Very Heinz Kiosk

But let’s, in the absence of a terrorist explanation, ask what drives a 52 year old man to such behaviour because if it wasn’t terrorism it begs even bigger questions of our society in which, I stress, he’s always reported to have lived.

We are all guilty, no?

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  1. There’s just no way of knowing what caused this Muslim terrorist to commit acts of Islamic terrorism against the infidel as commanded by his religion.

    Could it have been anxiety over Brexit? Disappointment at the lack of recent Muslim representation on Midsomer Murders? Perhaps he was disillusioned by Donald Trump’s views on climate change?

    No wonder the Metropolitan Police are stumped. Scotland Yard’s finest Twitter detectives can’t work out what caused a man who owns a “holy” book that told him to kill the kuffar to go out and kill the kuffar. It just doesn’t make sense.

    The important thing is that we don’t draw any logical conclusions from this latest Islamic horror, because that would be racist. Whatever it is, some candlelight vigils and strategically chosen hashtags are sure to fix it.

    #prayforLondon

  2. Society’s to blame!* That an angry and violent loser was converted to a religio-political ideology promising every jihadist martyr a place in paradise for murdering infidels had nothing to do with it! Or so says the Sage of Ely.

    *because it’s a capitalist society.

  3. I’ve read the entire post & it’s clear we should thank Murphy for identifying the real victim here.

  4. One obvious conclusion is that our use of the penal system as a system of caring for the mentally ill is flawed in many ways. One of which is that there is insufficient capacity to hold such people for the required length of time. The cycling of such people in and out of prison is doing no one any good. Islamic terrorism my foot. This was a psychotic individual.

  5. in the absence of a terrorist explanation

    OMG, he’s going to convert. A tax jihad will entitle him to a bus-load of virgins.

  6. in the absence of a terrorist explanation

    There is no absence of a terrorist explanation. He was a terrorist, who committed a terrorist act.

    Once again he dismisses reality with the very first words and then constructs a ludicrous straw man. He is a zen master at it.

  7. Diogenes,

    Maybe. But why aren’t these people picking out verses from the old testament? Plenty of stuff in there to pick from. Why’s it always Islam?

  8. @Diogenes: “One obvious conclusion is that our use of the penal system as a system of caring for the mentally ill is flawed in many ways.”

    There seems no evidence that he was mentally ill. Except his conversion to Islam.

  9. Islamic terrorism my foot. This was a psychotic individual.

    Up to a point, Lord Copper.

    This explanation/excuse has been pushed on behalf of each and every other “lone” perpetrator of such atrocities. My guess is that such individuals are attracted to Islam precisely because of the licence – encouragement even – it can give for violent attacks on non-believers (or wrong believers).

    Of course there is something seriously wrong with anyone who would act as this man did. But to claim that it has nothing to do with his religion, when many similar attacks have been made worldwide in the name of that religion, is absurd.

  10. Quite, JuliaM, (Peace be upon you), any rational human bean looking at the history of the making up of Islam by the utterly repulsive Mohammed would throw up their arms and declare “Quel poppycock.” You have to be seriously unhinged to think that Allah really exists and that PedoMo is the perfect man. Don’t suppose Aisha did when he violated her at 9 years old, or all the raped slave women and girls, or those he had beheaded or those caravaners he robbed.

  11. Diogenes – “One obvious conclusion is that our use of the penal system as a system of caring for the mentally ill is flawed in many ways.”

    You assume that he was mentally ill. Why?

    “One of which is that there is insufficient capacity to hold such people for the required length of time.”

    Actually we can’t hold these people at all unless there is real evidence they are a danger to others.

    “The cycling of such people in and out of prison is doing no one any good.”

    I agree. We need to stop letting them out.

    “Islamic terrorism my foot. This was a psychotic individual.”

    What makes you think that?

  12. @diogenes

    This was a psychotic individual.

    If you’re going to chuck around clinical armchair diagnoses, show me a single scrap of evidence that Masood was psychotic.

  13. We are going to have an endless number of such attacks. Until we are all dead.

    Or we have a more reasonable immigration policy. Japan does not have many of these attacks. We don’t need to either.

  14. DocBud – “Japan didn’t let the genie out of the bottle like most of the west has done.”

    Ten percent of the population of Algeria used to be French. They solved that problem over a period of a few weeks. The genie can be put back in the bottle. Or rather, deported.

  15. From the Telegraph:

    He would get into fights regularly, often accusing his intended victims of racism before launching a surprise, brutal attack. He would be jailed twice for slashing people with knives.

    Despite settling in Northiam, he conducted a reign of terror.

    Lee Lawrence, 47, a friend from the village, has told the Telegraph how he harboured a “blood lust” and had told him: “I dream about blood. I dream about killing someone.”

    In Northiam, Ajao slashed the tyres of the cars of the women’s netball team after his partner was left out of the team – because the other women did not want Ajao turning up to matches.

    On another occasion, in a chilling echo of events 20 years later, he tried to run a neighbour down in his car by mounting the pavement.

    Nigel Gill, who runs a local store, said: “This woman was just sat in the pub and Adrian walked over to her and asked if she wanted a drink. She said no and he got right up close in her face and said: ‘Why what’s wrong with me. Is it because I am black?’ and then he spat in her face and headbutted her.

    “He was vicious. He was a bully. In the row over the netball team, he went out with his car and threatened a local woman who was walking along by almost running her over on the pavement. He mounted the kerb. He was giving her a warning.”

    He has a history of attacking people with knives and of attempting to kill people by running them over. He has a history of thinking that people have racist thoughts about him. Flimsy evidence I know, but everyone is so obsessed with his religion that commonsense and systematic reporting has vanished. What evidence is there that he was a jihadi?

  16. @diogenes

    Personality disorder – not psychosis. That said, all armchair diagnoses are bullshit. I never examined him, neither did you, so spare us the clinical wisdom, eh?

  17. There was a hustings comment from several years ago by a jolly decent liberal UKIP candidate whose name I forget. It went something like
    “various bearded nutters who try to kill various of us are a danger to our lives. But the danger to our way of life is what the nutters in government might do in response to this.”

  18. I wonder why certain Muslims go into prisons to convert violent individuals. Could it be that some Muslims want a war?
    I’m sure 99% of Muslims want no such thing. But the other 1% do more damage than the 99% can make up for, and intimidate the 99% to boot.
    It would be lovely if we could reliability identify the 1%.

  19. Diogenese
    This was a psychotic individual.

    Well, if you say so. But we’re entitled to ask why the RoP is so much more effective at recruiting these shits than, say, the Anti-vivisectionist League or the Scots Nats.

  20. On an earlier thread on his blog, this is inspired trolling:

    Jack C says:
    March 23 2017 at 9:01 am
    Yes, I’m afraid Richard’s values are a target. Democracies require opposition and debate. As the intellectual inspiration for Corbynism, and the intellectual bulwark against the establishment demonisation of the SNP, Richard is critical to that opposition. Oh, did I mention Green QE?

    The fact is that many of Richard’s insights are a genuine threat to many vested interests. That is why we value his bravery as well as everything else.

    Richard Murphy says:
    March 23 2017 at 9:18 am
    Let me assure you, I am just a guy who writes down what he thinks

  21. I think the policy of saying “you don’t have to be psychotic to be a Muslim but it helps!” may end up having a few unexpected side effects.

