Tee Hee

Donald Trump handed the German chancellor Angela Merkel a bill — thought to be for more than £300bn — for money her country “owed” Nato for defending it when they met last weekend, German government sources have revealed.

The bill — handed over during private talks in Washington — was described as “outrageous” by one German minister.

No, it doesn’t make any sense, we all know that. But as theatre…..

31 comments on “Tee Hee

  1. Trump was clearly trolling her. His opening gambit in all negations is always to take the most extreme position possible and slowly wind back.

    The bill actually makes a lot of sense to a businessman like Trump.

  2. There is no denying that the Germans have done extremely well out of the Americans. They have not been particularly thankful.

    Just compare over the other side of the fence. The Soviets dismantled 3,500 factories in Germany. They took 1.115 million pieces of equipment. Which they seem to have mostly wasted.

    Yet educated Germans are more likely to admire the USSR than the USA.

  3. “Yet educated Germans are more likely to admire the USSR than the USA.”

    That is because they are a nation–like Sweden–of two-thirds cucks. Who fawn over violent imports who rape and brutalise the vulnerable.

  4. “Something to bear in mind when the EU presents us with a bill….”

    Perhaps something the Germans might like to ponder regarding the putative Brexit bill.

    Billing Brits for advantages of EU – totally sensible.
    Billing Germans for advantages of NATO – totally outrageous.

  5. Presumably the Left are all in favour of this.

    After all, they keep telling us that our obligations under international treaties are sacrosanct and have to be obeyed even if they conflict with national interest or popularly-elected governments.

    Pressuring Germany to fulfil its proper role in multinational communities must be just the sort of thing they approve of.

  6. and he should do it everytime someone in Germany or wherever claims its the EU that has kept everyone safe for 60 years.
    now they may a point if they said …we’ll take it from here US… thanks for the fish… but then that bill would be slapped on their tax payers and that might not end well (for the EU)

  7. But wasn’t NATO in Germany more in the line of an occupying and pacifying force? A bit like billing former prisoners for post-release rehabilitation.

  8. “Something to bear in mind when the EU presents us with a bill….”

    But the two cases are not symmetrical.

    The UK has paid its tribute to the Fourth Reich, as obliged by the treaties it signed. Therefore, the UK now owes the Fourth Reich little or nothing.

    Germany, however, has not fulfilled its obligation to spend 2% pa of gdp on defence, as required by the NATO treaty. As such, it has freeloaded on the US, and I can see why Trump is irritated by this. At the very least, Germany needs to promise to increase its defence spending to the required 2% pa of gdp.

  9. “At the very least, Germany needs to promise to increase its defence spending to the required 2% pa of gdp.”

    or renegotiate the treaty…

  10. @Jack C

    Has Juncker been asked for an opinion?

    I believe so. His response was “Brandy, please”.

  11. The bill — handed over during private talks …

    Surely not the Donald’s usual style

  12. SMFS>

    “Yet educated Germans are more likely to admire the USSR than the USA.”

    You are completely deluded, as usual. No-one bar a handful of utterly-nutterly extreme lefties has anything but the strongest criticism for the Soviet Union, these days. Only fringe loonies ‘admire’ it.

    In the last Bundestag election the German Communist party took part in – 2009 – they managed the whopping total of 1,894 votes.

    For comparison, the Monster Raving Loony Party has never got fewer than 1,900 votes in a UK general election.

    The reality is of course that everyone being to the left of you doesn’t mean they’re all Communist, it means you’re far-right.

  13. It’s historically quite normal for Empires to pay tribute – but it’s never called tribute – to client kingdoms at their periphery as payment for their mounting a defence against barbarians on their far side. It’s presumably what the Romans Britons did; paying the Votadini (of what’s now SE Scotland) to defend them from the Caledonians further north.

    All that’s happened in the US case is that rather than pay tribute, or subsidy if you prefer, to Germany, they’ve provided the defence expenditure themselves. If the Germans refuse to comport themselves as a client kingdom then it seems reasonable to bill them.

  14. Trump is probably genuine about this. I bet he imagines getting the cash out of the Germans will be as quick and easy as dismantling Obamacare.

  15. Strangely it wasn’t called the Union of Soviet Communist Republics Dave. What a pathetic ploy. As if the to are not the same save for how much deceitful milk and water are added to the mix. Until socialism gets the power it seeks–as in Venezuela–and the true nature of socialist evil emerges.

    Because despite how ever many times socialism fails it always turns up again. Possibly because it is an excellent fit for human evil. It took a certain religious import centuries ( and barbaric centuries everywhere on Earth) to accumulate the same death toll that socialism has managed in 100 years of mostly decreasing poverty and barbarism–everywhere that socialism wasn’t.

  16. In the last Bundestag election the German Communist party took part in – 2009 – they managed the whopping total of 1,894 votes.

    And how many did the US Republicans get? Ah, none.

    Because they didn’t stand any candidates.

    So your figures are immaterial to the arguments being presented.

  17. It’s only fair that if you insist on submitting imaginary invoices then you can’t complain when you receive one yourself.

  18. I think if we are presented with a bill by the EU, we say no and refuse to contribute troops to NATO until the bill goes away.

    I see no reason to defend these frech fuckers (and they are all french fuckers) if they wish to steal from us.

  19. The Left are pretty lefty lefties, as their name suggests… Seems disingenuous not to count their votes to the total.

  20. Dave – “You are completely deluded, as usual. No-one bar a handful of utterly-nutterly extreme lefties has anything but the strongest criticism for the Soviet Union, these days. Only fringe loonies ‘admire’ it.”

    On the contrary. Speak to some educated Germans. The “blame America first” trend is strong. As we see with the war on terror.

    “In the last Bundestag election the German Communist party took part in – 2009 – they managed the whopping total of 1,894 votes.”

    What did Die Linke get? You know, the successor party to the SED. Which is co-chaired by an unrepentant former SED Student activist.

    “The reality is of course that everyone being to the left of you doesn’t mean they’re all Communist, it means you’re far-right.”

    Sure. But being on the Left usually means taking the anti-American side of any argument. Which in turn means taking a pro-Soviet one. And when the German elite warmly embraces former Communists thinly disguised, it is not hard to see what they really think. Compare the way that Die Linke is treated compared with the neo-Nazi parties.

  21. Die Linke are pretty Communist, but they get very few votes from people not raised under Communism.

    Once all the oldies die — who vote for the (perceived) stability of Communism and because they were raised to believe in it — Die Linke will make very little impact. Even in the old West Germany many of the voters are former Easteners who have moved.

    If I was worried about Germans voting for parties that will destroy their country, I’d be much more worried about the Green Party.

  22. Germans are high energy, high IQ, lunatics and always have been.

    The English are a minor German tribe.

    Do be careful, please.

  23. I can imagine things could get quite interesting in terms of the US Germany relationship if US hating anti-capitalist Martin Schulz wins the election

  24. Fred Z,

    And their women generally smell of piss. One of the reasons their women in the Ruhr weren’t raped as comprehensively as those overrun by Russians in 1945 (apparently). Or it might be something to do with Brits being rather more civilised – who knows? Anyway, guess who they prefer? And as the Russians are a bit too far away at the moment, they’ve imported another clan of rapists …

  25. Tim: ‘No, it doesn’t make any sense, we all know that. But as theatre…..’
    Not theatre, Tim, TV. Remember Trump was the ‘You’re fired’ guy on US TV’s Apprentice for 10 years or so. He knows TV (in a way Hillary did not).

  26. America effectively funded Europe’s welfare states through NATO, by eliminating the need for those nations to defend themselves. The world would be a very different place without it.

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