Err, rilly?

John Carlisle says:
March 12 2017 at 7:26 am
I think a nationwide poll will show that the remainers are substantial majority, while the leavers are an entrenched minority, sustained by the cognitive dissonance. We need to fight to stay in – by whatever means!

Didn’t we, err, just have a national poll?

50 comments on “Err, rilly?

  1. I think a nationwide poll will show that the remainers are substantial majority, while the leavers are an entrenched minority, sustained by the cognitive dissonance.

    An interesting sentence structure. He means the entrenched minority is sustained by cognitive dissonance but it sure looks like it refers to the subject of that sentence.

    We need to fight to stay in – by whatever means!

    Fight the power! We live in a democracy. You are welcome to ask the voters to revisit this issue. How do you think that will work out? Remember Canada.

  2. Most remain voters were likely of the “devil you know” status quo . A new and better status quo will bring most over. The Remainiacs arrogant contempt for votes that don’t go their way will have already pushed many over to Brexit.

    The ReMainiacs are about 1.5-2 mil well-off, middle/upper class, cultural Marxist, London Bubble scum however. Many of them profiting nicely from the EU squids poison.

  3. Leavers are “entrenched”? Let’s see, since the referendum a few have entered the cabinet, but not at pm or treasury. Pre the referendum the government was campaigning​ for remain. The remainers are the ones entrenched, albeit less so since the referendum.

  4. “Most remain voters were likely of the “devil you know” status quo . A new and better status quo will bring most over.”

    Exactly.

  5. According to:

    http://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html

    Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors. This produces a feeling of discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance etc.

    Sustained by a “feeling of discomfort”? That doesn’t make sense, unless you’re a pervert.

    Leavers that are still Leavers haven’t changed “attitudes, beliefs or behaviours”. So that doesn’t make sense either.

    Beats me what he’s getting at.

  6. Likely most who voted will not want to change their vote.
    My reasons for voting the way I did have not changed in years. I know several others who used the same method of deciding who would also not change their vote.

    Perhaps there are some who would. On each side.

  7. Richard Murphy:”My point then is this: Nothing requires a Remainer to now cooperate with Brexit.”

    Oh yes it fucking does: the laws of thr democratic state does!

    There could be a fantastic theme here: “Nothing requires me to cooperate with speed limits or drink driving laws.” ” Nothing reunites me to cooperate with no smoking restrictions”. ” Nothing requires me to cooperate with HMRC or anybody else trying to collect taxes voted for by Parliament”.

  8. Richard Murphy:”My point then is this: Nothing requires a Remainer to now cooperate with Brexit.”

    What does “not cooperating” mean? Marching into France without a passport and demanding unhindered entrance because you don’t recognize Brexit? (Oh, wait, that’s Schengen, not EU) Living by EU regulations when UK regulations eventually diverge? Voting yourself MEP for England and demanding the European parliament to recognize you?

  9. A U Gov poll showed that as you deduct income from leave voters, their support disappeared at low levels of sacrifice. They were eight times as likely to say immigration was their top issue. The less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote leave.
    It seems we are quite bigoted but very dumb. 90% of leave voters expected to be “better off “,they actually believed the bus. A majority of the country, when asked , say they want to remain in the single market.
    In the final days, leave openly talked about leaving the single market to clear the way for an all-out racially divisive attack. The tone had more typically been as per Graylings” Oh the Germans will still sell us their BMWs… …”. Few Leave voters know what the single market is.

    Positions have since hardened on all sides. It is psychologically impossible for the left behind, the resentful and senile to admit their social betters were right. As the truth emerges I shall try to reach out …”Its not your fault , … your mother drank during pregnancy ….paraffin by the look of it ”. I hope it will be emotionally sustaining for them.

  10. Brilliant ramping by Charles DeMoyne over at the other place. You’ve given me a right chuckle.

  11. Remainiac

    It is psychologically impossible for the left behind, the resentful and senile to admit their social betters were right.

    As the truth emerges I shall try to reach out …”Its not your fault , … your mother drank during pregnancy ….paraffin by the look of it ”. I hope it will be emotionally sustaining for them.

