That unbreakable position

Emmanuel Macron has warned British leaders that the UK can expect no concessions in Brexit negotiations if he is elected French president, vowing to take a rigid line on access to the EU’s single market and the powers of the European Court.

Macron, a frontrunner in France’s increasingly fraught presidential race, stood on the steps of Downing Street and also vowed to lure bankers and talented professionals from Britain.

Mr Macron vowed to push for an unbreakable “Franco-German position” to defend the collective interests of the EU, presumably to prevent the UK trying to split off countries as talks drag on. He would ensure that British withdrawal from the union is fully compliant with the strict terms of EU treaty law.

That Franco German position being the French get to spend the Germans pay because guilt, right?

38 comments on “That unbreakable position

  1. He would ensure that British withdrawal from the union is fully compliant with the strict terms of EU treaty law.

    I wonder what law he has in mind. I also wonder how he intended to lure bankers to Paris. With the promise of much higher taxes? More regulation? Relying on Picketty to make sure they can’t give anything to their children? I mean what precisely does he think will lure them? The chance of having their Audis burned by feral Muslim yoof?

  2. Yup. I’m sure banks will be rushing to relocate to Paris, what with those flexible and cost-effective French employment laws and whatnot.

    And the response is of course, “OK, so you lot think we should pay for access to the single market. OK, then you lot should pay for access to the world’s fifth largest economy 20 miles off your coast. Your move”.

  3. I think there is an obvious British position here. This week we have seen both the front runners genuflecting towards the increased Arab influence in the French election. Le Pen made a play for the Maronite and the women’s vote by going to the Levant and being mean to an Islamic cleric. While Macron went to Algeria and grovelled for France’s failed attempt to save Western civilisation.

    Personally if I were Le Pen would be running ads of him slagging off his homeland in Algiers. But no matter. If the Germans are supposed to pay the French because they were mean to some Poles and Polish Jews, then perhaps Theresa May can claim France owes us a lot of money because the French were “as bad” (to quote the little piece of bum fluff) as the Nazis?

  4. And the response is of course, “OK, so you lot think we should pay for access to the single market. OK, then you lot should pay for access to the world’s fifth largest economy 20 miles off your coast. Your move”.

    They want a tribute like some ancient Chinese empire.

  5. I bet the people who believe every word the man says won’t ever consider how we got into this situation in the first place. They’ll still pretend that the problem is that we voted to leave, rather than the decades of failed policy that gave the French any power over us at all.

    Britain’s never lost a war to the French that enabled them to dictate terms to us. Major, Blair and Brown managed to put us in that situation by their ‘skilled diplomacy’ though.

  6. The funny thing is that if a similar referendum was to happen in France, it would be 55-45 to get out…

    If the Danes I know are representative of their country then Denmark would vote to leave by about 95%! All I’ve heard from them are what a smart choice the UK just made.

  7. If they want to play the tough guy that is fine. We need to match them with 2 or 3 of our punches for every one they throw.

  8. He would ensure that British withdrawal from the union is fully compliant with the strict terms of EU treaty law.

    So, serve the notice, wait 2 years, walk away.

    He’ll be ensuring that the various Presidents stop demanding that we continue to pay for their bullshit then.

  9. Fundamentally, they can only force the UK to pay for stuff if it’s part of an overall package deal.

    A very hard brexit is just walking away – Art. 50 is very, very simple, since they never thought it’d be used 😀 😀 😀

    So the overall deal has to be better than just walking away.

  10. Those nasty Frogs do not seem grateful that we won the war for them single-handedly and liberated them from the hell of racial discrimination by a Fascist State. Now that we want to discriminate against perfectly innocent Poles and Lithuanians with Border Controls (Achtung!) and are prepared to give away our favourable foreign trade arrangements in exchange , Gottadammerung style , Frog politicians should recognise the political era we have returned to.
    BTW Merkel has expunged German national guilt by welcoming one million Middle Eastern refugees : what a contrast with May who puts up the barbed wire against the Poles (who once regarded us as liberators) who only wanted to do a job of work and pay their taxes here.

  11. The more I look at it, the EU is on a total loser.

    – The UK is not EU trade dependant.
    – But we do do a massive amount of two-way trade which is of great interest to both parties, especially THEM
    – London is a financial centre not because it is in the EU but because is has a massive reservoir of financial knowhow and muscle concentrated in a tiny space and London is London
    – We have third-parties lining up to do lower tariff business with us and food imports from Africa will boom and prices will not jump
    – Other countries in the EU are already ambivalent about the EU
    – Greece is not solved and Italy is on the horizon and the euro may well go belly up (help! I live in Spain!) or lose some members.
    – Merkel is not helping her own cause by going into denial over mass, unvetted immigration.
    – Only the top guys in the Commissariat want to punish us. The business people are bricking it.
    – They can’t make us do anything. We can do what we want.

    And on top of that Parliament rules, OK!

    Where’s the downside ?

  12. “food imports from Africa will boom”

    Could be the best thing to happen to African agriculture for decades. The world’s 5th largest economy no longer being behind the EU’s protectionist agri tariffs.

  13. “And they look like desperate bullies, who know their power has waned.”

