So if we get rid of the whales then there’s more food for everyone, yes?

For context, the study points out that humans consume about 400m tonnes of meat and fish every year, while whales feed on 280-500 tonnes and seabirds about 70m tonnes of seafood.

(I assume they dropped a m from that amount the whales eat).

35 comments on “So if we get rid of the whales then there’s more food for everyone, yes?

  1. If we got rid of cars less people would die on the roads, if we got rid of easy travel there would be no aids. At every stage of getting rid of things life gets better until you reach the heaven that was the middle ages in which life was famously nice civilized and long.
    Hmmm perhaps this equation is not as straightforward as it looks

  2. I think the lesson here is that a lot fewer sea birds would be good for everyone. More whales. More Japanese food.

    Newmania – “If we got rid of cars less people would die on the roads”

    Fewer. Not less. But no, because people would still walk, ride bikes and so on. Horses are perfectly capable of killing people. In fact we might end up with more deaths on the road. China certainly used to have very high bicycle deaths.

    “if we got rid of easy travel there would be no aids.”

    It is probably enough to persecute homosexuals a bit more. Works for Cuba – and endorsed by the New York Times.

  3. Isn’t the moral of this lesson that we need to kill more spiders to save the planet?

    Although it does explain a lot about the Guardian. All this time I have assumed they were just misguided idiots but clearly they are enthralled to the Eight Legs by means of a blue crystal. We should check out their staff by asking them what “eye so bright” refers to and executing anyone who knows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/06/wasp-masters-turn-enslaved-spiders-into-zombies-to-build-their-nests

    (That was just more interesting imo)

  4. Hallowed Be – “Less fish and chips, lesser people.”

    The Mail was claiming that fish and chips is not British, but an innovation by Eastern European Jews.

    So Dave probably thinks that is anti-semitic.

  5. I suspect the figures for human impact on wild fish are a gross understatement due to failure to include indirect consumption .

    By indirect consumption I mean fishmeal made from wild fish used to produce compound feed for farmed fish and weener piglets .

    The over farming of bait fish in the North Sea has already caused sea birds , i.e. cormorants , to move inland and decimate roach and trout stocks .

  6. It does seem to me that the number was rounded, and given who wrote the article, rounded up. You might get a figure for all landings, in which case Striebs’ indirect consumption is already accounted for.

    My goodness. Do we stock ‘roaches? I thought that only New Yorkers farmed them on an industrial scale!

  7. Does the bacon still taste of fish?

    Nah, we have a lot more choice in the shops than when we came out in 2002 – we even have Lidl!

    None of it fills the pan with that white, salty mush tho…

  8. Can we compromise and get rid of Wales

    What did we ever do to you lot? The Irish bomb you, the Scots despise you enough to have votes on leaving. We just hate your rugby team, otherwise we’re all good.

  9. China certainly used to have very high bicycle deaths.

    Presumably they’re making them a bit smaller these days.

  10. Witchie – “Do we stock ‘roaches? I thought that only New Yorkers farmed them on an industrial scale!”

    In the English speaking world, the roach is a type of coarse fish. Smaller than a carp. Like a fat goldfish. Actually, to be honest, I can’t identify them. They are the fish you throw back if you don’t want to cut them up for bait.

    Tim Newman – “What did we ever do to you lot?”

    Neil and Gladys Kinnock. Us oldies remember.

  11. Neil and Gladys Kinnock. Us oldies remember.

    Oh FFS, we can’t be held responsible for them! Or we’ll at Ritchie and Blair to your side of the ledger!

  12. Bring it on! Blair being a Scot and Ritchie being Irish.

    Tom Jones and Dylan Thomas?

  13. SMFS – it was meant to be a play on words and a dig at the septics, and an oblique reference the swarming masses of insects I saw on my one and only visit to NY. Roach is both singular and plural if referring to fish, and I pondered whether it is an uncountable noun, but it isn’t. ‘roaches is the plural of an abbreviation, with the apostrophe denoting the place where the excision of part of the word has taken place. The explanation mark in this context implies that the sentence may be taken with a pinch of salt, tongue in cheek, not intended to be taken seriously, ironic, or with humorous intent. A tedious twat would have bracketted it with [sarc] and [\sarc] because they wouldn’t have understood that hyperbole wasn’t sarcasm, but perhaps then it would be more obvious that it wasn’t a simple misunderstanding. In the English-speaking world, mate, the exclamation mark is enough.