  22. Richard Murphy says:
    March 23 2017 at 9:18 am
    Let me assure you, I am just a guy who writes down what he thinks

    We already knew that.

  23. Looks to me that Diogenes is talking a lot of sense .

    Without all this radical Islam shit this deeply unpleasant dangerous individual would have continued to be a serious nuisance but probably not a multiple murderer.

    More than anything he represents a failure of the criminal justice system exacerbated by the continuous exaggeration in the media of the threat from jihadists, which does exist but we’ve coped with worse. The IRA were a more serious threat to life and limb for instance.

    And the same goes for a good proportion of these bastards

    Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t stop immigration from known terrorist exporting countries of course we should. We should also cut loose the fucking Saudis who are behind most of it. But the point has been made above; the real threat to our way of life comes from our own government aided and abetted by the press and therefore by us.

    Don’t panic; in 100 years England will still exist unless we decide to turn it into 1984 in the mean while.

  24. I’m not convinced these people are psychotic. Not that I’m a psychological expert, shrink, psychologist, astrologist, psychic, witch doctor or anything remotely medical.
    If you convince someone that killing a load of haram non-persons (as defined by this magic book) will get them an eternity of paradise and 72 virgins, then killing a load of these people would seem to be a logical thing for them to do. We only think they are psychotic because we do not share in their belief of their particular brand of magic sky fairy.
    The statements of “oh it is just one mentally ill person” are to fit the narrative of NTDWI and to comfort the pearl-clutchers who are afraid to confront the truth that, y’know, some people are a bit Shit and will hurt other people (without mental illness being a cause).

  25. @Diogenes: “He has a history of attacking people with knives and of attempting to kill people by running them over. ”

    Sounds…familiar.

  26. @BiI: “The IRA were a more serious threat to life and limb for instance.”

    The IRA wanted the English out of Ireland. They didn’t want England to look and behave like Ireland.

    A bit different.

  27. Any man who voluntarily denies himself bacon, ale and the pleasures of tit Monday is prima facie bonkers.

    But as others have asked, why do the homicidal loons all do it for ‘Allah’? There does seem to be some connection.

  28. Odd, isn’t it, that being half black makes you identify with the black parent rather than the white one. Halle Berry another case. And of course, the ‘right’ religion for a black person is Islam – the religion that enslaved so many black people (add in a bit of castration and rape) and sold them to people in boats, who eventually decided that keeping (black) people as slaves wasn’t Christian, so freed them so that their descendants could live in some of the most prosperous and liberated civilizations that ever existed. Cassius Clay one of this type.

  29. “But let’s, in the absence of a terrorist explanation, ask what drives a 52 year old man to such behaviour…”

    Answer: a history of violent crime including stabbing someone in the face… psychopath/sociopath or whatever condition drives mass murderers.

  30. I’m with Bloke in Italy here. Psychotics, failure of the justice system (why was he not locked up for life?) and islam are all to blame.

  31. Odd that the police should arrest 8/9 people around the country if he was a “lone nutcase”. Distinctly odd.

  32. Bloke in Italia – in 100 years England will still exist unless we decide to turn it into 1984 in the mean while.

    In 100 years this country will be Englistan unless/until we decide to do the needful.

    Imagine a wasp’s bike in your kids’ bedroom. Saying stuff like “well of course SOME of them will sting our toddlers, but NOT ALL WASPS ARE LIKE THAT and the real tragedy would be if we became some sort of Apocritaphobic fascists and maybe if we let the wasps multiply everything will work out for the best!” isn’t critical thinking. It’s intellectual bromide. Cogitative displacement activity. Mental masturbation.

    NB – I’m not saying you’re saying this. But it’s the current position of our government and media.

    Nobody actually wants 1984, except those New Labour and Red Tory creeps who keep floating ID cards and other awful ideas. Big Brotherism is actually a symptom of the British State’s increasingly absurd and pathetic political contortions in trying to pretend we can all live happily ever after with the wasps buzzing around our heads. The Metropolitan Police pretending they don’t understand the motive behind this latest terrorist atrocity is low farce.

    We never needed armed police on the streets or “anti-radicalisation” taskforces or laws against criticising religions or airport security that resembles an overpriced PoW camp before. We won’t need them after.

    JuliaM – spot on. The IRA had limited territorial ambitions. We’re now at war with an ideology that believes it has a divine mandate to conquer the world and rape, murder or enslave Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, atheists and apostates.

    At no point in the sad history of the Troubles were we faced with a situation where “Seamus” was the most popular baby name in England, or had people threatening to murder us all unless we converted to Catholicism and alcoholism and learned the Riverdance.

  33. Who cares if he was a nutter with violent urges?

    How did he go from slashing tyres to multiple murder? Islam –that’s how. Most of every type of person are non-violent left to themselves. But it is obvious to anyone not a leftist moron that human history is soaked in blood. So how do the ordinary non-violent anythings become part of the killing? The key word is ordinary. Cos what makes you ordinary is doing what the boss class tell you to. Sure every person has to draw the line for themselves. But if the conscription papers came thro the door how many are going to say “Fuck Off”. There are always a few conshes but how many say “No Mr Poli-pork getting croaked in your fucking war isn’t In my plans so fuck off”. Not many.

    And how many RoP are standing up in the mosques (not the women for certain sure) saying how wrong all the violence is? When their own doctrine tells them that is what they must do–when the time is right. When legions of them were texting joy and cheering. Which is why they need to be out of our jails and into two prison camps. One for ordinary crims and one for sex attackers and Jihadis. Temporary camps in the latter case while deportation arrangements are made.

    In that sense the nutters are counter-productive for the RoP. Waking people up before the leftist instigated demographic takeover is ready.

    The chief obstacle now is Dress-Up May and the BluLabour cuck gang.

    Who are, Theo, SO much less of a rabble than UKIP. Shame they are a well-organised bunch of cuck traitors

  34. Why am I not surprised not to read here obvious parallels between thus guy and Jo Cox’ murderer?

    “Why are they always drawn to Islamic fundamentalism?” people have written here. Well they aren’t; not always. Not here in the UK, certainly not in the U.S. Here sad losers also get drawn to the EDL and Britain First as well as ISIL.

  35. “But let’s, in the absence of a terrorist explanation, ask what drives a 52 year old man to such behaviour…”

    Which is as vacuous as: “But let’s, in the absence of a gravitational explanation, ask what made the book fall to the ground when dropped.”

  36. Circuit failure Tinribs-yet again.”They” are attending indoctrination sessions every Friday. But the cool heads know that –at this stage–Jihadi antics are counter-productive. Propaganda/ shag & breed for the cause/use the cowardly cucks–those are the tactics for long term victory. When your foe is demoralised then is the time for violence. Too early wakes people up.

    Well people are awake. But we are being sold out by the ZaNu/BluLabour cucks at the top. How to get our act together is now the essential question. Otherwise TIS will be correct. Our kid and grandkids will be despised second class citizens in what used to be their country.

  37. Richard Murphy says:
    March 23 2017 at 9:18 am
    Let me assure you, I am just a guy who writes down what he thinks

    We already knew that.

    Did we? Have we seen material evidence of actual thought in the LHTD’s witterings?

  38. Here sad losers also get drawn to the EDL and Britain First as well as ISIL.

    Sad, yes. Losers, well, obviously. Although the EDL have been violent and Britain First back up their very effective social media propaganda with a good bit of unpleasant in-your-face-ness, I’m not aware of any multiple murders being committed by advocates of either.

