Footie bags on show

So who too has made simple errors for which a apologies are due?

David Cameron for calling the EU referendum would be a good start.

Quite, asking the people what they want is such a terrible mistake, isn’t it?

31 comments on “Footie bags on show

  1. “So who too has made simple errors for which a apologies are due?”

    Lord Ashcroft and Belize Bank vs Richard J Murphy.

  2. Barristers occasionally say that you should never ask a witness a question you do not know the answer to.

    It occurs to me that you should never ask the electorate a question you would not like the answer to as well.

    But then Cameron was always a light weight.

  3. “As if he wasn’t forced into it by an electorate who was threatening to defect to UKIP. Far too many people don’t realise this.”

    Indeed. The question wasn’t “if” we were to have a referendum but “when” it would happen and how much blood would be on the carpet when we eventually got there.

    The mistake for Remainers was not calling it 10 years ago, they could have put it to bed for another generation

  4. Tim Shipman’s book, All Out War, is an unputdownable account of the background to the referendum, the campaign itself and the aftermath. Essential reading for the political anorak.

    Anyone who followed Flatcap Army’s link and is saying to themselves in all innocence and wonderment “Golly, I never knew anthropologists had to be experts in economics”, I have anecdotal information: one of the young Bison has a BA degree in this fascinating discipline and subsequently a distinction in her MSc both from the same university and one that is rather older and whose first syllable is particularly euphonious to a Bison.

    The postage stamp has yet to be put into circulation on which she would be able to cram all her knowledge of economics without leaving blank space.

  5. Had David Cameron forced the publicly funded NERC CEO Professor Duncan Wingham and head of communications Julia Maddock to call their new ship RSS Boaty McBoatface then he would have won the referendum.

    By not forcing that issue he demonstrated his lily liveredness, it became clear his EU negotiations were a sham and he therefore lost the faith of the country and subsequently the referendum.

  6. There’s a general effort to pretend that the referendum was a sort of one-off spasm, not representative of what the people of this country truly thought and soon to be regretted.

    Part of our problem stems from the fact that the political classes have always (or at least since Maastricht) been keener on the EU than the rest of us. It’s striking how the die-hard Remainers either pretend this isn’t the case or, like Ken Clarke, pretend that it doesn’t matter because they’re cleverer than the rest of us.

    Tactically Cameron could have called the referendum at a different time, and not based it on the success or failure of his much touted renegotiations with the EU. But it shouldn’t be forgotten that Blair and Clegg both claimed for political gain that they’d offer a referendum.

  7. Arguably the main apology missing from this surreal post is from one Richard J Murphy.

    1/ Will he apologise for masquerading as an authority in the field of economics or taxation despite being patently unqualified to advise on either area?

    2/ Will he apologise for a succession of near libellous comments against the Oxford Centre for Business Taxation, the ASI’s Tim Worstall and one Andrew Gambier amongst others?

    3/ Will he apologise for misleading a Commons Select Committee over the size of what he laughably calls ‘the tax gap’ thus leading HMRC to squander resources on chasing chimeras?

    4/ Will he apologise for contributing to a culture wholly inimical to free speech whereby the vicariously offended feel that their ‘being offended’ is excuse to shut down debate on contentious topics?

    5/ Will he apologise for peddling ideologies that have been directly responsible for the deaths of more than a hundred million through either wilful malice or profound historical ignorance?

    I think anyone reading here, even DBCReed or Arnald, knows the answer to these purely hypothetical questions – for a man possessed of zero humility to demand anyone apologise really sums him up…

  8. The EU is a politician’s paradise. Given that, and the traditional British desire to maintain for the status quo, we might expect the number of Remain MP’s to be higher than it actually is.

    If Dan Hannan, who has a very safe indeed, did not have, a) a cogent argument for Leave, and b) alternative means of employment, his family should have him sectioned.

  9. The point is that Cameron and his advisors were running scared of two impossible situations:
    (a) That the Scots Nats would sweep the board and join a coalition with Labour who were the majority party because they simultaneously held all of those Scottish seats (!)
    (b) That the Tory vote would desert it in droves for UKIP, thus letting Labour in.
    The reasons for believing (b) were that UKIP did so well in the Euro elections, while belief in (a) was simply barmy. Cameron held off as long as he could because of his so-called renegotiiation, but in the end, the renegotiation was simply pathetic. If I’d negotiated I’d have called it that the UK was leaving if we didn’t get what we wanted, signed and sealed in a treaty, and Cam was apologetic, but that was what the electorate wanted.
    A masterstroke was calling the Leave position a Tory one, when the majority of MPs were Remainers, and indeed, so are a lot of constituency activists. May Labour Brexiteers thought they were shafting the Tories! The Tories were officially neutral, but LDs were actively Remainian, which again worked to Leave’s advantage.
    All in all, a happy set of circumstances!

  10. Witchie,

    “Cameron held off as long as he could because of his so-called renegotiiation, but in the end, the renegotiation was simply pathetic. If I’d negotiated I’d have called it that the UK was leaving if we didn’t get what we wanted, signed and sealed in a treaty, and Cam was apologetic, but that was what the electorate wanted.”