    So, we’ll put up the tarif wall. OK. So French and German consumers will be paying more for British products then. (btw, the left suddenly understood tax incidence once it was Trump putting up a wall and tariffs on Mexican products to pay for it. Funny how that works…)

  14. DBC: I know you’re a stickler for accuracy and good typing so please note that what you were trying and failing to write was Götterdämmerung. You can be excused umlauts.

    BTW Merkel has expunged German national guilt by welcoming one million Middle Eastern refugees

    .
    On the contrary, she has increased the blame and opprobrium that will be heaped on her country while simultaneously punishing her countrymen and women.

  15. ” Poles …who only wanted to do a job of work and pay their taxes here.”

    In that simple statement, DBC, you demonstrate your profound ignorance of Poles. Poles pay taxes extremely reluctantly, if at all. Poles are not noted as regarding the State as a truly unalloyed beneficial wonder. This may have a tiny, tiny bit to do with Polish history

  16. abacab

    Yes, this Saturday I am going to meet up with lefties friends who, with Trump about I am sure, will have gone full-on free trade.

    Gonna love it

  17. Some Poles might have been a good idea Reedy–but not 750,000. Including criminals and substantial numbers of low IQ, surly, clannish , insular farm labourers.

    Your beloved 1950s wouldn’t have stood for it–and neither will we any more.

  18. bilbaoboy,

    “The more I look at it, the EU is on a total loser.”

    They’ve screwed up their network. And really, all they do is provide membership to the network. It’s like bars. People go there because of who else is there. You can even take the piss (a bit) on drinks if it’s the hip place.

    The EU is like a bar that charges too much for drinks, pays its waiters too much, has insane rules about how you can behave and gives out too many free drinks to fat birds (which blokes have to pay for).

  19. Now that we want to discriminate against perfectly innocent Poles and Lithuanians with Border Controls (Achtung!)

    You have said some fairly stupid things but to imply that a country controlling who enters the country is akin to Germany’s actions in WW2 is fucking bonkers beyond any sane measure.

  20. Merkel has expunged German national guilt by welcoming one million Middle Eastern refugees

    Jesus fucking Christ. People do really think like this. It’s amazing, and disastrous if there are enough of them to influence policy.

  21. I’m getting really tired of the lectures on the four pillars of the EU.

    Germany block services “to protect DE standards”
    France block purchase of FR firms

    I recall that when the A8 joined the EU the French & Germanys were the least keen for them to be allowed the freedom of movement they say is essential now. In fact, the UK was the most welcoming EU country to these nationals while FR & DE blocked them for as long as the EU would allow it.

  22. The Fortress Europe CAP’s discrimination against poor African farmers is a wonderfully entertaining issue to raise with bleedin’ heart liberal remainiacs. EU = virtue, in their book; so they can’t cope with evidence that the CAP impoverishes the third world.

  23. “Merkel has expunged German national guilt by welcoming one million Middle Eastern refugees.”

    Nope. Racial guilt is never expunged, because race hustlers regard such guilt as limitless.

  24. Theo

    Re the CAP, my leftie friends listen and then go on talking about something else and muttering under their breath ‘ he would say that he’s a whatever the crime of the day is’.

    Also they refuse to believe that the French net contribution to the EU is soooo much smaller than the UK’s, because CAP I presume.

  25. ” Now that we want to discriminate against perfectly innocent Poles and Lithuanians with Border Controls (Achtung!)”

    So those nice New Zealanders who have quite strict rules who can and can’t enter the land of the Silver Fern are Nazis now? Plus every other independent country in the world that has border and immigration controls (ie all of them)?

    Incidentally does anyone know what immigration rules the Poles et al had prior to be entering the EU? I somehow doubt it was a free for all, particularly where Russians and Germans were concerned.

  26. “Merkel has expunged German national guilt by welcoming one million Middle Eastern refugees”

    And when the Germans realised that a lot of them were scum, suddenly the EU tries to impose migrant quotas to force them on the rest of the EU countries.

    Yeah that’s the actions of real humanitarians.

  27. I recall that when the A8 joined the EU the French & Germanys were the least keen for them to be allowed the freedom of movement they say is essential now. In fact, the UK was the most welcoming EU country to these nationals while FR & DE blocked them for as long as the EU would allow it.

    That’s an excellent point.

  28. @Raffles,

    I second Tim’s endorsement, I hadn’t thought of that point before, I like it! Will be added into my conversations 🙂

  29. Jim: I somehow doubt it was a free for all, particularly where Russians and Germans were concerned.

    It was the kind of free for all which you get when your neighbours arrive in tanks, I’m afraid.

  30. We (wife and me ) emigrated to New Zealand just under two years ago. To be eligible for Residents Visas ,we had to prove that we were financially independent, in good health and had no criminal record. It helped that we were joining our son who has been here over ten years,but he has had to guarantee that he could support us if it ever became necessary..I estimate that providing all the necessary certificates etc cost at least £2000 on top of the actual cost of the move.If a small country like New Zealand can be picky ,so should the UK.

  31. [quote]Mr Ecks
    February 22, 2017 at 9:05 am
    If they want to play the tough guy that is fine. We need to match them with 2 or 3 of our punches for every one they throw.”[/quote]

    Or, the good old days as it is sometimes referred to as.

  32. “If NZ can be picky so should we.” Not if we have signed up for a free trade agreement that guarantees freedom of movement we can’t.

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