  39. “When I was at the Treasury I argued for the most open door possible to immigration . . . I think it’s my job to maximise global welfare, not national welfare.”
    Gus O’Donnell (quoted by David Goodhart)

    The rot goes very deep when the former Head of the Civil Service sees his job as maximising global, not UK, welfare.

  40. Rob, according to what I have read 11 people were arrested and 9 have been released. Not great support for the “no smoke without fire” hypothesis. I’ll continue to clutch my pearls and giggle at all these right-thinking libertarians demanding an expansion of the paranoid security state without much evidence to support them. Check under your bed Mr Ecks, who knows who is lurking there

  41. @Bloke in Wiltshire

    March 26, 2017 at 11:53 am
    Diogenes,

    Maybe. But why aren’t these people picking out verses from the old testament? Plenty of stuff in there to pick from. Why’s it always Islam?

    An interesting point. I could point out that this technique has been used before to blacken religions but it fell out of fashion after Hitler and Stalin. One problem is making a case that reading or hearing a Holy Book led to a certain course of action. It might influence mentally ill people but that is not really sufficient. After all, atheists were in favour of eugenics and socialism.

  42. “And over in Islington- Corbyn says we need to revamp our terror laws and policies, broadening them out from focusing on Islamic extremism.”

    Why? The government isn’t watching 3000 Quakers ffs.

  43. Theo–O’Donnell is and always was crawling scum.

    Confiscating his pension–esp as he has been retired for…10 years I think–would be a real joy.

    Diog–There are religions who are looking at least to the spiritual. And there are others–socialism springs to mind–that are do-it-yourself theft and murderous tyranny franchises.

    “By their fruits ye shall know them” is apt.

  44. Corbo–now that leftist hate is mainstream– wants (as does Dress-Up) to focus state power on those agin’ the Globo agenda.

    IE The likes of Us. With a few sub-par cuck exceptions.

  45. @Witchie,

    “Odd, isn’t it, that being half black makes you identify with the black parent rather than the white one.”

    There’s a very simple reason for that. Because, growing up in England at that time, to everyone else, he would have been a nig-nog.

    What his actual parentage was would have been totally irrelevant. He was a nig-nog.

    I can assure you of that (while in no way defending his terrible crimes), because I speak from intensely personal experience. Growing up in England at roughly the same time, likewise of mixed parentage, I was of couse a “Paki”. There was no white there to everyone else – not one drop of blood. The white bit didn’t count to a society looking for outcasts, differents, people to hate – not for me – not for him. Being actually white didn’t even work for the couple of lily-white Jewish friends I had either.

    Obama, Berry, etc, are defined as white by people who want to pretend that those people did not grow up experiencing the racism that they deny they or their parents subjected millions of mixed-race people to. People who want to pretend that their identity is falesly self-defined as “black”, rather than defined by almost every single member of the society they grew up in. Obama is a prize cunt but if he wishes to self-identify as black because that is how he was treated most of his life, that’s his business.

    So yah, there is/was absolutely a humungous society problem there that explains things about today. Something that you, being white, will have absolutely no fucking clue about (except having been unwittingly party to creation of that problem), and will likely deny my account because it doesn’t fit with your static world-view.

  46. Rob, according to what I have read 11 people were arrested and 9 have been released

    So why arrest eleven people around the country for a lone mentalist? It makes no sense unless you believe these arrests were unconnected. Perhaps arrests of people who refused to Tweet “This has nothing to do with Islam”?

    Again, the obvious and unanswered question: why would police make eleven arrests over someone who they claim “acted alone” and was mentally ill?

  47. Ironman, you fucking twat; rack me up the casualties – Europe-wide or UK-only take your pick – so we can compare Muslim nutters vs far-right nutters.

    Let’s see what the score is. Let’s see what we need to be worried about.

  48. “There’s a very simple reason for that. Because, growing up in England at that time, to everyone else, he would have been a nig-nog.”

    So everybody in England would have characterised him as a nig-nog. Is that what you are saying Biggie? Everybody would have been shouting “Nig-Nog” down the street after him? Teachers, doctors, Vicars, the man on the Omnibus. Nig-nog, Nig-nog, Nig-nog.

    Or do you mean other kids? Cos everybody knows only white kids have any sort of cruelty in them. Innit Kuffir?

    “What his actual parentage was would have been totally irrelevant. He was a nig-nog.”

    Again prime mind-reading.

    “I can assure you of that (while in no way defending his terrible crimes), because I speak from intensely personal experience”

    So kids were cruel to you. That’s a shame but then kids are cruel to lots of people I witnessed the cool kids in class make life a misery for a child with a big blue birthmark on his face. Of course that sort of thing never happens in any other country save nasty old England.

    “Growing up in England at roughly the same time, likewise of mixed parentage, I was of couse a “Paki”. There was no white there to everyone else – not one drop of blood.”

    So you were an outsider and suffered for it. You and lots of others–myself included. Whether its race or being younger and more naïve than the others. For many years I kept and updated a short list of my fellow school attendees whom I intended to visit vengeance upon at some point. My point of view changed over the years. There are however still a couple of names who would have reason to worry if I was ever told I had a short time to live. So what.

    ” The white bit didn’t count to a society looking for outcasts, differents, people to hate – not for me – not for him.”

    All fucking societies have it in for the above. You think you are something special? That’s what tribal means. And–despite your middle class fantasy–there is no getting rid of it.

    “Being actually white didn’t even work for the couple of lily-white Jewish friends I had either. ”

    So you moved to and make your home in a nation that proved itself SO much better than nasty old England by wiping out millions of Jews. And nor is leftist brainwashing and cuck self-hatred much of an improvement.

    “Obama, Berry, etc, are defined as white by people who want to pretend that those people did not grow up experiencing the racism that they deny they or their parents subjected millions of mixed-race people to.”

    Who exactly are these millions Biggie. Because Islam has treated blacks so very much better than whites have. Haven’t they?

    The Chinese haven’t had a lot of contact with blacks but that didn’t stop recent crowds of Chinese attempting to beat the brains in of blacks they found hanging around their women. And the Japanese don’t let blacks settle in the first place.

    Yeah these fucking wicked English people.

    “People who want to pretend that their identity is falesly self-defined as “black”, rather than defined by almost every single member of the society they grew up in.”

    You can be whatever you ultimately make yourself. “Every “member of society is a ridiculous statement. Every member of English society called you a “nig nog”? Collective guilt? Marxist cockrot.

    ” Obama is a prize cunt but if he wishes to self-identify as black because that is how he was treated most of his life, that’s his business. ”

    Being treated as black in Kenya can’t have been that bad. Esp post colonial. Unless he went to an ex-pats club to get his daily ration of “nig nog” verbalisations.

    “So yah, there is/was absolutely a humungous society problem there that explains things about today.”#

    Er….no. No other society in the world would have absorbed what the West has absorbed. “Paki’s” in Kashmir get their eyes put out with bicycle spokes by the locals and vice versa for other ethnic groups. How many of your teeth did your “tormenters” knock out Biggie?

    “Something that you, being white,”

    Wrong again–colour etc is far from the only reason to be on the outs. Marxist bullshit has bigged it up into ultimate evil but it isn’t.

    ” will have absolutely no fucking clue about (except having been unwittingly party to creation of that problem),”

    Again–poor old you . Cos we privilege-laden whites sail thro life with just no problems at all.

