There’s an answer here Love

When will sport stop treating women as a joke?
Barbara Ellen

About when as many people want to watch women’s sport as do men’s.

It’s a market, with costs and revenues and all that….

30 comments on “There’s an answer here Love

  1. Women should play men. After all, they are equal in all respects and gender is a social construct. We can start with the England Ladies XV getting comprehensively battered* by Redruth Fifths, and continue until morale improves.

    *They might be quicker out wide (not necessarily if Redruth Fifths have a couple of fifteen year old lads on the wing) but they’d better pray they never get tackled. And if they knock on… oh dear.

  2. “The book also deals with the issue of female prize money. When Armitstead became world champion in 2015, she won £2,000, while the men’s prize stood at £20,000. Armitstead just professes herself pleased that the prize money is now equal.”

    Not for Jason Kenny it isn’t; at least not sponsorship funding. Because his pretty wife cleans up in that regard whilst he picks up the scraps; that’s sexism that is and needs to change!!!

  3. Recall that the Australians Womens football team, touted at the time a s genuine medal prospect at the last Olympics (they didn’t win one mind you) had a warm up game agains the under 15 side from one of the local Australian league teams (hint, that’s about Div 2-3 level, maybe), and they lost about 12-0.

  4. Funny how they want equality of pay with men but not equality of pay among women. Then, hierarchies based on ability suddenly become necessary and just.

  5. There is no excuse for watching women’s sport apart from a species of soft porn. And good healthy fun for the girls still in school.

    The idea that anyone should be forced to pay for a bunch of tattooed lesbians to run, slowly, across a muddy paddock while fumbling with a ball they can hardly hold and definitely cannot pass, is bizarre.

    Leave it to the market. They may be a market for watching embittered heifers pretending they are top level sportsmen. But I doubt it.

  6. Because you’ve already, deliberately created a second class.

    The point of women’s sport was to allow women to compete with each other, which is a reasonable competition, because they’ll get crushed by the best men. See also: disabled athletes, seniors competitions, children’s competitions.

    Sports people in general can just fuck off with their entitlement. I know people who do jobs because playing the french horn, singing in a band or writing their own video games doesn’t pay the bills. They’d love to do them all day, but can’t.

  7. I bet a team made up of Tim Worstall blog commenters (in any sport) would lose to any “professional” women’s team.

    But yes, no man wants to watch women’s sport except perhaps the players’ dads or husbands.

  8. How to drive away opportunities for women to participate in sport – shame sports organizations into outlaying “equal pay” not matched by revenues. These people are idiots.

  9. Procrustean, my guess is that the issue there is that they don’t actually give a fuck about the sport or the sportswomen, they just see an opportunity to cause trouble. The same people are the ones who organise boycotts of shops they never visit anyway, such as Tesco.

  10. John – “I bet a team made up of Tim Worstall blog commenters (in any sport) would lose to any “professional” women’s team.”

    I am willing to bet that a Rugby 7s match would be a pretty close thing.

  11. “Ed Snack

    Recall that the Australians Womens football team, touted at the time a s genuine medal prospect at the last Olympics (they didn’t win one mind you) had a warm up game agains the under 15 side from one of the local Australian league teams (hint, that’s about Div 2-3 level, maybe), and they lost about 12-0.”

    This is the sort of ‘fake news’ that must be stamped out. It was an U16 team (the Newcastle Jets) and only 7-0.

  12. “John

    I bet a team made up of Tim Worstall blog commenters (in any sport) would lose to any “professional” women’s team”

    So what?

    That’s like trying to make something out of 6ft tall women being taller than 5ft 10 men.

  13. Procrustes,

    Women don’t give a fuck about sport. As a modern Dad, I’ve taken a view of letting my girls excel at whatever they want. If they want to tinker with a Raspberry Pi, play football or whatever.

    And this ‘girls doing sport’ thing is a massive, massive error. there was some hoo hah about dancing being classed as school sport, but that’s what girls like, and does the job of keeping them fit. Or they like going for a swim or a bike ride. But not competitively.

  14. ‘When will sport stop treating women as a joke?’

    When you stop with the reification fallacies.

  15. Hell “womens” sports will be irrelevant pretty soon, when all the trannies step in…

  16. I’ve got a huge interest in lesbian football, lesbian cricket and lesbian golf etc etc. What’s not to like?

  17. @Flubber

    +1. I genuinely can’t understand why some male tennis player in the second 500 worldwide hasn’t ‘self-defined’ as a woman, donned a pair of frilly knickers and won every Women’s Grand Slam tournament (and several million dollars). Really, what’s stopping this from happening?

