Fake News Scandal!

One of Britain’s most successful orchestras is moving to Belgium amid fears that its musicians may be among the victims of a post-Brexit crackdown on immigration.

The European Union Baroque Orchestra has been based in Oxfordshire since 1985, but will give its last UK concert in its current form at St John’s Smith Square, London, on 19 May, before moving to Antwerp.

28 comments on “Fake News Scandal!

  1. Yes, one of the odder things I have realised listening to Radio 3 on my new and tedious commute is that the EU has a number of orchestras. I’m aware of Youth and Chamber, as well as the Baroque. Why?

    How is that contributing to the Germans not invading Paris again?

    I can see some minor point in the Youth Orchestra … But not enough that tax money should be paying for it. Of course tax money pays for most orchestras, in some form or another.

  2. EUBO has been honoured with the status of Cultural Ambassador for the European Union in perpetuity

    Or until they decide you aren’t.

  3. “The European Union Baroque Orchestra … will give its last UK concert in its current form at St John’s Smith Square, London, on 19 May, before moving to Antwerp.”

    London collectively shrugs its shoulders.

  4. ” tax money pays for most orchestras, in some form or another”

    I just looked up the London Symphony Orchestra accounts.

    Total income £16m
    Of which
    Arts council grants £2.9m
    City corporation £2.0m

    London Philharmonic
    Total income £10.8m
    Of which government grants =£2.6m

    Does this count as fake news?

  5. Is that St John’s, Smith Square? I have been there. Nice building. Conservative Central Office used to be opposite, so for an EU orchestra to be playing their last swansong under the (now vacant) eyes of the people who fucked their organisation up is a nice irony.

  6. Yeah, because there’s such a shortage of orchestral players out there.

    I’m going to see Psycho in Bath in May. Film + live orchestra. Never done one before, but Hermann’s score is one of my favourite film scores. And it’s £14. I’m sure there’s a bit of subsidy from the nice people of Bath, but even so, that’s not a lot of money for live entertainment. There isn’t a massive demand for live classical concerts any longer.

  7. Oxford (as in University of) is apparently in talks with the French government to open a campus in France. So they can continue to receive EU grants.

    I can’t say I care much but it is nice to see off shoring working.

  8. ‘victims of a post-Brexit crackdown on immigration’

    VICTIMS ?!?!?

    If they are living in England illegally, they are not victims. They are perpetrators.

  9. BiW,

    > And it’s £14

    That’s a very good deal. In London, the outdoor cinemas charge upwards of £16 to watch old films outside in the rain.

    > I’m sure there’s a bit of subsidy from the nice people of Bath

    Hard to tell, but it appears the Bath Festival is largely funded by private sponsors. That’s a lot easier to do in a place like Bath than in e.g. Swindon.

  10. Martin

    the growth of campuses is quite astonishing. Eg I believe the University of Manchester has a campus in the City of London – a part of the country that is not exactly under-endowed with universities and colleges, even if you allow City University to self-describe itself in such a way.

  11. It’s all a bit of spin. The EUBO is designed to give young Early music specialists a taste of orchestral life and the composition changes each year or so. most are from Poland, i seem to recall. Many of the bands in this field are pretty fully populated and often the only way to get work is to form one’s own. No idea why they are based in Oxford, I’d have thought York would have been better, but it makes no odds as none of them are british anyways.

  12. Part of the purpose of this sort of outfit is to try and co-opt European culture so that it becomes part of the EU project. That the initiative has been successful is shown by the amount of time people like Dan Hannan have to spend saying that they are anti-EU, not anti-European.

  13. This is a variant of the Baby Seal Gambit, seen elsewhere for example when councils threaten to close the kiddies library if they don’t get a 20% council tax increase.

    Do you want these vulnerable young people to have to live in Belgium? Well, DO YOU???

  14. Andrew M,

    “That’s a very good deal. In London, the outdoor cinemas charge upwards of £16 to watch old films outside in the rain.”

    But that’s hipster stuff. You could double the price and they’d still pay it.

    Fuck knows why people want to watch movies at the same quality as dirt-poor rural Indians.

  15. So it’s not a Britih orchestra, given that its current line-up has no UK personnel. Its success or otherwise is not defined in any way. It has 5 concerts scheduled for the UK in 2017.

    We might be able to survive its departure from these shores.

    “As former EC President José Manuel Barroso said “EUBO is a perfect symbol of the power of
    integration, a subtle and potent instrument of harmonisation between people and nations.””

    For 28 years, between 1985 and 2013, EUBO was funded annually through various European Commission Culture programmes, most recently and aptly with Operating Grants as a Cultural Ambassador for the EU.
    Since 2014 a change in the EU’s cultural funding policy meant that funding from the EU was only available for projects under the EU’s new Creative Europe programme.
    EUBO’s application for Creative Europe funding in 2014 was unsuccessful. EUBO decided to re-apply in September 2015 and managed to maintain a reduced programme of activities during 2014, the unfunded period.
    EUBO’s second and revised application entitled EUBO Mobile Baroque Academy [EMBA] was successful. The project was found to meet the aims and criteria of the Creative Europe programme. The training orchestra EUBO remains at the core of the activities. The project is organised in partnership with nine other organisations across nine EU Member States for the period 2015 to 2018.

  16. And how can it be a UK orchestra if its courses seem to take place in Echternach, Luxembourg and Bucharest?

    The story is highly misleading, isn’t it!

  17. One of Britain’s most successful orchestras

    This is a definition of “successful” with which I am unfamiliar.

    I reckon if you asked 1,000 people to write down all the successful orchestras in Britain they know that it would be named exactly zero times.

  18. Chester,

    you overestimate the Great British Public.

    If you asked 1,000 people to write down all the successful orchestras in Britain, at least a third would struggle to use a pencil, 3 people would say ELO, one would say OMD and one would say the LPO. The rest would say Dunno.

    If you asked 1,000 people how many had seen a live orchestra in the last ten years the answer would be a handful, only half would have enjoyed the experience.

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