    You’re dribbling again..

    They were eight times as likely to say immigration was their top issue.

    You said this a couple of days ago. In fact you said 8 times as likely as a Remain voter. (Unless you are simply crap with figures?) I take it “8 times” was more impressive than the actual numbers themselves..;)

  12. Newmania

    “The less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote leave.”

    You can be highly educated and very stupid in many respects. (I know an Oxford professor who bought a house without getting a survey done – and then found it needed a new roof etc, totalling £40k. Brilliant in his field, but pretty dumb otherwise.) Conversely, you can be uneducated but very smart in many respects.

    “Few Leave voters know what the single market is.”

    Few remainers know what the single market is or how it differs from the customs’ union.

    “As the truth emerges I shall try to reach out …”Its not your fault , … your mother drank during pregnancy ….paraffin by the look of it ”. I hope it will be emotionally sustaining for them.”

    As an attempt at humour, I found that about as amusing as my last prostate biopsy.

  13. I think a nationwide poll will show that the remainers are substantial majority, while the leavers are an entrenched minority, sustained by the cognitive dissonance.

    That wins the Gold Award for projection, unless it is a wind-up. Surely no one could believe that Remainers are a “substantial majority” AND that their opponents are suffering from cognitive dissonance. The irony is overwhelming.

  14. Their social betters

    Lol. Talking of cognitive dissonance, it must be at brain tumour inducing levels to believe yourself as a progressive egalitarian and despise others because yor believe yourself to be “their social betters”.

    One of the great extras from Brexit has been the unmasking and flushing out of all the wankers from their ‘Progressive’ enclaves, and revealing themselves to be the sort of deranged snob who would have raised eyebrows even in the eighteenth century.

  15. It is psychologically impossible for the left behind, the resentful and senile to admit their social betters were right.

    A sad truth. Hopefully you’ll feel better when you make that admission.

  16. @synp

    “Marching into France without a passport and demanding unhindered entrance because you don’t recognize Brexit? (Oh, wait, that’s Schengen, not EU)”

    You could march into France with your passport and demand to allowed to continue staying and working after 90 days.

  17. A second referendum would be quite interesting. Now we know that chikin lickin was wrong and the sky didn’t fall down the day after the leave vote they will have to campaign on the EU positives. They might even define “ever closer union”.

  18. My point then is this: Nothing requires a Remainer to now cooperate with Brexit.

    Employer: Mr Remainer, here are my reasonable instructions.
    Remainer: I’m afraid my opposition to Brexit will not permit me to carry them out.
    Employer: We have great respect for your personal sense of integrity. Now clear your desk and don’t come Monday.

  19. Newmania

    And the referend showed that smug but thick twats like you failed tale your case and you lost the only.poll that counts.

    Why do you think you lost mate? Is it because your case isn’t as good good? Yiu in its not. So it must be you then? Your arguments through the referendum campaign were about as convincing and well made as they have been on his blog.

    You decide.

  20. Ironman – he’s outed you as a Thick.Racist.Prick, and you don’t like it… 🙂

    Also, wipe the spittle off your phone before typing, you might hit the right key more often.

  21. Another blok

    Oh good argument! Another advocate so well.employed by the Remain campaign. I have so much to thank you for.

  22. Amongst the many failures of the incompetents advocating Remain is the belief they know exactly why Leave voters voted as they did and the irresistible desire they feel to explain to Leave voters why they voted as they did. Personally, if I wanted to understand someone’s vote my first idea would be to ask them. I’m glad they didn’t; I won the most important debate of my life .

    Just as you are a long time dead, so the Remainers have the rest of their lives to ponder the country taking the path they didn’t want. Just as history recounts Magna Carta, the Reformation, the English Civil War, the Glorious Revolution, the Empire etc, so it will recount Brexit. Happy Rest of your Lives Remainers.

