Umm

What has interested me are the absurd beliefs of those people celebrating our leaving that television presenters have found to interview. Leaving the likes of Farage aside, what has been apparent is the irrationality of their emotionally based arguments. Of course, I know such interviews are not representative,

What’s not representative Spud?

I thought we had a vote about this?

31 comments on “Umm

  1. I was more impressed with the sheer chutzpah of the LHTD criticising others for “the irrationality of their emotionally based arguments”. Because of course Murph has never whipped up a froth of complaint based on no facts at all, has he?

  2. We need to hear more rational arguments such as wur doomed, doomed I tell ye!, Tiny Tim Farron presenting a note from his Mummy asking for another referendum, Oirish gobshite Bob Geldof spitting at people who work for a living, and the nuanced political analysis of Lily Allen.

  3. Just slightly O/T

    I’m glad I’m leaving a club which apparentely wishes me so much harm.

    I would simply make one goodwill gesture in the face of all the pathetic tough guy posturing from drinker, bookseller (although he has rather dropped out of it fortunately), the Angel and their French executioner (and not because it suits me personally). Brexit is actually against my current immediate interests.

    Unilaterally give residence protection to all EU citizens currently domiciled in the UK. Yeah I know 3.9 million. Say: I’ve served. Your shot.

    If they refuse to reciprocate for the 0.9 million UK citizens like myself they will have exposed themselves, for the evil, malignant people I believe them to be.

    It could be a wonderful negotiating ‘tradable’, but we should show that we, at least, put our citizens first. It is a real (not leftie imaginary) high moral ground that we should occupy.

    There are myriad other issues to play true hardball over.

  4. “irrationality of their emotionally based arguments.”

    So when a man tells a woman to calm down dear and stop being so emotional, Spud’s going to be going in to bat for the man is he? I’d quite fancy the sidelining of emotional based political argument, thats the Left pretty much done for as a starter.

  5. “Of course, I know such interviews are not representative,”

    Since there’s no link I haven’t read the post, but from that excerpt it’s quite easy to understand that Murphy was saying that the “people celebrating our leaving that television presenters have found to interview” are not representative of people who are celebrating the art 50 trigger.

    Unless you are hiding the rest of the piece?

  6. Well, meiac, I suppose Spud could be pointing out the blindingly fucking obvious. That no individual’s opinions can be taken as representative of other individuals’ opinions. Because we all are, indeed, individuals. But as Spud is not known for straying into the territory of the blindingly fucking obvious, who can tell?

  7. bilbaoboy – I’d be up for letting the Euros stay, but only the sexy European girls should get a free pass.

    The men would have to pass a Krypton Factor style selection process of potential Britishness including being able to recognise silhouettes of Bully the Bull and Dusty Bin, a blind tasting session where they show their ability to discern between Daddies and HP sauce, and a blood test to prove they’ve never been to Keith Vaz’s flat.

  8. “From that excerpt it’s quite easy to understand that Murphy was saying that the “people celebrating our leaving that television presenters have found to interview” are not representative of people who are celebrating the art 50 trigger.”

    That may or may not be true, but its also true that he dismisses the arguments of those who have been interviewed as irrational and emotionally based. Which is ironic as the Remain camp have been having what can only be described as an emotional meltdown ever since the vote. Calm rational argument has been notable by its absence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g

    As ever, projection by the Left.

  9. I think Tim Farron has the look of Frank Sidebottom about him, though obviously doesn’t have his way with words,

  10. Have any of you thought for a moment about the practical aspects here? We’re not going to deport people in tens of thousands. We’re not going to send anyone anywhere at all.

    If we’re not deporting the million or two EU migrants already here, then we’ll only be talking about the small numbers who’ll want to come in future and aren’t already here. Those won’t matter, so we’ll have the same right of free movement as now.

  11. I’ve found their reaction to the art 50 letter amusing.

    On one hand we are “going to hurt” and will “regret it”.

    On the other hand any suggestion we might change how we provide security to the EU is ‘blackmail’* and beyond the pale, cannot be used in negotiations blah blah blah….

    Who wants their cake and to eat it now?

    Pull those troops out of Estonia and tell them good luck with the Russians.

    *i always thought blackmail was like having a picture of Junker balls deep in a Thai ladyboy and using that as leverage.

  12. Dave said:
    “If we’re not deporting the million or two EU migrants already here, then we’ll only be talking about the small numbers who’ll want to come in future and aren’t already here.”

    Over a quarter of a million new EU immigrants every year. Are they “small numbers”?

  13. It seems to only be the Lefties like that SNP lady that think the government should have a contingency plan for deporting EU nationals if no agreement is reached.

  14. If anyone has struggled to understand Brexit, as I know many of us have, Murphy has produced a helpful Venn Diagram which cuts through the mist. I recommend it to those of you who are, like me, a little thick.

  15. Of course, I know such interviews are not representative

    Translation: My phone hasn’t rung for at least a week.

  16. bilbaoboy – I believe I did try to warn you about Keith Vaz’s Pink Windmill.

  17. bilbaoboy: exactly what I’d do. Zero import tarrifs on everything, ball’s now in your court EU. Grant Indefinite Leave To Remain* to all currently resident EUers, another ball in your court, EU.

    *Exactly the same as any other foreigner, can be upgraded to citizenship after 5 years, lose it if you stay out of the country for more than 2 years continuously.

  18. Where, where are those Venn Diagrams? I’ve just been over the wire but couldn’t see them.

    I did spot that he doesn’t approve of the Royal Family and the deferment they receive. Perhaps he believes that the Windsors’ own Ekatarinburg experience has only been deferred pending the curageous revolution.

  19. I did spot that he doesn’t approve of the Royal Family and the deferment they receive.

    He was deferring to the point of unctuous fawning at the SNP last week. I suppose Brenda cannot dish out peerages? At least not directly.

  20. The Fat One musing on other people’s “absurd beliefs”. The man wrote publicly that he believed HMRC is part of a conspiracy to evade tax.

  21. — “Of course, I know such interviews are not representative”

    I recall, back in the day, when joining the Euro was actively being discussed, the BBC made a programme which purported to address popular objections through the prism of a select group of gor-blimey salt-of-the-earth-type working class, whose dimly-grasped arguments actually amounted to little more than ‘our fathers and grand-fathers fought for the pound.’

    Sure enough, in meetings with “experts”, such silly (“but understandable”) concerns were quickly soothed away and the clear benefits of the Euro extolled.

    Cut to North Korean-style scenes of self-denunciation and declarations of support for the Euro.

    Pure propaganda.

    Not once were the actual, profound and overwhelming objections to the Euro even mentioned.

    So no, if he’s talking about the BBC any such interviews are nothing more than hatchet-jobs which will never present or represent the rational leave argument.

  22. I’m sure the Beeb interviewed many Remoaners, but had to cut the footage due to weeping, wailing and widespread incontinence…

  23. Spud wants logic? How about: the only sectors where we have an export surplus with the EU, aerospace, rough diamonds, pharmaceuticals, and services have external tariffs of 0%, 0%, 3% and 0%, and our surplus in pharma is about 60m a month. We stand to lose nothing by being outside the EU, so why pay 1% of GDP for the privilege of membership?

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