Milo’s in a bit of trouble then

Reading around it appears that a bit got lost in translation. He using British (and possibly slightly gay) English and referring to boys with older men, meaning twinks of 16 to 18 with 30 and 40 year old boyfriends. Americans leaping in and insisting he means 13 year olds with adults.

Hmm. The problem with the case for the defence here is that Americans are odd about age gaps anyway. Not entirely but in general they think people should only date within their own age group, a couple of years different perhaps. A decade gap is looked upon as really rather odd, especially late 20s reaching down into late teens.

Don’t insist that’s it of course, just that’s my reading of it so far.

49 comments on “Milo’s in a bit of trouble then

  1. Pretty sure he isn’t. Watched the recorded livestream on youtube, he’s using his own experience of 13\14 with an adult to argue that some kids can consent, and even benefit from such a relationship (eg if gay and family are not supportive. )

    Maybe, for some small fraction. But I really doubt you can accurately judge, in person or in court, who is in what category. Just look at the issues on consent between inebriated adults for that.

  2. I think you’re probably right Tim. I haven’t heard the podcast but I did see him quoted to the effect that being attracted to 13 year olds doesn’t make you a paedo. This is correct of course, and the age of consent is 14 in quite a few European countries, but nonetheless I really think that this might do for him.

    I can’t see the Yanks liking this at all.

    And the Enemy is quite happy to shout ‘Facist!’ based on zero evidence so I’m sure they’ll be more than happy now to shout ‘Facist nonce!’ going forward.

  3. The actual “ethics” are largely irrelevant.

    As Ian B used to point out–the hate figure of the paedo has replace the hate figure of the homo. They can’t get at Milo for being a gayboy but if they can switch the “narrative” to paedo then they can have at him with much more success. Hit him with the emotional energy marxifem scum have built up with the Savile panic. Time has passed and it has lost some of the emotional head of steam but it will be at least 10 to 20 years before it is finally played out history.

    We cannot afford to underestimate the cunning and sheer evil of socialism.

  4. He was edited with hostile intent. But there is no denying what he was saying – some pre-teen Gays get it on with adults, as he did, and he sees nothing wrong with that.

    It is not an uncommon view from the Gay community – the distinction between homosexuality and paedophilia being entirely for consumption by heterosexuals. No homosexual has ever been outcast by the Gay community for sleeping with early-teen boys unless, of course, they are politically unacceptable. No one minds Andre Gide trying to adopt a 14 year old boy he wanted to sleep with. No one minds Pier Paul Pasolini being fired as a High School teacher for molesting his students. Samuel Delany hasn’t been read out of the SF community for similar views.

  5. SMFS–Yes but they were leftist homos.

    That kind of pass won’t apply to Milo. You can be certain of that.

  6. “the distinction between homosexuality and paedophilia”

    Paedophilia is being sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children.

    It’s not the same as under-age sex with someone who is post-puberty but under the age of consent.

    I might find a ‘mature’ 15 year old girl sexually attractive, I’d never feel the same about a girl who hadn’t reached puberty.

  7. Andrew C – “Paedophilia is being sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. It’s not the same as under-age sex with someone who is post-puberty but under the age of consent.”

    If it was my 13 year old son I might take the time to consider that puberty is a process not an event and so it is hard to draw a hard and fast line. Or I might consider having a short conversation with said paedophile involving a large brick.

    Your mileage may vary.

  8. Let’s talk Chesterton’s Fence. Why is there an age of consent for gays in the first place? (It’s not as if they can get pregnant.) Is it to prevent 13 year old boys from being turned gay by their scoutmaster? Can a person even be “turned” gay? That doesn’t correspond with any coming-out story I’ve ever heard.

  9. “The problem with the case for the defence here is that Americans are odd about age gaps anyway.”

    Not sure about that. Doesn’t apply to Hollywood. But is starting to apply more in the UK.

  10. >SMFS–Yes but they were leftist homos.
    >That kind of pass won’t apply to Milo. You can be certain of that.

    That’s what SMFS was saying.

  11. Nah, I think he’s fucked up. He said immediately afterwards:

    “And you know what, I’m grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.”

    As I said at my place (shameless plug alert):

    The whole discussion is on the edge to begin with, which is fine. But by stepping over that line with that sentence, Milo alienates the tens of thousands of men and women who believe in free speech and hate feminism in its modern form but really, really don’t want their 13 and 14 year old sons – gay or straight – to fall into the clutches of an older male authority figure who “helps them discover who they are” and “provides them with love” which takes the form of oral sex.