    “and will likely deny my account because it doesn’t fit with your static world-view.”

    Not denying your account Biggie other than your “everybody is agin you” fantasy. It is a shame but had not lots of bigoted, biased Englishmen given their lives to defeat the former regime of your adopted home you would likely never have been born in the first place.

  49. Regarding midsommer murders have you seen it lately, happened to see bits of an episode my wife was watching and the midsommer villages appear to have the ethnic makeup of London these days

  50. “So why arrest eleven people around the country for a lone mentalist? It makes no sense unless you believe these arrests were unconnected. Perhaps arrests of people who refused to Tweet “This has nothing to do with Islam”?

    Again, the obvious and unanswered question: why would police make eleven arrests over someone who they claim “acted alone” and was mentally ill?”

    The 24 hours news-cycle has to be fed otherwise they might start asking difficult questions. Rounding up the usual suspect has been plods preferred method for quite some time.

  51. The blame lies, ultimately, with the political left. The most peaceful state of affairs globally involves ethnic self rule with respect for the autonomy of other peoples. European governments have violated the concept of ethnic self rule via multiculturalism leading to migrant enclaves. Whilst revolutionary Islamists clearly fail to respect the autonomy of other peoples.

  52. “When I was at the Treasury I argued for the most open door possible to immigration . . . I think it’s my job to maximise global welfare, not national welfare.”
    Gus O’Donnell (quoted by David Goodhart)

    What the **** was the Civil Service doing arguing political positions, and who on earth operates immigration as a form of welfare? England is already the most crowded country in Europe before we let in the entire world population earning less than the UK minimum wage.

  53. @Fecks,

    You’ll notice I have pulled the race card for the first time in some 5 years of commenting here – on a specific point raised about self-identity. Your knee-jerck spittle-flecked fisking had fuck all to do with my point, or Witchie’s point for that matter.

    Race is something I to this day care not one shit about and have, other than the background occasional anti-other prejudice, that I have watched fade from “not very important” to “almost nonexistent” during my life, not been noticeably disadvantaged by. I’ve been called shit (as everyone has) and punched (as everyone has) for it – all a very long time ago and something I literally haven’t thought about in at least a decade, until you bring it up.

    It is however something that was constantly noticeable to minorities growing up in England (and other places) at that time, in a way it is not today noticeable in England. England is probably the most colourblind country on earth, and Englishmen should be extremely proud of that fact. I have no doubt blacks in Japan got it (and maybe still do) as well – it’s nothing special about or peculiar to England.

    You just need to be aware of the fact that, back then, minorities were daily made aware of the fact of their minority. A mirror image, no more, of the majority being daily aware of the presence of dem nig-nogs, pakis, etc. In a way most people no longer notice. We have moved on. Except you haven’t. If you can’t accept that other people have experiences that are not fake simply because they clash with your world view, you are frankly in no position to discuss anything.

  54. FWIW. Early 1970s, scouts. Some of the boys name calling the only black kid in the troop ‘Nig Nog’ and him getting very upset about it. Chased him round the park singing to him. I didn’t join in, I knew it was wrong of them and that they should stop and I felt bad for the boy. But I didn’t intervene, as I knew I ought to.

    Still feel guilty about that.

    Sorry Kwame.

  55. You seem somewhat confused Biggie.

    It isn’t wicked English people of today you are blaming–you who doesn’t give a fig for race–but those wicked English people of the past. Who –if they were kids at the same time you were will still be very much alive. But have been miraculously converted–you say- to multi-culti bliss. Or are you saying it was the adults of that era who were bad-mouthing you. As the English are obviously famed as a people whose adults routinely bad mouth ethnic kids to their face for the fun of it.

    You frame your orig post as some sort of personal reference to your past and then say you never thought of the past until I brought it up?

    I also never said your experience was “fake” whatever you mean by that overused word. Simply that your experience were no worse than loads of others and that race is no better or worse as grounds for being disliked than any other. Such dislike is common around the planet. Which you agree with above.

    So what was your point? Nasty English white folks from the 70s are responsible for Jihadi killers? Odd when most of the killers have never been in the UK and lots of them weren’t even alive in the 1970s. And many are recent imports from RoP zones.

  56. Well, as I’ve been asked for examples of non-Islamist mass murder ( in Europe specifically, Timothy McVey and the KKK lynching are counted out), how about the gas chbees. They were European, definitely ethnically motivated, definitely attracted the odd loser.
    So yes, we have a problem with Islamo- fascism. We have multiple murders being committed. We have had those outrages organised and coordinated. But what we have here is different to that. What we have here is the mirror of the Jo Cox murder. And, just as I was sick of being told that murder was my fault and the fault of all.Leave campaigners, so I.am disgusted by the creeps.on this blog drawing the se widespread conclusion that sono it raged them when the boot was kn the other foot.

    For Polly Toynbee last summer we can now read Mr Ecks, Surreptitious Evil and their like.

  57. @Ecks,

    You seem not to understand that I’m not blaming anyone for anything. I’m explaining to Witchie why someone of mixed parentage may identify more with the minority parent. Far from it being them making a point about race, it’s that much of the rest of society simply won’t accept the idea that they are “white”.

    In fact, come to think of it, this still goes on. It is a conversation I have with taxi drivers (yes indeed – mostly ethnics) in both England and Germany several times a year:
    “Where are you from?”
    “England”
    “But you’re not originally from England”
    “Yes, I was born and brought up in X”.
    “But you’re not really English, come on!”
    “Yes I am!”
    “You don’t look English”
    (cabbie bores on ad infinitum).

    It’s not a conversation I care for, but ultimatley it’s just innocent questioning from someone of limited worldview who can’t conceive of someone else having broader horizons and a more interesting backstory than they have.

    It’s far more innocent and less harmful than the playground racism of yesteryear, but it springs from the same source: of ignorance, lack of imagination, and our (probably genetically hardwired) compulsion to categorise people as quickly as possible.

    So, no blaming anyone. You might agree or disagree with the explanation, but there’s no need to go off on a big rant as if white males like yourself are the oppressed ones that need to constantly make a point about how oppressed white males are in response to something you consider a personal attack because it’s a viewpoint that is not lockstep with yours.

  58. Rob – “Again, the obvious and unanswered question: why would police make eleven arrests over someone who they claim “acted alone” and was mentally ill?”

    It is security theatre. They can’t and won’t do anything. But they will round up some obvious suspects, play with them for a little while and then release them.

    It makes us feel secure or something. It is interesting how “rounding up the usual suspects” has gone from a punch line to government policy in two generations.

  59. Ironman – “We have had those outrages organised and coordinated. But what we have here is different to that. What we have here is the mirror of the Jo Cox murder.”

    Sorry but no we do not. As you show yourself. This is organised and coordinated. Maybe not so organised but this murder is part of a wider political campaign. Cox was killed by someone who was marginally functional. He had no one supporting him. He was not part of a wider political movement.

    Bloke in Germany – “It’s not a conversation I care for, but ultimatley it’s just innocent questioning from someone of limited worldview who can’t conceive of someone else having broader horizons and a more interesting backstory than they have.”

    No it isn’t. It is a fact that the definition of “English” has revolved around race. It still does to a large extent. That cabbie is asking a reasonable question – what is your ultimate non-British background. He may not do it in the politically correct way you like, but the reality is that race, not necessary racism, has shaped ethnic identity.

