Sounds about right

Any future nationalist government of Scotland would face Greek-style austerity cuts of about £19 billion in the event of a “Scexit”, a leading economic forecaster has warned as speculation grows that the country will face a second independence referendum.

A new analysis by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) predicts that the gap between what Scotland raises in taxes and spends on public services will rise to an “unsustainable” 9.4% of GDP in 2017-18.

And of course if the demented porridge wogs think that’s worth it then we should not stand in the way of their leaving.

For, of course, we’re the people pickling up that bill at present….

30 comments on “Sounds about right

  1. I am in two minds about it all (I am a Scot) but suspect the only solution is to give us what we want, good and hard.

  2. And as with the EU, as a net giver, we should make sure we get some of the assets we’ve paid for as part of the as Scexit settlement.

  3. Given the venom about the piddling Tory “austerity” cuts up there it seems highly unlikely that the SNP really want to try Greek-style austerity on their own supporters.

    Socialists only teach the hard lessons of economics by default ie when they can’t stop the collapse their antics always bring about. I doubt they will want to try their luck when their victims have no excuse for not being forewarned what will happen.

  4. All the wise men forecast complete economic and social collapse within 24 hours of voting Leave.

    Why should Scots believe them now?

  5. It’s a pity the SNP aren’t putting anyone up n the Copeland by-election? It’s closish to Scotland and they could be testing the boundaries of their message of 20% overspending and lots of free stuff. Could have been surprisingly popular on the stump.

  6. “All the wise men forecast complete economic and social collapse within 24 hours of voting Leave. Why should Scots believe them now?”

    Because the Scots aren’t idiots, in the main. Yes there’s a good third who would vote for a haggis in a kilt, but the rest are not morons, and they can see (as everyone else can see) that sans oil money Scotland is stony broke. So regardless of how much they might want their ‘Freedom!’ they aren’t going to impoverish themselves to do it.

  7. If the Nats want independence, then let the English have a vote. I’ll happily vote for the moaning buggers to piss off north of the Tweed and look after themselves. Anything to never have to see and hear that whiny Krankie women ever again.

  8. If they had their own currency they could fund it. Unfortunately they insist on wanting to join the Euro so the cuts would have to me made. Or of course they could persuade other mugs in Europe to stump up the cash, but I can’t see the French, Italians or Germans wanting to shell out £9bn a year.

  9. For, of course, we’re the people pickling up that bill at present….

    Certainly that is something that should not be preserved.

  10. Needless to say, most of the “free” shit the SNP is doling out is, well, shit. Prescriptions are “free”, which in practice means they’re severely rationing prescriptions.

  11. The blah de blah de blah machine churns on: it never rests.
    You’d think someone so excruciatingly patronising as to call the Scots porridge wogs would be clever enough to spell “picking.”. Just another pickle for the meister.

  12. Steve, I’m in England and my doctor knows I have free prescriptions – why would they be rationed?
    I get paracetamol on prescription even.

  13. Martin – cos they can’t afford “free” prescriptions. The unofficial policy seems to be “nah, you’re not getting the pills”. And God help you if you want the good drugs. If it’s not a cheap generic, you’re probably out of luck.

  14. As paracetamol in my local Coop is about 29p a pack, this probably costs more to dispense at a chemist than that. Where is the underlying logic? The prescription might be free to Martin, but someone picks up the bill.

    As for rationing, I agree, why is something rationed just because it is doled out free to the consumer? It might be rationed if the Scots were coping with a shortage of money, but they aren’t: they just suck harder on the ‘English’ teat. (Noting that England is full of – probably – tax-paying Scots, Irish, Welsh, Jamaicans and other West Indians, Indians and Pakistanis, Africans from just about anywhere, Poles, French, Chinese etc etc etc. as the natives are outnumbered).

  15. If they had their own currency they could fund it.

    But who would accept it?

    I guess maybe they could print it on toilet paper for when the good stuff runs out.

    The ScotsNats plan seems to be to entirely based on getting the EU to bail them out. If that fails, they’re screwed.

  16. So England can afford the free prescriptions for a large chunk of the populace but Scotland cannot afford its free prescriptions?

  17. Witchie – you want to try buying sufficient painkillers for two adults at the chemists? They do refuse to serve you if they think you are buying too many in a period of time.
    The physical cost of going to a dozen different places to get the painkillers versus getting some of them in the same building as I’m picking up the prescription from?
    The limitations on buying painkillers that shops are required to have is the reason why the GPs have to prescribe basic painkillers in larger quantities.

  18. Martin – apparently not, based on what I’ve heard. Or at least, they can’t afford to continue funding the prescriptions and the tuition fees and the childcare and all the other goodies at the same time.

    I reckon there’ll be some painful haircuts up north in the next few years.

  19. Which of course the SNP will blame on the Tories.
    Never mind that the Tories have not been in charge in Scotland in a couple of decades….

  20. @The Inimitable Steve, February 19, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    Or at least, they can’t afford to continue funding the … tuition fees…

    The SNP have funded the free [University] tuition fees for all (except English) EU students by a most un-socialist way.

    They cut* funding to Schools and FE colleges (plumbers, builders, welders etc).

    The clever “elite” benefit, the manual workers suffer – more BA Media Studies graduates, fewer electricians.

    Fortunately for the SNP, most of their voters/supporters are thick.

    See:
    1. BBC.Question.Time.170216.-.Confused

    2. BBC.Question.Time.170216.-.Trump.Is.Hitler.(Godwins.Law)

    For balance. As are some English
    Holly – EU Created NHS

    *Cut – includes reducing annual rpi linked increases

  21. @Pcar
    “They cut* funding to Schools and FE colleges (plumbers, builders, welders etc).”

    Based on the utter uselessness of the courses we send our aprentices on (we’ve tried 3 local FE institutions, they are all equally bad), that is probably no great loss.

    The collage bit of a engineering based apprenticeship (welding, fabrication, machining etc) isn’t worth the paper it’s written on now – the tutors actually expect them to write up and pass off other people’s work to pass the courses. (At some point this could be a major scandal – could do with some decent investigative journalism to show just how widespread this problem is – it’s basically fraud encouraged by the tutors).

    We only send our lads on the courses so we can pay apprentice rates (thus cheap labour), and because we get a of grant funding to do it.

  22. “The collage bit of a engineering based apprenticeship (welding, fabrication, machining etc) isn’t worth the paper it’s written on now”

    Sounds more like an Arts course than a engineering apprenticeship……………….now students, take all your spanners and arrange them into a pleasing geometric pattern…………….

  23. Jim, they are. My son’s IT BTEC is quite unusual in that they are clearly from my POV (I have a degree in the subject) trying to minimise the waffly cr*p “write about how diversity applies to making dovetail joints”, mostly successfully.

    My missus was a Nurse. You’d be amazed how much time in Nursing is spent not studying medical things, and how little testing there is.

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