  18. @Chris Miller/Flubber

    My money is on Nick Krygios (sp.?).

    I suspect his prior antics on court are laying the grounds for a “Look how unhappy I was in my old sex, now I’m the person I always knew I could be!” defence. A defence made seconds after he’s slipped into a tennis skirt and smashed the Williams sisters all over Centre court without conceding a point.

  19. Caster Semenya got there first. His name gave it away though. An anagram of ‘yes a secret man’.

  20. Nick Kyrgios is doing very well in the men’s game (currently 16th in the world). But if you’re ranked 716th man in the world, you’ll struggle to make enough money to pay your travelling expenses on the world tour, so the temptation to ‘come out’ as a woman must be far stronger.

  21. If women’s sport struggles for coverage it’s not because of sexism – it’s because you can’t make people care

    Women’s sport’s most basic problem when it comes to media coverage is that you can’t force people to care. It’s the same problem with all areas of sport that don’t get as much attention as they would like. You can’t make people care about the League of Ireland, you can’t make them care about the Paralympics. People will engage or they won’t and all the marketing and media backing in the world will lead only so many horses to water.

    From time to time a media student or a lobby group will go through the day’s newspapers and hold up, as proof of bias, the fact that only, say, 13 per cent of the articles that day pertained to women’s sport. You always feel like ringing them up and asking what they think we missed. Or what we should have dropped.

    Eamonn Ryan, manager/guru/sensée of that great Cork [women’s football] team, knows the complexities of this better than anyone. When he’s asked if he thinks his team have got the recognition they’re due over the years, his answer is always no; but not for the reasons you might think.

    The support base for his team is overwhelmingly male. Some of it is dads with daughters, some of it is clubmen, some of it is that cussed type of Cork fan who happily toddles along anywhere to see the red flag fly.

    But – and he has no simple explanation for this – women don’t generally come out to support them. Certainly not in the numbers that men do.

  22. “I bet a team made up of Tim Worstall blog commenters (in any sport) would lose to any “professional” women’s team.”

    I’d hazard a guess that a team of random village/club cricketers of not too old an age (ie mainly below 40 but maybe a few above) would give a ‘pro’ womans cricket team a good game and maybe beat them regularly. The women who play for England (ie the very best women in the land) can’t even compete week in week out with amateur ECB Premier League Club cricketers, none of the England squad play in male teams, which you’d have thought they would if they were competitive, it would improve their game. Mainly I suspect because the level at which they would be able to compete would be so low as to be embarrassing. Don’t forget male Test players have turned out for their old club sides in the past when short of a game, and not set the world alight.

    It really is embarrassing the way that female sport is being ‘pushed’ by the media and the sports authorities, the standard of play is so low. As a player I’d be embarrassed to have the media spotlight put on me, to be on the TV etc, when there are thousands of men all over the country playing the same sport on amateur recreation grounds to the same or higher level than I could, but the only reason I was being lauded for achieving that standard was because of my genitals.

  23. 123 – “I’ve got a huge interest in lesbian football, lesbian cricket and lesbian golf etc etc. What’s not to like?”

    This is one of those theory-meets-reality things. In theory I would be willing to watch lesbians play sport. But in reality, no thank you. Lesbians are great in the movies when they are played by people like Portia de Rossi. They are less fun in reality when they look like Ellen de Generis.

    So the only sport on that list worth watching would be lesbian golf. But only because of all the hot Korean and Japanese female golfers out there. Especially if they could do it in, you know, a school girl uniform or something. But otherwise, no.

  24. I’m noticing more and more, especially on the beeb, stories about ‘ England beat Ireland ‘ or whatever with no other context and when you follow the link, its about a womens game. It’s as if they can’t be honest cos no one would read the story if they were.

  25. In passing, Instapundit linked to this story earlier:

    https://www.t-nation.com/powerful-words/death-of-womens-bodybuilding

    I recommend it. Especially for those that are strong and secure in their heterosexuality. For the rest of you, well, it even has me questioning my sexual orientation.

    What is interesting is that the women who do this despise the men who admire it in a sexual way. Which I guess goes to prove how deeply embedded heteronormativity is. We all know and want it even if we are pretending otherwise.

    So the take-away is clearly steer clear of women on steroids and don’t let your daughters play sport beyond the usual foxy boxing and the like.

  26. I’m noticing more and more, especially on the beeb, stories about ‘ England beat Ireland ‘ or whatever with no other context and when you follow the link, its about a womens game. It’s as if they can’t be honest cos no one would read the story if they were.

    This drives me fucking nuts.

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