  23. Ah Ironhoof glad you could get away from the knitting group. History also recounts the fact France left NATO but soon found themselves back in it in all but name having tried wandering around the world alone with deux home et un poodle ( Bernarde) to no avail.
    The reformation was imported from Germany and Protestant Europeand the Empire to whose heir( the Commonwealth we export about as much as we do to Irela , was founded on Dutch Banking skills, around the time we begged a Dutch King and Queen to invade us.
    History records the English civil war, true dat, but if you wished to demonstrate the irreversibility of events I can hardly think of a worse example

    God save her majesty Ironhoof !!!! This is by no means over and it never will be..

  24. God save her majesty Ironhoof !!!! This is by no means over and it never will be..

    Added to which, we know (and this EU crittur certainly knows) that the intended end game is a USE.

    So, not one shred of ambiguity there!

  25. “This is by noears over”

    Wasn’t that the Black Knight in Month Python and the Holy Grail?

    “Decisive referendum defeat; ’tis but a flesh- wound.”

  26. I would like a Remainer, armed with their upper second class degree in Politics or Media Studies, to go into a pub and tell a plumber or electrician they are his social inferior.

    Please tell me when it will happen so I can be there and watch the result.

  27. “Bongo

    Brilliant ramping by Charles DeMoyne over at the other place. You’ve given me a right chuckle”

    Charles does come across as a bit of a nutcase but as I often say, if you seem to be agreeing you can say just about any bat shit crazy nonsense and it gets through…..

  28. Rob: “I would like a Remainer, armed with their upper second class degree in Politics or Media Studies, to go into a pub and tell a plumber or electrician they are his social inferior.”

    NewRemainia is too busy painting his face Union Jack style for rugby matches.

  29. Once Brexit happens, all the passionate remainers can form the UK Non-Independence Party (UKNIP) and campaign for a referendum to take us back into the EU (just as the EU itself will be imploding). Somehow, I suspect they’ll find people spectacularly disinterested, losing their deposit in most constituencies.

  30. The less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote leave.

    Well, yes. Modern ‘education’ is all about training you to do what you’re told. Has been pretty much ever since the Prussians invented it.

  31. NewRemainia is too busy painting his face Union Jack style for rugby matches.

    And you’re too busy fucking fat estate agents.

  32. Morning Stalky– thorazine warn off?

    So lets have it clear–Remain or not?

    After all you don’t want people thinking you are a wanker who is only on here to get vicarious “revenge” on others — in safety– because you don’t have the balls to front whoever is really sticking it to you in the real world.

  33. Mr Ecks is right:( it had to happen eventually). Once a new consensus forms round a practicable and detailed plan ,things will settle down.
    But the Beleavers don’t have a plan (beyond persecuting immigrants to keep the low-lifes happy) so the choice remains between a reformable single market and The Void .

  34. “The less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote leave.”

    Still waiting for a version of this statistic that adjust for the fact that we hand out five times as many degrees now as we did thirty years ago.

  35. “Few remainers know what the single market is or how it differs from the customs’ union.”

    Indeed. We must remain in the single market, but it is so despicable and outrageous that all those foreign companies sell things here and don’t pay UK taxes.

  36. “Persecuting migrants” Reedy?

    You mean like at Rotherham –and lots of other places–where those nasty young girls were trying to force their various orifices upon them?

  37. Also “reformable” single market Reedy?

    Well I suppose even your soviet socialist friends “reformed” in the end–after 70 years and 60 million murders– so anything is possible.

  38. I liked this comment over there from Charles Demoyne

    We should economically and socially ostracise such people. It should be the first step in fighting Brexit and the only hope we have of reuniting the country

    I wonder if he notices the logical inconsistency here? Thick as a thick short plank.

  39. Maybe Reed is right, and only “social betters” should be allowed the vote.

    But I see practical difficulties here:

    How is this to be defined?
    Worse, there are educated people on both sides of most arguments, very much including Brexit.

    So, even if the “low lifes” are removed from the electorate, it still won’t be enough. Some sort of central committee would be needed to vet potential MP’s, or Referendum questions or whatever.

  40. Ecks, I’m merely copying your example, you’re obnoxious posts are riddled with personal attacks.

    Also you did say that fat estate agents were your heroes.