  60. I have two nephews who are half Japanese/Chinese. In China they don’t look “proper Chinese”, in Japan they don’t look “proper Japanese”. Luckily, they are native HongKongers where most people just don’t give a **** as long as you are a HongKonger.

  61. Bloke in Italy – “Without all this radical Islam shit this deeply unpleasant dangerous individual would have continued to be a serious nuisance but probably not a multiple murderer.”

    Yeah. That’s kind of the point innit? Who cares if he is a serious nuisance? We care if he is a mass murderer.

    “The IRA were a more serious threat to life and limb for instance.”

    No they were not. They may have killed more but they were trying to avoid killing people. The Islamists are not. They are just not as competent and perhaps, for now, there are not many of them willing to die.

    “Don’t panic; in 100 years England will still exist unless we decide to turn it into 1984 in the mean while.”

    It will not even take 20 years for the British to be a minority in their own homeland. Even now something like a third of primary school children come from non-English speaking backgrounds. England won’t exist in 100 years time. It is already too late. Maybe civilisation will survive in New Zealand. Maybe the name will continue and Al-Inglistan will commemorate the people who were here like Andalucia. But England will have long since ceased to exist.

    Ironman – “Why am I not surprised not to read here obvious parallels between thus guy and Jo Cox’ murderer?”

    Because you know we do not excuse mass murder like the Leftist you associate with?

    Sad losers also get drawn to stamp collecting, watching trains and the Catholic Church. The problem is when they get together and start killing. When stamp collectors do that I am sure some people here will be unhappy about stamp collecting.

  62. jgh – “Luckily, they are native HongKongers where most people just don’t give a **** as long as you are a HongKonger.”

    I used to work with a girl who was Hong Kong born-and-bred. Only her mother was from India. So she did not look like other people from Hong Kong. Despite her fluent Cantonese, which virtually no one else is capable of learning, she said she was constantly asked “But where are you *really* from?”

    Racism according to Biggie.

  63. Rob, I think you have it the wrong way round. The police assumed a jihadi link and arrested 11 people. After questioning, they have to accept that there seems to be no link and so released them. Plus there is the element of theatre : the tough police force striking hard at the roots of terrorism

  64. Tinribs–One nutter kills Jo Cox.

    Meanwhile almost daily Jihadi crimes in Germany Austria plus the “icing” on the cake of daily sexual atrocities. Women raped, kids and frail old men sodomised, family of 9 Iraqi-imported males goes out together–not to the pub as natives might-but as a rape gang, etc,etc. The list goes on and on. 20 Jihadi attacks in France in two years. 1500 acid splashings in London since 2011. Some RoP charity program rep says it is “probably” 80% male victims. Even if true it hardly makes it alright. No ethnic breakdown of the perps but I won’t lose my money by betting it isn’t English people.

    Come back with your SJW waycist whinging when the EDL etc have a similar score.

  65. “You might agree or disagree with the explanation, but there’s no need to go off on a big rant as if white males like yourself are the oppressed ones that need to constantly make a point about how oppressed white males are in response to something you consider a personal attack”

    I don’t give a rat’s arse for Marxian victimology full stop. I just didn’t care for the poor-me-being-called-a-paki-by -wicked-white-KIDS sob story as if that is the only or the worst horror that afflicts human beings. Or any sort of excuse for Jihadi trash. All the poor me’s who have been murdered by socialism and its fellow death-cults top it millions of times.

    As for not being accepted as British the same taxi conversation would take place with a white face and a foreign accent. No white South African say with a strong accent would be accepted as British at face value. Because you don’t acquire a SA accent in the UK.

    No migrant of ANY ethnic origin should be granted full citizenship including voting rights for 100 years.

  66. BiG:“You just need to be aware of the fact that, back then, minorities were daily made aware of the fact of their minority.”

    How times have changed. Now, they do that for us.

  67. SMFS: “Cox was killed by someone who was marginally functional. He had no one supporting him. He was not part of a wider political movement.”

    Another thing he didn’t have – people on the Left saying ‘This is nothing to do with the alt-right or Brexiteers, this is a lone nutter, and we must try to understand why he felt that way…’

  68. BiG – this isn’t the first time you’ve mentioned your heritage. Not that it matters to me at all, I’m just correcting that part of one of your comments above.

  69. @JuliaM

    Not to disagree with your overall point, but he did have some support: he lived in a council house – it’s where he kept his socialist memorabilia.

  70. @ Interested – Thanks for that. I was thinking that I already knew that about BiG and decided that I must have inferred it from reading his oeuvre or was embroidering my perception.

  71. If childish name-calling leads to jihad, why haven’t hordes of gingers wiped out the beautiful people yet?

  72. @Dr Cromarty, where are your standards of evidence for this guess? The guy lived in Luton so he was connected with a plot, although he was cleared at the time.

  73. Another arrest in connection with the completely unconnected mad lone wolf. It’s a complete mystery what his motives were. Looks like the cops are arresting people for a laugh and to show how tough they are.

    Nothing to see here! Except it is “security theatre” so we want you to see it, er, look over there!

  74. Odd how all the people who detest the Big State seem unable to see how the authorities are using this as an attempt to extend their powers, eg Rudd’s attempt to decrypt WhatsApp

  75. BiW,

    They’re too busy having really hot sex. My sample size is very small, but the evidence supports the hypothesis.

  76. Before we know it, councils will demand unencryption to check if mum and dad are using WhatsApp to say goodnight to the kids who are pretending to stay at granny’s house which happens to be in the catchment of their preferred school.

  77. I can’t speak for anyone else but let’s say that this lunatic had been receiving help, information and encouragement via the Royal Mail – I would have no problem in the police opening unopened letters, say, or if possible intercepting letters on their way to his compadres. In fact, I think I would be demanding they did this. I don’t personally see any distinction between that and trying to read his WhatsApp messages, or his emails, or listening to voicemails et cetera – after the fact.

    I would be very much against the police and security service trawling through the mail, people’s phone calls, and indeed WhatsApp messages on a fishing expedition – but that is quite different.

    (I do understand the thin end of the wedge argument that some people here might advance; I just disagree with it.)

  78. @Interested

    Chap formerly of MI5 on R4 this morning made the point that as soon as the authorities have access to encrypted comma they’ll start using a code or a cypher like a one time pad to communicate.

    It’s just not possible to stop comms.

    Now- I don’t have much of a problem with focussed decryption after the event- for evidence gathering for trial, etc, but I suspect that all attempts to get inside the loop on this kind of thing are ultimately fruitless.

  79. I can imagine things could get quite interesting in terms of the US Germany relationship if US hating anti-capitalist Martin Schulz wins the election

  80. Interested – “I don’t personally see any distinction between that and trying to read his WhatsApp messages, or his emails, or listening to voicemails et cetera – after the fact.”

    I don’t give a damn about meta-data or even WhatsApp messages. But that misses the point. There is no reason to think that this man used secret WhatsApp messages. There is no reason to think that any useful information will be forth coming from reading his messages.

    This just more Security Theatre. The Usual Suspects have been arrested. So the Usually Silicon Valley Suspects now have to be flogged. The unwashed masses demand action but the government has nothing. They can’t arrest anyone, they can’t prevent future attacks. All they can do is distract the masses with the illusion of doing something.

  81. If the government get WhatsApp to give them access to messages then won’t criminals just use a different messaging service? Wechat for example for sure the Chinese government have access to but are they going to monitor messages for the U.K. Intelligence services?

