16 comments on “Feminism not to blame

  1. Taken together it would seem that millennials are having less sex, but the finding is not necessary bleak. “It is very possible that for young people this is a conscious life choice,” said Ryne Sherman

    Well yeah. That is why it is bleak. No one thought that Trump was sending armed guards into people’s bedrooms to stop them having sex – although Hillary probably thought about it. The problem is that people are making choices based on incentives that may not be optimal.

    the latest study describes the analysis of data from a nationally representative group of more than 26,600 individuals from the US, around 96% of whom identified as heterosexual.

    So all the Gays and the rest of the fruit salad are still not a significant proportion of the population. Wouldn’t know it to look at the news or the TV.

    The overall trend for a decline in sex appears to be largely a cohort effect, meaning that how often adults have sex has changed between generations, with millennials, and those born since 1995, having sex about six times fewer a year for a given age than those born in the 1930s.

    So Gamecock’s suggestion is wrong. It is not down to people getting old, it is down to younger people having no interest outside internet porn.

    Overall, the study reveals that the decline in sex over the years is largely down a rise in the number of individuals who are unmarried or have no steady partner, and a decrease in sex among those who are married or have steady partners.

    Ya think? Ground breaking research there. If the decline in sex is not due to people not having a partner or people who have a partner not having sex, what could it be down too I wonder?

    With the study finding that longer working hours and watching pornography were both linked to an increase in the frequency of sex

    So my conclusion is wrong too – it is not, allegedly, down to porn. As watching porn means more sex. Well, you all know what you have to do then.

    Among them, the team suggests the rise of social media and other forms of entertainment such as Netflix could be replacing time spent with a partner

    Any population that prefers Game of Thrones to actual sex – to the point of being a substitute – deserves to die.

    It is also possible, says Sherman, that the dynamics between men and women in relationships have changed, affecting how often they have sex. “That’s one of the big things that has changed over the course of time – men and women’s gender roles both at work and at home,” he said.

    So yep, TW is right. It is the feminism. Don’t marry a feminist girl. Simple.

    Another factor, the study notes, is that there might be differences in what is considered as sex between generations.

    W. T. F.? I am not sure about the authors of this study but I think my grandparents had a slightly more narrow definition of what sex was than the youngsters I see around me today. I could be wrong. I never asked my grandmother about squirrel suits, but I am pretty sure that if she was into that sort of thing it would have involved P-i-V rather than, say, discussing Foucault over cocoa.

  2. Incidentally, conservative women in America report more and better sex. In other news, women’s happiness levels have been falling since the 1970s.

    I think we now can posit a mechanism linking these two.

    There is a solution – Kinder, Küche, Kirche. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly wants women to be miserable and we should reject such misogyny. The path to women’s happiness goes through the kitchen where she should be making me a sammich.

  3. When we told young men and women, rightly so, that a husband does not have a right to sex from his wife, feminists suppressed the rider: “but if you want to hang on to him long term, you’ll do it a whole lot more often than you want to.”

  4. Divorce is almost entirely driven by women. They file in 75 to 80 percent of cases. What is more, divorce rises as women age up to about 30 and then sharply drops. That is, women file for divorce while they still have a chance of trading up. Or think they do.

    The fact is women deny men sex all the time and Western men as such spineless, ball-less saps they put up with it. Some of them divorce their wives in order to trade in for a younger model, but this is actually rare. We raise boys to be nice – and they are. Even as we are raising their wives to be sex-denying ball breakers.

  5. “Any population that prefers Game of Thrones to actual sex – to the point of being a substitute – deserves to die.”

    Maybe, but the thing is there are many more things you can do to occupy yourself now than 20 years ago.

  6. The overall trend for a decline in sex appears to be largely a cohort effect, meaning that how often adults have sex has changed between generations, with millennials, and those born since 1995, having sex about six times fewer a year for a given age than those born in the 1930s.

    I think the change is not just feminism, but also the fact that divorce (once considered shameful) is now so common-place that it passes almost without comment.

    As SMFS rightly says, a lot of this is caused by women “trading up” and specifically divorcing and then not being able to pair with another guy.

    There is another aspect of this which is that, which I think SMFS has quite right when he says “We raise boys to be nice”, with the consequence that it is the wife who most often (70% to 80% of the time) initiates the divorce.

