it for us.

  24. Calm down Ken, you should see what she wrote about Gord in the early days.

    If you think it ends up in less than a SNAFU, you’re sadly mistaken.

  25. Representative is different to delegate?

    Good luck explaining that to voters.

    “A delegate merely carries out your wishes. A representative will represent your views unless he considers you as a group to be ignorant, thick racist scumbags, in which case he will do what he wants, not what you elected him for.”

  26. All the Chancellor had to do was keep out of the way and let nature takes its course.

    That makes him a pretty good chancellor in my book.

    I disagree. Clarke was a very poor Chancellor.

    Can you name a better one, in the time frame I specified?

  27. Mr Ecks and Bloke in North Dorset,

    Tim wasn’t limiting it to the referendum, but widening the scope to ANYTHING the general public may or may not want at any point in time (NHS, size of state, inequality). Following that principle DOES make an MP nothing more than the delegate who sums up whatever his constituents feel about everything at that moment and brings nothing else to the party.

    At which point, with modern technology, you have to question the purpose of Parliament at all.

    The principle that the voters regularly get to pass judgement on the MP’s judgement over time and endorse or reject him/her is the key one.

    And, personally, even if I were very much in favour of the EU (I’m sceptical at the very least), my personal judgement would be that I’m in favour of freedom, especially that elucidated by the Patrician of Ankh Morpork:

    “No practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed, it is the freedom upon which all the others are based.”

    Even if, as an MP, you were to consider that Brexit was foolish, damaging, whatever, you have to take into account that the people have chosen it – and to deny them the freedom to take the consequences is to treat them as pets rather than people.

    It may be damaging, it may be beneficial, it may be foolish, it may be wise, but it is what has been chosen and if choice is to be meaningful, then the consequences of that choice must come to pass.

    THAT would be my reasoning as an MP and my judgement. It may seem a very picky difference, but Brexit has a material difference to the other things Tim has described in his post: it is something that has been explicitly chosen, with the right to make that choice given to the people. And no, the people cannot bind Parliament (they can fire the MP who goes against them, but that’s a different matter and tied in with the sum of whatever that MP has chosen to do over his/her time in Parliament), but Parliament chose to ask the people exactly what they wanted on this exact measure. To ignore that answer when your judgement as an MP is made would be wrong.

    That doesn’t change my overall view that an MP is a representative, not a delegate.

  28. And so Brexit Begins (as the Mail put it)

    498 to 114.

    Democratic enough for Polly? Doesn’t look like Fatty Pang had all that many friends after all.

  29. Surprisingly, CiF have allowed my comment where I point out that Polly praises Ken for being a Burkean MP and making a decision that he feels is the best in his own judgement, and at the same time critisises the Nays for being Burkean MPs and making a decision that they feel is the best in their own judgement.

  30. @BiW

    “…name a better one…”

    Other than Major & Lamont, there weren’t any to choose from.

    Redwood would be my choice one we didn’t have. Lamont as did have.

  31. You’ve forgotten Hammond, Osborne, Darling and the one-eyed Scotch fuckwit.

    I hope I’m not coming across as a Clarke fanboy (because I’m absolutely not, just giving him his due), but apart from Hammond, where it’s too early to tell, there’s not much to recommend the rest of that list.

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