    The thing about Cameron is that as well as being a remainer, he lacked vision or bravery. I can’t think of anything bold he ever did in his term. He always went with the lazy choice. And in the end, that’s what finished him off.

  11. But at least he wasn’t Millitwat, nor Abbottopotamus, nor Corblimey, nor Gordo the one I’d get, nor Bliar the Evil, and the fact that he was a useless tosser meant that we got the Referendum. The surest way to Remain would have been never to have it.

  12. As Tim Newman notes , a huge part of Spud’s denunciation of Cameron was that he was bullied into the referendum by the fear the electorate would desert to Ukip.

    Imagine that, bullied by the electorate! Almost like we lived in a democracy or something.

  13. Meanwhile today Spud – who has never shown his tax return to anyone – is demanding that all politicians everywhere should relaease their returns every year. This is of course in the names of transparency and accountability.

    Of course accountability stops the moment the electorate reaches a decision he doesn’t like, for example by voting the wrong way in a referendum. Then the electorate can take its quaint notion of accountability and fuck off!

  14. “Meanwhile today Spud – who has never shown his tax return to anyone – is demanding that all politicians everywhere should relaease their returns every year. This is of course in the names of transparency and accountability.”

    Does it also include peers of the realm? If it does it must mean he’s given up on his enoblement.

  15. “Of course accountability stops the moment the electorate reaches a decision he doesn’t like, for example by voting the wrong way in a referendum.”

    So says a guy who thinks the result of the US presidential election is invalid. WTF

  16. Tim Newman nails it: Cameron was running scared of UKIP’s scooping up the votes of the anti-immigrant undesirables so chose to face them down but lost, even appealing to anti-immigrant Daily Mail proprietor to get that paper’s invective toned down.He went ; the editor of the Fishwife’s Favourite ( many more women readers than men) stayed (according to Newsnight’s account).
    Bony May has in turn scooped up the anti-immigrant vote which, as Sir Ken said, would have surprised Enoch Powell who tried to pull the same anti-immigrant stunt at the time of the Rivers of Blood speech ; Sir Os previously at Notting Hill riot time and before that.So now she has lumbered Tories with the anti-immigrants who will only be appeased if we discriminate against immigrants’ freedom of movement so ensuring we break EU rules and get bunged out of the enormous Single market.
    UKIP should have got the Enoch Powell treatment but Cameron was too much an appeaser; May a total appeaser (but she did not have much option since Bigknickers’ insane promise of popular homeownership of houses that always inflated in value has turned out to be the long term fraud it always appeared to be).

  17. @DBC Reed.

    It’s well known that immigrants are lazy, stupid and have an awful smell that attracts hyenas. No wonder we as a nation don’t want any more of them. Why don’t you move to Immigrantland if you love them so much?

  18. “If we discriminate against immigrants’ freedom of movement”

    Help! Gurgle! Gasp!

  19. I’m sure DBC Reed would feel right at home in the Sudan or Somalia with the fuzzy-wuzzies. You know, since he has no problem with the dross of the third world turning up on our doorstep. Tell us DBC Gotnowt, how many immigrants/refugees are staying in your gaff?

  20. Reedy’s tripe is reaching the point that it is hard to fisk leftist word-salad.

    In this latest effort he seems to be dissing women, suggesting that political scum should be able to remove newspaper editors at will, rambles about “Sir Ken” (Livingstone?Loach?–didn’t know either cunt had been knighted), Enoch Powell, “Sir O” (as in Pauline Reage ?), Notting Hill “riot time ” , breaking EU rules that will get us thrown out(???) and–thank God– finally Bigknickers Fatchers nigh 40 year past Council House Sale.

    Why laser beams themselves have nothing on the coherency of DBC Reed.

    Take a tip Reedy. Sit down and first formulate what you want to say. Then précis it. Then read it out loud –preferably to a sane non-leftist– to see if it actually makes sense. You might even end up with something that doesn’t disgrace you.

  21. Diogenes

    Show us where I said the US election result is invalid.

    You can’t; you’re an idiot.

  22. Ecks

    I am afraid you are wrong. If you refer to the paper ‘Money Creation in the Modern economy’ produced by the Bank of England, you will see that clearly the state no longer creates money. It’s all a scam created by Thatcher when she sold off the council houses. And of course all you lot on here voted for it.

    Of course as Tim says, a Land Value Tax which he has often said and which was advocated by Adam Smith and which of course none of you have the intelligence to argue against will also help settle the immigration issue but the conservatives were too stupid, Thatcher especially.

    I think you all need to educate yourselves, and refer to the paper ‘Money Creation in the modern economy’ which is of course a game changer, and the work of the Labour land campaign which answers any points you think you might have.

    I am clever, you are not. It’s that simple. I’m a science graduate in case you did not realise

  23. why no real uk mps? carswell doesn’t count, does he?

    i’m surprised ukip lost stoke.

    labour spent, of course.

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