    Hope you die soon 🙂

  41. *you are obnoxious * your obnoxious posts

    Thorazine makes me stupid. Didn’t think they still prescribed Largactil.

  42. “BraveFart

    I liked this comment over there from Charles Demoyne

    We should economically and socially ostracise such people. It should be the first step in fighting Brexit and the only hope we have of reuniting the country

    I wonder if he notices the logical inconsistency here? Thick as a thick short plank”

    Either that or deliberately illogical just to see how bonkers you can sound as long as you agree with the Murph Line.

    I’ll ask Charles next time I see him.

  43. Ecks

    Haven’t you read ‘Money Creation in the modern economy’ which means everything you have ever believed is a lie. Money is created out of thin air and the UK will be powerless to resist the inevitable fallout.

    If you read Adam Smith and were an educated arts graduate like me you would of course know that. Instead you just witter on hear until noone can hear you.

    Bottom line – I am clever. You lot are not.

  44. “Ecks, I’m merely copying your example, you’re obnoxious posts are riddled with personal attacks.”

    Many of the posts I respond to have personal attacks –not always against me either–in them already. And most of my enemies on here are ideologues who endorse and praise socialism –a creed that–in case you didn’t know–has murdered 150 million so far. If metaphorically bathing in an ocean of human blood doesn’t bother them then I doubt that tit for tat personal invective will either.

    “Also you did say that fat estate agents were your heroes.”

    You say I said that. I said that a fat estate agent who pays his way in the world and loves this country and its traditions enough to have voted for Brexit to preserve them is more of a hero than the scummy sports faux-patriots (such as NewRemainia) who run around with St George flags and Union Jack painted faces for fuckwit sports events and then stab their heritage of freedom and their nation in the back by voting Remain.

    The rest is your invention.

    “Hope you die soon ”

    I am going to live for a great number of years. But the sentiment sums up your mental and moral character more accurately than any of my remarks ever could.

  45. Newmania knows no bounds. He’ll be telling us that those Germans told Henry 8 to leave the Catholic Church next. One thing for sure is that, unlike Murph, Sturgy, Polly or big Di, Rocco will not be casting him anytime soon

  46. It occurs to me that the whole ‘We Remainers are far more intelligent than you moron Brexiteers, and if we do as you say and leave the EU, the economy is going to nosedive into a crater’ is an idea that lends itself well to a revealed preference test.

    If you really ‘know’ what the effects of Brexit are going to be, and how bad things will get, then one assumes that Remainers should be taking steps to a) protect themselves and b) profit from such a knowledge of the future. After all, a Brexiteer idiot like myself managed to cash my portfolio of shares out in May 2007, because I reckoned that something bad was coming down the pipe (didn’t realise it would be as bad as it was mind), so if you’re in possession of cast iron 100% solid Brexit based knowledge of where the UK economy will be in 2-3 years time then it should be pretty simple to profit massively.

    If the UK economy is going to tank it follows that sterling will fall even further, so borrowing in foreign currency makes a good deal of sense, as does selling all your UK property holdings, ditto your UK share investments. In fact one should not hold any sterling assets at all, above those needed for day to day expenses. Everything else needs to be shifted into foreign currency assets, including selling your house and moving into rental. It sounds quite radical, but after all its a no-brainer right? Sterling is definitely going to fall through the floor, it’ll be like picking free money off the floor. With a bit of George Soros 1992 style leverage you could project yourself into the mega-rich category with a one way bet like this.

    So how many Remainers are prepared to bet the farm on this horse that cannot possibly lose then?

  47. Ecks

    “Hope you die soon” for some reason Harry Enfield’s voice fitted the sentiment

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4yFJO6MvlI

    “more of a hero than the scummy sports faux-patriots (such as NewRemainia) who run around with St George flags and Union Jack painted faces for fuckwit sports events and then stab their heritage of freedom and their nation in the back by voting Remain”

    Yeah! Damn sports fans. Doing supporting.

    Really, what the hell are you on about, Estate-Agent X?

    “And most of my enemies on here are ideologues who endorse and praise socialism”

    Apart from DBC Reed, where are the socialists?

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