    As for the English speaking world, it is one I inhabit. However, with 300 million septics speaking a dialect and only 60 million Brits, isn’t it obvious that the fuckers outbred us? Isn’t it equally obvious, every time your Windows loads up that they’ve won? Mac-bollocks (and I don’t mean SNP) is even worse, if that’s possible. Don’t even hint that I welcome that. Favorites my arse.

  14. Tim Newman

    Walking into a shop in North Wales, the chatting fishwives switch from English to Welsh. A local follows you into the shop. They serve her directly and ignore you.

    “What did we ever do to you lot”

    Simple. North Welsh are bigots, prejudiced against the English and take pride in showing it. I’m 64 and I’ve travelled the world (I’ve even been as far as Scotland), but I’ve never met as naked prejudice as in Wales

  15. Tim N,
    Hating the English rugby team may be illegal now given the mix of origins.

    Launchbury is obviously English, and obviously teleported in from the 60’s, but he’s not Home Counties and doesn’t seem offensive. Who can you target?

    George Orwell and Danny Care have never been seen in the same room at the same time.

  16. Walking into a shop in North Wales, the chatting fishwives switch from English to Welsh.

    They don’t, that’s a myth which I explained once over on Samizdata. Those who can speak Welsh are overwhelmingly those for whom it is a first language; very few can speak it to fluency having learned it as a second language. So it is unlikely that you would get a bunch of Welsh speakers in a shop speaking English, only to switch when somebody English walks in. I’ve heard this myth a thousand times, one bloke even swore blind it happened to him, honest! It doesn’t make any sense.

  17. North Welsh are bigots, prejudiced against the English and take pride in showing it. I’m 64 and I’ve travelled the world (I’ve even been as far as Scotland), but I’ve never met as naked prejudice as in Wales

    Did the Welsh bomb the English? Did they hold a hate-filled campaign in advance of a referendum to leave?

    Anyway, the North Welsh are bascially Scousers.

  18. I know a bloke who bought a holiday cottage in Wales.

    Got back to a roaring home fire.

    ©NtNoCN.

  19. To be a serious pendant, as becomes a jaundiced engineer, M is mega, m is milli. I don’t think they were talking about millitonnes – a millitonne is a kilogramme after all. Yet another for Tim’s diatribes against editorial standards in MSM.

  20. @ BiJ
    I walk into a shop in England, a woman follows me in and the staff serve her first – that not racial prejudice, it’s gender discrimination: some women assume that no man is capable of going shopping on his own. It doesn’t happen all that often, and a lot less often than a few decades but it still happens, so I think you you are drawing the wrong conclusion.

  21. I’m with TimN on this one. I have a good (English) friend who lives in Nefyn on the Llyn peninsula where Welsh is the first language. I visit often to play gold and sail and haven’t had a problem and neither has he living there. When chatting amongst themselves they speak in Welsh but are always happy to switch to English if necessary.

    I’ve found it no different to working in HK, the Netherlands or even Switzerland where English is spoken quite well as a 2nd language.

    Perhaps some are looking for offence where none is intended because they feel inadequate about speaking only one language?

  22. Maybe they haven’t forgiven us for the Chartists and Rebecca riots
    I think someone commented that the worst thing about them winning the rugby World Cup is that now they won’t ever shut up about it just like ’66 every time there’s a football tournament.
    Though admittedly I have made a point of reminding Canadians that GB won an Olympic gold at ice hockey once just to see the puzzled look on their face

  23. 400m tonnes a year is, give or take, 50kg per person per year. OK, there are places where people eat a lot of fish, but an average of 1kg a week sounds a little high to this (fish-loving) inlander, and probably outstrips global per capita meat consumption (USA, top of the global list, is 120kg per year, but that’s carcass mass, so actual meat product will be roughly half of that)

    The BBC reported last year (google) 20kg per capita global fish consumption. Which sounds more plausible.

  24. Bloke in Germany – “400m tonnes a year is, give or take, 50kg per person per year.”

    humans consume about 400m tonnes of meat and fish every year

    Increasing fish demand in the world is driven mainly by China.

  25. Professor Obvious strikes again.

    Candidly, I’m disappointed. You didn’t even lift data from wikipedia and act as if you knew it by heart. Must do better.

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