    I also think that Milo’s problem was that for all the infamy and notoriety, there was no endgame. What was all the publicity for? More publicity? He was headlining the news, it was time to dial it down a notch and be serious for a bit.

  12. Disappointed to see the Right take a leaf out of the SJW book and gang up on him for making a mistake. We’re better than that.

    We should only use SJW tactics against SJWs.

  13. Tim, the whole thing is absolute shite.

    Nobody slinging around this garbage really thinks Milo is a paedo or paedo-apologist. Their point-n-shriek, pass-the-smelling-salts act is a coordinated smear campaign to destroy the reputation and livelihood of an innocent man.

    We’ve seen this sort of thing before. It’s Alinskyism in action.

    And for why? It’s not about sex. It’s not even entirely about Milo, though he is hated and feared by the legacy media. As with many things these days, it’s about Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    The press and professional conservatives are horribly frustrated at having failed to land a glove on President Trump or (General Flynn excepted, and that was a CIA move) his inner circle.

    Milo’s not part of Trump’s team, but is an outspoken and increasingly famous Trump supporter. And he used to work for Trump’s chief strategist.

    So the battle plan is: isolate and destroy Milo. Use that as a beachhead to isolate and destroy his former boss, Steve Bannon. They ultimately hope this sort of thing will soften up Trump for impeachment.

    #I’mBehindYouMilo

  14. Adult/ child sex seems to be a thing with teh gays. From the The Queer Resources Dictionary:

    “Youth Liberation has argued for some time that young people should
    have the right to have sex as well as not to have it, and with whom
    they choose. The statutory structure of the sex laws has been
    identified as oppressive and insulting to young people. A range of
    sexual activities are legally defined as molestation, regardless of
    the quality of the relationship or the amount of consent involved.”
    – Gayle Rubin, lesbian feminist, in Leaping Lesbians, Feb. 1978

    and:

    “I… have a friend facing a possible jail sentence for having sex
    with a couple of 15-year-olds. I love my friend; he is a good person.
    At the preliminary trial, it became evident to me that the “victims”
    were the seducers, who had already repeatedly had sex with each other.
    But in the eyes of the court, their age is the sole determining factor
    to be weighed…. From tea room to drag queen, I applaud every gay
    subculture…. Discrimination among ourselves is profoundly
    self-destructive. NAMBLA deserves to be heard and respected.”
    – Michael Kearns in “Men Loving Boys,” in the Los Angeles gay
    magazine Edge (August 31, 1988)

    http://www.qrd.org/qrd/orgs/NAMBLA/quotes

  15. The problem with the case for the defence here is that Americans are odd about age gaps anyway.

    There’s a 24-year gap between Donald and Melania.

  16. “Paedophilia is …”: is there a difference between homosexualite paedophilia and pederasty? Has ‘pederasty’ fallen out of use?

    That would be a pity, the pronunciation ‘pederarsty’ being so vivid. Or you could hiss it in Murkin: pederassty.

  17. Americans are even weirder about ages. Even though the age of consent is 16 in most US states there’s a common belief that it’s 18 ‘cos Hollywood.

  18. Someone’s already mentioned gen-u-wine hollywood paedos like Polanski.

    And then we can get on to Islamic countries. Saudi has no minimum age for marriage and sex within marriage is automatically legal (in fact the only kind of legal sex). Iranian girls can be married off at 13.

    The SJW’s might not want to push too hard on this one before running into that little “problem” there…

  19. The rule is half your age plus seven. Any lower is considered creepy

    Whoops I fail that by a year! In two years I’ll be ok… math wizards can you guess our ages? Anyway I think it’s better refered to as ‘living the dream’.

  20. Whoops I fail that by a year! In two years I’ll be ok…

    math wizards can you guess our ages?

    Ha ha.. The first sentence is tautologous and hence the second sentence impossible!

  21. Andrew M,

    “Let’s talk Chesterton’s Fence. Why is there an age of consent for gays in the first place? (It’s not as if they can get pregnant.) Is it to prevent 13 year old boys from being turned gay by their scoutmaster? Can a person even be “turned” gay? That doesn’t correspond with any coming-out story I’ve ever heard.”

    Well, quite. The age only existed because of ideas about boys experimenting and keeping them from that, and a general idea about “turning boys”. And we only lowered it to 16 because of equality. But as you correctly observe, this isn’t really a problem.

    I feel the same about footballers fingering 15 year old girls. Really, no harm can be done with it. And there’s plenty of 15 year old girls that will let their 16 year old boyfriends finger them. So, being fingered at 15 is fine. Why is a 16 year old digit OK, but a 25 year old digit an imprisonable offence?