  82. Interested

    As you rightly point out, intercepting / steaming open Royal Mail would have had to have been carried out in real time, one can’t do it after the event. And we very clearly don’t want all mail being opened in real time.

    The problem applying the “let’s look back” principle to WhatsApp is the technology. WhatsApp (end to end encryption) is simply a big brand of something that can be set up by anyone and in any jurisdiction.

    If one is determined, there are a myriad of ways in which one can safely communicate electronically (or otherwise).

    Hence, “in advance of the event”, the answer is surely not mass surveillance but highly targeted surveillance. Being able to make the potentially interesting haystacks as “small” as possible makes it much easier to identify and intercept needles?

  83. @Interested, TMB,

    It’s our host, not myself, that’s mentioned it previously (and quite recently). I don’t think I have but I can’t be 100% sure. I’ll happily stand corrected if I am wrong. Have fun spending weeks trawling the back catalog of comments.

    I don’t see the point of continuing a conversation with people who are unable to distinguish a tangential comment on a tangential comment about how different people experienced the world 30 and more years ago, from leftist ZaNuBluLab Femminazi cuck CM coward scum traitor brainwashing.

  84. What I want to know is how they know he sent a Whatsapp message but can’t access the content.

    And certainly why this needs additional powers. If Whatsapp have evidence then a court order is surely enough to get them to hand it over. No additional executive power is necessary.

    And surely the world’s greatest evil masterminds are using stuff even more secure than Whatsapp.

  85. BiG

    Interested is right – no need to trawl – I recall that coming directly from you previously. Though, as others say, not that it’s important at all.

  86. I’m sure that children pick on other children all the time, including for racial reasons, but also including height or lack of it, fatness, skinniness, accent (if the child moved to somewhere else), being Geordie, Mackem, (mean) Scot, Welsh sheepshagger, Yokel, Cockney, posh, common, gyppo, pikey, Paddy, Mick, Scummer, and no doubt other local nicknames,.Add in nationalities: Kraut, Frog, Dago, Wog, Eyetie, Spick, Yank (including the hard to guess ones like Septic) plus sexual things such as prick, cocksucker, cnut, pussy, titty, wanker bastard, queer, and Gay. And that’s before you get to the racial overtones – which also include Whitey and Cracker.

    In my experience, you can tell the difference between just a name and real vituperation, as the latter comes with being beaten up, raped,having acid thrown in your face, being scratched or hair pulled, having ones’ clothes ripped or, in extreme cases, being murdered. On a lesser scale, being prefixed by ‘fucking’ is usually a helpful hint, but not always, as in if an Australian says it.

    Perhaps one needs to be reminded that ‘Sticks and stones (and bombs, knives, bullets and 4x4s) may break my bones, but names can never hurt me’.

  87. how about the gas chbees.

    Well, at the time the gas chambers were operating, the U.K. was at war with Nazi Germany.

    And I’m not aware of any EDL or BNP members who participated. I’m not even aware of any BUF involvement. Even the tiny SS “British Free Corps” were pointed (ineptly) towards combat on the Eastern Front.

  88. And surely the world’s greatest evil masterminds are using stuff even more secure than Whatsapp.

    They probably are. But the world’s greatest evil masterminds aren’t overly involved in Islamist terrorism.

  89. Diogenes
    March 27, 2017 at 10:12 am

    Odd how all the people who detest the Big State seem unable to see how the authorities are using this as an attempt to extend their powers, eg Rudd’s attempt to decrypt WhatsApp

    Funnily enough, when I saw that headline it was the first thing I thought.

    So I think you are wrong on the first bit, but absolutely right about the second.

    Typical public sector, really. Create or feed a problem, then insist on more powers/money to fix the problem.

  90. BiG: Have fun spending weeks trawling the back catalog of comments.

    Why mark yourself out as ‘other’ by not writing “catalogue”?

  91. All of the people commenting here recently seem to be entirely missing the point of this blog.

    Which is that Murphy’s blog once again shows what an insufferable fat cvnt he is.

  92. @BiG – no, it was you. But I don’t care, and I absolutely believe you suffered shit because of your background as a kid – and (FWIW) I would never have engaged in it. The colour of someone’s skin meant zero to me growing up (and I think that was true for many kids).

  93. @SFMS

    ‘There is no reason to think that this man used secret WhatsApp messages. There is no reason to think that any useful information will be forth coming from reading his messages.’

    What there is no reason to think is that you have any inside track on this investigation.

    @BiG

    ‘What I want to know is how they know he sent a Whatsapp message but can’t access the content.

    And certainly why this needs additional powers. If Whatsapp have evidence then a court order is surely enough to get them to hand it over. No additional executive power is necessary.’

    Isn’t it the case (I’m no expert) that WhatsApp themselves don’t have access to the messages? I believe they are held on the relevant handsets and you can only access them there (unless you’re on certain older phones). I believe WhatsApp is pretty secure and it’s not clear to me that they could help the cops if they could. But I think they should if they can.

  94. Interested

    Isn’t it the case (I’m no expert) that WhatsApp themselves don’t have access to the messages? I believe they are held on the relevant handsets and you can only access them there (unless you’re on certain older phones). I believe WhatsApp is pretty secure and it’s not clear to me that they could help the cops if they could.

    My understanding (re WhatsApp) is that they can provide metadata – and do if specifically warranted / asked – but not content, which they can’t (as it’s encrypted end to end)?

    As we know, metadata is often plenty in a context like that.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/03/27/whatsapps-encryption-keeps-us-safe-attacking-wrong/

  95. Interested – “What there is no reason to think is that you have any inside track on this investigation.”

    Nor am I claiming any. But anyone can look at the context and the progress of this investigation. They have arrested his phone book, but had to let them go because there was no evidence. No terrorist has used WhatsApp before. In fact social media is not prominent among Islamists. He does not seem to have got any help – he didn’t use a suicide bomb – and that suggests no communication.

    And the government has form. Besides, I expect that GCHQ can read his messages if they want.

  96. @PF – yes, re metadata. That’s my understanding re content, too. I haven’t followed it very closely, but I think Rudd believes that WhatsApp has a secret backdoor. Whether this is true or not, who knows.

    @SMFS

    ‘Interested – “What there is no reason to think is that you have any inside track on this investigation.”

    Nor am I claiming any.’

    You seemed to be (‘There is no reason to think etc’.) If you have no inside track, what can you possibly know about what the cops have reason to think?

    ‘No terrorist has used WhatsApp before.’

    Not true.

    ‘In fact social media is not prominent among Islamists.’

    Also not true.

    ‘He does not seem to have got any help – he didn’t use a suicide bomb – and that suggests no communication.’

    Eh?

    ‘And the government has form.’

    Agreed. But I do still want the cops etc to be able to read the comms of homicidal maniacs, albeit after the event. (TBF, I would be quite happy with them reading them before the event, too, as long as they have reasomnable suspiciopn which goes before a judge).

    ‘Besides, I expect that GCHQ can read his messages if they want.’

    They can’t.

  97. “in which, I stress, he’s always reported to have lived.”

    ARGH!

    “in which, I stress, he’s reported always to have lived.”

    ftfy.

    *Breathes more easily*

  98. @SMFS: The IRA were trying not to kill people?

    Srsly?

    Well all I can say is that they weren’t trying very hard.

