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We hate the Frogs more than we love the Scots:

Brexit is more important to voters than keeping the United Kingdom together, an opinion poll for The Telegraph has indicated.

Sixty per cent of respondents agreed that Britain’s EU departure mattered more than stopping the UK’s break-up, while just 27 per cent disagreed.

Furthermore a majority of people said they would still vote for Brexit even if they knew it could trigger Scotland’s independence.

22 comments on “News just in

  1. Surely that should read:

    A majority said they would be even more inclined to vote for Brexit if it meant Scottish independence.

  2. “We hate the Frogs more than we love the Scots”

    Well, that’s a given – you guys don’t like the Scots but you *hate* the French.

    And it seems to me a Brexit with a side of Scottish Exit is just win-win as far as England is concerned.

  3. And it seems to me a Brexit with a side of Scottish Exit is just win-win as far as England is concerned.

    And they just don’t seem to get this.

  4. It is far from certain that an independent Scotland could join the EU, it’s got enough basket economies, but even if it did, it’s unlikely that EU largesse would match the English taxpayer trough they’ve had their snouts in.

  5. Personally, I love (or at least like) the French and the Scots I know and have met. I certainly love France and bits of Scotland. I just don’t want to be in the EU.

  6. Suspect the result would have been different before the nastiness of the last Scottish referendum.

  7. It’s a false dichotomy in any case. This is exactly why Scottish Independence is on the table.

    If one lot keep voting one way and t’other the other then it doesn’t make sense to stay in the same union.

  8. What DocBud said applies to me. I voted for Brexit. That it might lead to Scottish independence was considered a bonus.

    (Not from animosity towards the Scots. Strictly speaking, what I really want is English independence, so all the different Brits can go off and do things their own way instead of blaming us for not being socialist enough)

  9. I know as an Englishman it is not really fashionable to say this, but I would be very sad if Scotland split from the union.

    Any observation of the left would demonstratethat fraternal squabbles are always the most bitter(Judean People’s Front? Splitters!!); but ultimately we are better off supporting each other than dividing, I don’t think the same is true of our relationship with the EU.

  10. The simplest answer to Scottish Referendum request is NO. The SNP had one and lost. Why should they get a re-run any more than Remainiac scum should get a Brexit re-run?

    Also Doc Bud calls it right. The EU don’t want another basket case just to score a pathetic propaganda victory. If they enforce their own rules–and after the PIIGS debacle they can hardly not without vast internal strife–Scotland would have to endure years of Greek-style real austerity not pathetic Tory cuts. It needs to be made clear to the Scottish people that that is the reality of re-joining the EU . Plus the Euro –and possibly being a migrant dumping ground because the EU hierarchy hate the UK and know most forced imports would try to go south . Hadrians Wall would need to again be a real border again. Not to mention that the dictatorial combo of the SNP and the ESpew will drive any Scot with any kind of nous or desire to improve their life south also. They would be a welcome asset unlike the rapefugees.

    Sturgeon and her gang are just trying to cause trouble for Brexit. Fuck off is the appropriate answer.

  11. “I know as an Englishman it is not really fashionable to say this, but I would be very sad if Scotland split from the union.”

    Me too. Like very many English people, I have ancestors in more than one non-English British country: the truth is that we all have more in common with each other than we do with anyone else.

  12. Fen Tiger – quite, my nom de plume is a nod to such an ancestor, though he was Shetlander, not sure if that counts as Scottish.

  13. The vast majority of Scots that I’ve met socially and through work are hard working, liberal and good fun and I’d be happy to continue in a Union with them.

    However their country has been taken over by a bunch of English hateing socialist teenagers and unless the grown ups find a way to take control its time to give them what they want, good and hard.

  14. As I understand it Scotland has 8% of the British economy and 8% of the population. If that is approximately so Scotland would expect to pay 8% of the UK contribution in order to join the EU- probably more as the EU will likely have to raise it’s subs once Britain is out. There are vastly poorer countries in the EU- Greece, Bulgaria, Romania come to mind.
    So they won’t actually suffer Greek style austerity- but it will feel like that to them.
    I hope and pray that should there be a second referendum Scots living outside Scotland will have a vote. I know a few who were disgruntled at being excluded last time, and they weren’t particularly modified by being told that if Scotland didn’t want them we did.

  15. Not to mention that the dictatorial combo of the SNP and the ESpew will drive any Scot with any kind of nous or desire to improve their life south also.

    Not sure about moving but I’d certainly incorporate a wholly owned subsidiary of my company in England within the first few minutes of the referendum failing*.

    though he was Shetlander, not sure if that counts as Scottish.

    Not according to any of the Shetlanders I know.

    * Others will deem as success what I deem as failure.

  16. “So they won’t actually suffer Greek style austerity- but it will feel like that to them.”

    They most certainly would suffer Greek style austerity – they are running a Greece sized budget deficit, which would undoubtedly worsen in the upheaval of independence (if the UK losing Single Market access for 45% of its exports is going to be a disaster, then Scotland losing Union access for 90% of its exports is going to be catastrophic) and in order to re-join the EU (and the euro) cuts in spending and tax rises of a similar nature to those imposed on Greece would be necessary from day 1. They would be the like of cuts that have never been seen on these islands in living memory, if ever. It would be made all the worse by the ease with which people could leave Scotland (with their money) for south of the border. Personally I would predict a rapid economic death spiral unless they closed the borders and imposed capital controls. Which given the predilections of the SNP would be entirely within character.

  17. SE,

    As the cost of setting up a company is peanuts you and fellow like-minded Scots could send an early signal, revealed preference ‘n’ all that. And if you left it dormant until needed it would have added benefit of winding up Spud.

    According to the Economist a large number of financial institutions have been quietly setting up brass plates in London.

  18. @BiND:

    Almost every Scottish financial company did that during/after the last referendum. Any that didn’t are negligent, quite frankly.

  19. I have another theory. Every time the spectre of independence is raised Gordon Brown is disinterred from his political grave, and is allowed to pledge further powers to Scotland. OK it’s a long shot that Sturgeon is that clever, but if she was she’s playing a good game. Getting more powers will still being allowed to suck on the teat of the English taxpayer. That’s having your cake and eating it.

  20. Getting more powers will still being allowed to suck on the teat of the English taxpayer.

    Yes – technically known as the Quebec gambit

  21. I hope and pray that should there be a second referendum Scots living outside Scotland will have a vote.

    Given the result affects the whole of the UK, I think the rest of the UK should have a vote this time…

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