  22. BiW – Why is a 16 year old digit OK, but a 25 year old digit an imprisonable offence?

    Because we want to keep adult fingers out of those pies? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  23. The Inimitable Steve,

    Well, what’s the harm? I can see good reasons for actual sex, that we don’t want impressionable girls getting knocked up, because of the permanent harm, but other than that…

  24. BiW – Assuming we should have an age of consent (and I think we should), we have to draw the line somewhere. 16 seems about right.

    And we don’t want older men chasing teens for sex and/or sex-type stuff, because it’s likely to cause psychological harm. There’s a reason why porn stars, child actors, and prostitutes tend to be broken people. Promiscuity is bad for women. Being cajoled or coerced into sex at an early age is bad for girls.

    A 14 or 15 year old girl should be able to discover boys at her own pace, without some jaded letch, twice or more her age, jamming his hand down her knickers.

  25. @Steve,

    you’re just jealous that you didn’t get jumped by some botoxed leopard-printed Cougar age 15 :p

    (full disclosure – I was 18 and I turned her down…)

  26. Milo wasn’t due to be keynote commenter here, he was due to be keynote speaker at an American conservative conference. It seems reasonable for American conservatives to have a problem with Milo’s views on this subject. Idiots should have done due diligence before inviting him.

  27. abacab – I think Julie Goodyear would have turned me gay tho.

    Now, if it was Kate Bush, who I thought about A LOT as a teenage boy…. wow, unbelievable.

  28. “synp
    February 21, 2017 at 9:16 am

    The rule is half your age plus seven. Any lower is considered creepy”

    That’s the common American standard – and it means that late 20 year old messing around with 16 year olds is out-of-bounds as far as the majority are concerned.

    We consider people to be in roughly 3 categories as far as sex goes – kids, ‘young adults’ (16-18), adults. And while screwing around with someone way too young for you is tolerated (as long as you aren’t gushing about them being your ‘soulmate’), messing around outside your category is pretty strictly verboten.

  29. @SMFS

    “Your mileage may vary.”

    Which implies what, in the context of you threatening people with a brick?

    Other than saying I might find a mature 15 year old girl attractive I didn’t give a view on anything else.

  30. @Dongguan John
    You could be 38 and she is 25?
    Or 58 and she is 35?
    (Or the reverse).
    @abacab
    “And then we can get on to Islamic countries. Saudi has no minimum age for marriage and sex within marriage is automatically legal (in fact the only kind of legal sex). Iranian girls can be married off at 13.”
    It used to be 9 – we can’t say why 9 was chosen.

  31. Milo issues a statement:

    I do not support pedophilia. Period. It is a vile and disgusting crime, perhaps the very worst. There are selectively edited videos doing the rounds, as part of a co-ordinated effort to discredit me from establishment Republicans, that suggest I am soft on the subject.
    If it somehow comes across (through my own sloppy phrasing or through deceptive editing) that I meant any of the ugly things alleged, let me set the record straight: I am completely disgusted by the abuse of children.
    Some facts to consider:
    1. I have outed THREE pedophiles in my career as a journalist. That’s three more than any of my critics and a peculiar strategy for a supposed pedophile apologist.
    (a) Luke Bozier, former business partner of Louise Mensch
    http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/…/menshn-co-founder-embroile…/
    http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/…/…/3746/luke-bozier-arrested/
    (b) Nicholas Nyberg, anti-GamerGate activist who self-described as a pedophile and white nationalist
    http://www.breitbart.com/…/leading-gamergate-critic-sarah-…/
    (c) Chris Leydon, a London photographer who has a rape trial starting March 13 thanks to my reporting.
    http://www.breitbart.com/…/tech-city-darling-chris-leydon-…/

    Read the whole thing here:

    https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/posts/851263248344905

  32. Uh oh, he’s on the defensive. I do hope he recovers from that.

    I’m glad he started it with “A note for IDIOTS” though.

  33. Eh- something like this was always bound to happen with Milo. He’s been consistently antagonistic since he was a contributor to The Register and when he founded the Kernel.

    The more you speak, the more material there is for folks to take over when you’ve gotten up their noses.

    As for what he says, I’m sure he’s correct (in the sense of how sexual experience is acquired in certain circles- gay or straight), but for someone as bright and as eloquent as Milo, it’s a pity he wasn’t a bit more careful in how he expressed it. It would have been smarter for him to talk about the impact of his experience on his life, and what that perhaps means across society for young men.

  34. Milo sailed a little carelessly around the Skull Island of Socialist evil and has had at least a close shave with a shoal.

    Consider how cultural Marxist scum have proceeded the build their evil Empire.