  99. Special Estate-Agent Ecks

    You are a fucking spastic. There’s no other way of arguing against you. Your mother is spinning under your patio.

  100. I’m all for free speech, but there are certain terms I never use as they refer to people with no control over their condition. One such is spastic, another is retard. People who use such terms speak volumes about themselves and little about the subject of their abuse.

  101. How do they know he used WhatsApp?

    His mobile phone service will have provided (following suitable authorisation) a list of all the numbers he called/called him and a list of all the web sites he visited (using mobile data – if he used a third party WiFi network, they wouldn’t know, but that could probably be retrieved from the phone).

    If you’re interested in how lawful intercept works, it’s a public standard, documented here:
    http://www.etsi.org/technologies-clusters/technologies/lawful-interception

    If the authorities have the phone, they can access all his WhatsApp messages anyway (even, to a fair extent, after they’ve been deleted), unless he was using some really heavy duty whole phone encryption system, which is incredibly unlikely.

  102. I’m with Bravefart here. Can we stop arguing among ourselves and get back to the topic, which is the cvnt known as the murphatollah?

    Else we are going to end up like the bickering guards in some comedy film who suddenly notice that the prisoner has escaped.

  103. DocBud

    People who use such terms speak volumes about themselves

    Poor stalker maiec does seem to have one hell of an obsession.

    One cannot criticise your standards; however, are words like scally, idiot or imbecile any different, in terms of the broad principle applied?

    Though always “of others” rather than talking “to people” – for example when describing the idiocies of our political class – I’ll be the first to confess that I personally can find the use of various unpleasantries quite therapeutic.

  104. “Special Estate-Agent Ecks

    You are a fucking spastic. There’s no other way of arguing against you. Your mother is spinning under your patio.”

    Given up with Meiac Stalky? Having trouble spelling it?

    Grown-ups are talking . Go sit in the corner and listen to your George Michael records.

    Biggie–If you don’t want to continue OK.

    But I really can’t see that you were clear about what you were driving at in your initial post. So your point was not “racism” but that the English wouldn’t accept as English–because you were not white in colour and they also applied various nasty racial labels to you. Which is implied in what you wrote if not directly stated. Forgive my lack of nuance but how is that not a racial complaint? Or are you saying that the English should not be nationalistic on racial or any other lines?

    As I pointed out their are lots of reasons to be excluded in all times and places. The England of the 1970s was hardly unique or anything like as bad as the worst that has happened. Do you think– had you been white– you would have been accepted by say Chinese children in China?

  105. “Spastic”, unfortunately, is a fabulous word. As is “Spaz”.

    Our rulers could change its meaning by law (to something akin to stupid rubbish or similar), and add to the sum of human happiness, and the English language.

    As per DocBud, it’s currently offensive and grossly unfair, so verbotten.

  106. In fairness to Meiac or whatever he seems to be an individual of little intelligence or vocabulary. When he appears on this thread he has nothing to say about any of the topics that have produced 100+ posts but rushes to slag me. Something about my posts remind him of someone who has fucked him over –right royally given the venom he tries to display. Whoever it is may have passed beyond reach by reason of time or death or maybe Meiac doesn’t have the balls to front his real tormenter so he appears on here.

    What can you say to being hated as a proxy for another person?

    Like the song says:

    “But I’m a substitute for another guy
    I look pretty tall but my heels are high
    The simple things you see are all complicated
    I look pretty young, but I’m just back-dated, yeah”

  107. “It’s our host, not myself, that’s mentioned it previously (and quite recently). I don’t think I have but I can’t be 100% sure. I’ll happily stand corrected if I am wrong. ”

    My recollection is that BiG is right about this. And I’ve been here for, er, 8 years, originally under a different moniker.

  108. unless he was using some really heavy duty whole phone encryption system, which is incredibly unlikely.

    Actually, the standard encryption for modern mobile devices, both iOS and Android, is enabled by default and will easily resist brute force attacks against the keys.

    They are likely to get more traction attacking his password or phrase or conducting a physical attack on the authentication system.

  109. Whatever the merits of various communication systems the Jihadis will still be able to communicate with each other. The dimmest ones will get caught, the craftier ones wont.

    The state caused this problem and now wants a police state to resolve it. The solution has been mentioned before on the blog but I forget by who.

    All protection must be withdrawn from Ministers, politicians, has-beens ( eg Bliar/Broon/Camoron etc) MPs and the Senior Civil Service and upper ranks of the police. They caused this mess and putting them and their families on the front line will concentrate their minds on real solutions–not police-state ones–marvellously.

  110. Interested

    “The colour of someone’s skin meant zero to me growing up (and I think that was true for many kids).”

    Possibly. Being crudely tribal, children (goats have kids!) delight in defining an ‘out’ group. My ginger cousin suffered appallingly at school. I was teased mercilessly for having big ears. Yet the Saudi prince in the same class received little teasing, apart from the occasional ‘sambo’. Which was worse? Physical teasing or racial teasing? PC would say racial; I’d say physical. Sambo was part of the ‘in’ group; I wasn’t. Should I have counselling? Safe spaces for all?

  111. Sorry, Interested, I was broadly agreeing with you. My point was children (please not ‘kids’) pick on all sorts of people.

  112. Theo

    My recollection is that BiG is right about this. And I’ve been here for, er, 8 years, originally under a different moniker.

    Logically, none of us on here can assert that, as we might personally have missed it..:)

    It’s not important but, if we are simply talking about the race bit etc, I know myself, from one earlier exchange with BiG, when in a conversation about the RoP he said amongst other things “words to the effect” that he was an apostate Muslim of darker coloured skin (though don’t recall Pakistan) in Germany (formerly UK), the image of which (as for anyone) inevitably sticks? Assuming I recall correctly.

  113. PF – you are quite right and have a far better memory than I do. My apologies to various people, second time I’ve mentioned it, not first. But as everyone has said, it is not important.

    PF and Fecks – Paki is a broad insult used ignorantly by ignorant people. While it happens to be an astonishingly accurate description of part of my background, it was, in bygone days of yore, applied wantonly to anyone of “south Asian” appearance.

    I’ve also been accused of being Turkish, FWIW, and Iranian shopkeepers are convinced I am Persian. I’ve been dragged into polling booths in parts of Hong Kong tourists don’t go to by campaigners assuming I live there. But try convincing a white Brit (or even a more recent subcontinental immigrant) that a third-generation British Paki is British, and the barrier can be quite high. In a way it is not tough for gingers. Is it a racial complaint? Of sorts. But as all de white man here say – it’s not important.

  114. I remember being shocked by Richie Benaud’s (innocent) use of “Pakis” during a cricket commentary.

    Paki-bashing was real, and really did apply to all Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis and possibly more.

    My own daughter once asked why Pakis all had those dots on their foreheads.

  115. PF

    “Logically, none of us on here can assert that, as we might personally have missed it..:)”

    You are right; and I was wrong.

    PS “Logically”: logic tells us nothing about the world: logic is the science of the purely formal relationships between propositions and concepts. This, however, is an empirical matter. Which Is why, of course, I said that “my recollection” was…etc.

  116. Theo

    Yes, yes, you are quite right of course, I glossed over “recollection”…

    Have a badge – one of Polly’s finest..;)

  117. Actually, the standard encryption for modern mobile devices, both iOS and Android, is enabled by default and will easily resist brute force attacks against the keys.