    I suspect there are a great number of such divorced males who have learnt their lessons well and will not make such a foolish mistake as that again in a hurry.

    Given all the pressure on marriage I suspect it is a doomed institution, although it may return after the interregnum…or after the rise of “The Sons of Jacob”…

  7. Some of us enjoy Game of Thrones. And have sex afterwards.
    Generally not having sex while eating dinner but often watching something on TV for a little while.

    I have to wonder if people are now having better sex rather than sex more often?
    Say 3 hours in bed in one go rather than 3 different times during the day lasting less than 3 hours in total?

  8. In India, the spread of electricity and artificial lighting reduced the birth-rate by reducing the sex – they had books to read. Or TV to watch, more likely.
    It gets less frequent, but better, as you get older.
    As I am sure readers of this blog know.

  9. As SMFS rightly says, a lot of this is caused by women “trading up” and specifically divorcing and then not being able to pair with another guy.

    Or putting off getting married thinking that when she’s in her mid-30s she can simply find a guy and settle down. Then she hits her mid-30s and finds things aren’t quite as simple, leading to not much sex compared to her married sistas.

  10. There is another aspect of this which is that, which I think SMFS has quite right when he says “We raise boys to be nice”, with the consequence that it is the wife who most often (70% to 80% of the time) initiates the divorce.

    I suspect there are a great number of such divorced males who have learnt their lessons well and will not make such a foolish mistake as that again in a hurry.

    It is a sad, sad fact the phrase “treat ’em mean, keep ’em keen” is true. It seems to me you need to come down on most women like a tonne of bricks at the first transgression or you’re toast.

  11. Overall, the study reveals that the decline in sex over the years is largely down a rise in the number of individuals who are unmarried or have no steady partner, and a decrease in sex among those who are married or have steady partners.

    The first part seems entirely reasonable, if not actually bleeding obvious; that without a steady partner, the conditions for regular/frequent sex don’t really exist, in the sense of a quickie on the kitchen table while dinner’s in the oven. Coming from the other direction, as it were, anyone without a steady partner has to go through rather more effort to get to the point where sex is on the table (tinder and brasses aside).

    The second bit probably doesn’t have a single cause; though I’d bet that the cost of living/housing probably requires a dual income, which probably reduces the opportunities (time) for mid-week fumbling significantly. Which itself might be a function of perceived economic risk.

    Presumably, the reported rates would increase (to some sort of trend?) as the economy improves, and the twenty-something cohort become thirty-somethings. Naive proxies might include household formation rates and wage growth by age, and the age of first partition. Maybe sales volume of birth control methods. Probably tricky.

  12. Also, I agree with Tim N; every once in a while, just say No to something trivial. It just seems to keep the two-way street open.

    The other thing though is that although the study is from the US, I would assume that it would hold reasonably true for the UK, and probably only slightly less true for the other developed economies. And what I wonder about is this;

    If a large chunk of a particular birth year cohort defers entering the labour force for 3-5 years at age 18, and the UK number seems to be about a third, then at some point, you get some weird effects playing out. One could be exactly this, in that since 30%+ of 23 year olds are at least 3 years behind their peers in terms of wages (and thus savings/wealth/assets), they’d be getting less nookie within steady relationships, as they have less to offer a potential partner. So good news for graduates, as not only has the graduate premium collapsed, screwing your potential lifetime earnings, you’ve got a shitload of debt, probably until you’re into your forties, and now it appears you’re looking at another good few years of banging one out into a sock, since you ain’t getting laid either.

  13. So good news for graduates, as not only has the graduate premium collapsed, screwing your potential lifetime earnings, you’ve got a shitload of debt, probably until you’re into your forties, and now it appears you’re looking at another good few years of banging one out into a sock, since you ain’t getting laid either.

    …plus they’ve still got the grim certainty of death to look forward to…

  14. I don’t think “the graduate premium has collapsed”, it’s still there for plenty of degrees – chemical engineering, maths and computing, … For criminology or media studies, not so much.

    The problem is compounded by the ‘lifetime earning’ differential being (inevitably) based on people graduating in the 70s, when a far lower percentage of the population took a degree at all.

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