    Yes they have infiltrated everywhere. But that is only part of it.

    They have no worthwhile or solid arguments. What they have is emotional steam. Given that most people are not great with logic or given to excessive thought emotional steam is a very great danger.

    They started 50 years ago with waycism. Waycism,waycism and still more waycism.

    It started innocently enough. Consider all those cowboy and PI/Cop action shows from 50 years ago. Where the hero takes a stand–heroically–to help the poor black sharecropper/ghetto dweller wrongly accused of a crime committed by–mostly white–bad guys. Innocent enough–no strident leftism–just justice and a fair break/deal for the underdog. Ah but those well-off white baddies.

    Time moves on and by the 70s wealthy white villainy is a growth industry. Ma Bell is seemingly kept solvent by rich white businessmen ringing their (predominantly white urban or redneck) underclass criminal henchmen ordering beatings, kidnappings and murders.

    The hero may be white–maybe fat Frank Cannon or senile-but-agile Barnaby Jones but now they increasingly meet the Magic Negro archetype. Misunderstood but good. Not a drug addict or a violent crim but a self-taught radio technician or computer genius with a wonderful, loving but poor family–not a drug-addled, violent single mother in sight. Who comes through when the chips are down and saves the hero.

    Gradually the heros start to get more leftist also. Gun control freaks and nascent eco-warriors like MacGuyver. In the case of MacGuyver the magics should have minded their own business and let the thugs finish the pencil-necked moron but you get the idea.

    As TV moves to more “adult” themes the leftist tropes get more strident and obvious. The brutal rapin’, child-molestin’ redneck archetype is introduced. How many have crossed our screens in the last few decades?

    On it goes. And as the snowball gathers size and momentum the same methods are recycled. Now the magic female appears. Scrawny super models who kick the crap out of rugby-team type males. While also being super-scientists and computer geniuses and having saintly and noble self-sacrificing characters and being natural born leaders and on and on. All the while surrounded by cowardly, weak, villainous and dim-witted men–and the odd comedick sidekick of course.

    Young morons get to Uni after soaking up years of this shite. Middle-class Mummy and Daddy are quite possibly leftist who will have also primed junior for the left. And even if not there are always plenty of teenage beefs against the parents–regardless of M & D’s politics–that can be turned to political ends. So few of the middle class left have suffered physical hardship that emotional angst is the only likely source of the lunacy that is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    But Waycism was only the start. Once a head of demented emotional steam was built up the CM gang started to spread it out –like smearing their own shite. Once they have racism built up to a kneejerk reaction of it being the worst thing of all time in the entire Universe then they start to extend the emotional charge to anyone who doesn’t share their views on women, gays and importing destructive groups to undermine and destroy our civilisation. The CM scum couldn’t care less about any of those groups –as squarking about white rapists but ignoring imported ones shows–but can use them as a trigger to unleash the emotional madness.

    Paedos are one such issue growing out of the line of feminist attack on society. The have done the groundwork with the Savile panic. And now Milo has blundered by giving them a chance to unleash a fresh source of emotional pseudo-angst. Most sane people have now seen thro’ the Trump/Brexit hate campaigns. Milo himself has punctured the the-left-is-your-friend crap they have been peddling to homosexuals. But there is still juice left in their paedo capers. They have lots of people conned still with the Savile panic. Including people who would otherwise be on Milos side. That is how they have got his book and the CPAC speech banned.

    No one should underestimate the danger posed by the cunning and evil of the left. Nor fail to see that their 50 years of building a vast reservoir of overheated emotion-based bullshit has given them a most dangerous weapon.

  35. John Square, it was half an hour into a banter-filled livestream. More like a pub convinced than an interview. I agree that he should have been a lot more sober about that topic, but I’m not surprised that he wasn’t

  36. Jeez. The left want to destroy someone based on something they said once which they anywayd since rowed back on.

    This is evil. This is Big Brother is watching you. As Milo said many times him being able to be an arsehole guarantees your freedom is intact.

  37. Antagonism toward Yiannopoulos didn’t start with the Trump candidacy. The earliest I remember is when his Kernel didn’t pay staff and contributors back in 2012; he misrepresented its finances, broke his promises to pay wages and threatened people who talked about it. He is paid for and seems to enjoy generating heat, controversy, outrage and antagonism.

    There’s no great conspiracy against him, he’s just been hoisting his own bile-fueled petard for years.

  38. No one should underestimate the danger posed by the cunning and evil of the left. Nor fail to see that their 50 years of building a vast reservoir of overheated emotion-based bullshit has given them a most dangerous weapon.

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