    That would be a problem for me, but not for GCHQ. Government departments that are serious about security don’t permit the use of standard Android or iOS phones for handling secret information, for this very reason.

  118. SE / CM

    That would be a problem for me, but not for GCHQ.

    Chris / the IT chaps on here will understand this better than I do, but one of the issues being that the commercial Android / iOS operating systems are not the base level operating systems on these phones.

    Ie, the underlying radio / cell (tower) communication based OS is more easily intercepted / monitored (it wasn’t designed with security in mind). Hence, phones can be targeted, if a specific effort is being made?

  119. @BIG

    I think you’ve mentioned it a couple of times, FWIW.

    At least once in connection with religious labels based on background/childhood.

    And at least once in connection with opera subsidies, of all things.

    Either or both may well have been under your previous nom de guerre.

    All these little fragments we drop in casual conversation in our supposedly anonymous comments sections – where we grew up, family backgrounds, first jobs, alma maters and schools, current industry, hobbies, haunting grounds, social organisations …if anybody with a peculiar grudge (and there are some peculiar folks out there who have access to the internet) did trawl through every comment I’ve ever made under this moniker, it would be fairly straightforward both to unearth my name and my business, and with that comes my address, phone number etc.

    Much respect to Tim N incidentally, for not having any truck with all this online anonymity guff. Can’t believe how much stuff he is willing to put his name to, particularly given how much he writes about the industry he’s in!

  120. Interested – “I haven’t followed it very closely, but I think Rudd believes that WhatsApp has a secret backdoor. Whether this is true or not, who knows.”

    I would assume they all have a back door. If only because the sort of idiots who use social media are the sort of idiots who forget their passwords and need to ring people up to get back in.

    “You seemed to be (‘There is no reason to think etc’.) If you have no inside track, what can you possibly know about what the cops have reason to think?”

    Seemed being the word. It is not a question of what the police think. It is a question of what Amber Rudd is saying. Those are two different things.

    I may be wrong. He may have used Tinder for all I know. But it is, I think, unlikely. Either way, we will see. At the moment they are still in the “pretending to do something stage” and have yet to calm down enough to do anything useful.

    “But I do still want the cops etc to be able to read the comms of homicidal maniacs, albeit after the event.”

    If they have his phone they will be able to. They have a long list of suspects and they do not have the manpower to keep an eye on more than a fraction of them. Allowing them to read all of our social media is not going to help. They will be even more over-stretched. Although it will make revenge and stalking much easier if you work for the government. This is a pointless suggestion. It won’t help. He was “on their radar”. He had been questioned before. He was yet another Known Wolf. What do you think would have helped? If he had composed a suicide note the night before and someone happened to read it? Suppose they were reading every single message he ever sent. Religiously. How would that have helped?

    “They can’t.”

    How do you know?

    Andrew Duffin – “Well all I can say is that they weren’t trying very hard.”

    Three thousand deaths in thirty years? They could do that in a single day if they were trying.

  121. Bloke in Germany – “But try convincing a white Brit (or even a more recent subcontinental immigrant) that a third-generation British Paki is British, and the barrier can be quite high.”

    Says the man who is so British he has moved to another country, which he openly states he prefers and has taken up citizenship of, and does not want to come back. The man who wants to destroy the British he grew up in through immigration and membership of the EU.

    Right bast@rds those White people aren’t they?

    “I’ve also been accused of being Turkish, FWIW, and Iranian shopkeepers are convinced I am Persian. I’ve been dragged into polling booths in parts of Hong Kong tourists don’t go to by campaigners assuming I live there.”

    So basically everyone in the world judges you on the colour of your skin? Some wrongly judge you to be a member of their community and some judge you not to be a member of their community. But only one of those gets any stick.

  122. Probably thousands of people in Britain who think similar to this guy about killing. Some will have mental health issues, some won’t.
    So what caused this guy to take the actions he did and not the other thousands of people? What restrains them? What restrained this guy so long?
    What caused him to act now rather than next week or next month? Opportunity? Or would that opportunity be available every day?

  123. SMFS -Right bast@rds those White people aren’t they?

    Brits of Pakistani origin should be thankful that due to their recent ancestors’ smart move and the tolerance of white Britons, they get to live in one of the most prosperous and safest nations in the world, rather than a corrupt dump in which thousands of people every year fall victim to terrorist attacks.

    Well worth being racially abused every now and then, I’d say.

  124. SMFS,

    With the UK out of the EU and the supply of Europeans reduced, do you think you will be importing more rural, uneducated, religiously fervent Pakistanis, or fewer rural, uneducated, religiously fervent Pakistanis?

  125. “But only one of those gets any stick.”

    Only because you are deseperately looking to get beaten up.

  126. “With the UK out of the EU and the supply of Europeans reduced, do you think you will be importing more rural, uneducated, religiously fervent Pakistanis, or fewer rural, uneducated, religiously fervent Pakistanis?”

    It has been said countless times that Brexit means that we must now battle our own native well-off, middle class, cultural Marxist London Bubble scum.

    It has also been said that we have a far better chance of beating one lot of CM cucks rather than 28 plus the scum of Brussels.

  127. @BiG

    ‘Is it a racial complaint? Of sorts. But as all de white man here say – it’s not important.’

    Given the general usage of pseudonyms, how do you know who is ‘de white man’ and who is not? I have never talked about my own ethnicity or antecedents and I can’t remember many others doing so, either.

  128. @PF

    Without getting unduly technical, there are two different issues: monitoring future communications/movements; and monitoring past communications/movements. GCHQ/NSA are believed to be able to capture a significant portion of all mobile phone communications, because the underlying encryption mechanisms are relatively ‘old’ and therefore weak. This won’t help them if the data communications are encrypted before they go out over the air.

    Your mobile phone provider necessarily maintains records of who you call/calls you and which web sites you visit, in order to provide itemised billing – and these records can be accessed by law enforcement subject to suitable controls (a bit like bank account records). They can also provide ongoing monitoring, including the content of standard voice calls.

  129. That would be a problem for me, but not for GCHQ.

    Nope, it is still a problem for GCHQ. At least, if not a “problem”, in that they know how to solve it and have the kit, significantly time consuming to solve. Where “significantly” means sufficiently long to be of no use in the current anti-terrorist investigation.

    Working off open source stuff, you might wish to consider the US published Suite B / CNSA cryptography requirements (there is a UK equivalent but it is classified):

    * 256 bit AES can be used for TOP SECRET
    * 3072 bit RSA can be use for TOP SECRET

    Both the US and UK agencies prefer you to use their algorithms (and especially their entropy generators for ephemeral keys) but you can do it with open source.

    Current iOS encryption is 256 bit AES for both the overall storage (page 10) and individual applications using the “Data Protection” facility (page 11.)

  130. CM

    Interesting – thanks

    CM / SE

    And clearly from reading both your posts, differences between voice and data.

  131. Special Estate-Agent Ecks

    “It has been said countless times that Brexit means that we must now battle our own native well-off, middle class, cultural Marxist London Bubble scum”

    Battle how and with what? Will you be at the vanguard?

    What will happen then?

    Or are you just another weak, bitter old man with no available sex and no children.

  132. And clearly from reading both your posts, differences between voice and data.

    The Signal app now provides (supposedly) end-to-end secure voice and video across a data channel.

    And they deliberately keep the minimal necessary metadata so there isn’t anything useful that they can provide if they are served with a warrant.

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